These are some big dogs!

[grazefull1]

oooooh ok know i under stand lol but all the type must have the massive body type feature somewhat rite?

 

[grazefull1]

oooooh ok know i under stand lol but all the type must have the massive body type feature somewhat rite?

oooooh ok now i under stand lol but all the type must have the massive body n head type feature somewhat rite?

 

[joshuagough]

Those tend to be the one's who win in show's and most breeders choose to mate, I've spent a lot of time studying EM's and if you look back at many of the champion lines & older "subjects" in the EM world more times than not they have true mass throughout, with a large majority showing a decent amount of type (wrinkles).

oooooh ok now i under stand lol but all the type must have the massive body n head type feature somewhat rite?

 

[grazefull1]

do u have oic of these true old English mastiff champions from the good old days(black n white 50s-80s cus i ould like to c these true EM in both usa u european r others ?

 

[grazefull1]

r u saying there is a show line EM n somewhat working line EM like the german shepherd

 

[Smokeycat]

From what I have been able to find out I think the different types are like the Neos. Some breeders believe that more wrinkles is closer to the correct standard than other breeders do. To me the wrinkle amount seem to be based on personal preference rather than a direct result of the breed standard.

 

[grazefull1]

but what does the standards say about wrinkles if any? i mean y would they want a EM to look more like a neo, isnt that what a neo is for lol

 

[grazefull1]

i though with standards u r suppose to know what a EM should clearly like look if they contuine with the wrinkles then u have a even heavier neo lol r EM breeders will be set so much with wrinkles them at some point they will start crossing neo's with EM just for the wrinkles r is this just just my worse nightmare lol:scared2:

 

[joshuagough]

What I spent a good amount of time doing was searching the AKC website, which you can get a membership to, or if you have a registered dog thru them you get some of the options with the registration for free. Then search best in breed and review the lines of past champs (genealogy) back as far as you can, I spend hours upon hours.. pretty neat what you can find.

On the import side it can be a little more difficult but I have tons of pics of great import examples which mirror the "old style EM" I just use the world "true" because there are very EM's shown in the US that match up IMO.

do u have oic of these true old English mastiff champions from the good old days(black n white 50s-80s cus i ould like to c these true EM in both usa u european r others ?

 

[joshuagough]

 

[joshuagough]

 

[joshuagough]

Like I said I've got thousands because once my two grow up I will be purchasing import only more than likely.. and they will come from Alberts kennel cause he is the greatest EVER.. period (in my book that is)

 

[joshuagough]

Some of Albert I was sent.. as I said he is my dream EM. You will hear there's nothing that matches perfection but then you see him and I couldn't disagree more with that thought He has a good bit of type as you'll notice also.

 

[joshuagough]

Sounds like your wanting the EM to look like a CC, tight skinned and that's not how they should look.

There are also Neo's with little "type".. and the people who breed them fuss over this also.

i though with standards u r suppose to know what a EM should clearly like look if they contuine with the wrinkles then u have a even heavier neo lol r EM breeders will be set so much with wrinkles them at some point they will start crossing neo's with EM just for the wrinkles r is this just just my worse nightmare lol:scared2:

 

[grazefull1]

Sounds like your wanting the EM to look like a CC, tight skinned and that's not how they should look.

There are also Neo's with little "type".. and the people who breed them fuss over this also.

well thats y your here to tell me lol as i said i know nothing about EM n may have been wrong on skin type of EM but i would like to c a EM n not a NEO n that maybe where the fight is lol

hmm i just maybe wrong but that y i like to learn but i just cant help worrying about the issues that can with HUGE SIZE this whole thing started because of health issue so i didnt mean to afend the breed its just me lol im just not used to the size factor

 

[joshuagough]

None of the EM's posted in this thread that I saw come close to looking like a Neo, they have pretty major differences in many areas. They are both giant breed dogs but comparing the amount of type (wrinkles) between the two is apples & oranges.

A "huge dog" doesn't equate to health issues in either of the two, poor breeding habits & poor genetic make up.. equates to health issues. A big problem with Neo's is the shorter snout then the addition of the heavily type'd lines.. which creates breathing issues (same deal with the English bulldog). That's not as common with the EM's due to the longer snout.

No offense taking, we all started new at some point.. the only way to learn is to ask & study. Ready to add a EM to your line up? I've got a little girl I'll give you ?!?!:scared2just kidding)..

well thats y your here to tell me lol as i said i know nothing about EM n may have been wrong on skin type of EM but i would like to c a EM n not a NEO n that maybe where the fight is lol

hmm i just maybe wrong but that y i like to learn but i just cant help worrying about the issues that can with HUGE SIZE this whole thing started because of health issue so i didnt mean to afend the breed its just me lol im just not used to the size factor

 

[grazefull1]

None of the EM's posted in this thread that I saw come close to looking like a Neo, they have pretty major differences in many areas. They are both giant breed dogs but comparing the amount of type (wrinkles) between the two is apples & oranges.

A "huge dog" doesn't equate to health issues in either of the two, poor breeding habits & poor genetic make up.. equates to health issues. A big problem with Neo's is the shorter snout then the addition of the heavily type'd lines.. which creates breathing issues (same deal with the English bulldog). That's not as common with the EM's due to the longer snout.

No offense taking, we all started new at some point.. the only way to learn is to ask & study. Ready to add a EM to your line up? I've got a little girl I'll give you ?!?!:scared2just kidding)..

lol im not ready big baby yet but soon lol ok so there also type of wrinkle place n im guesing theres a limit also but if let hold your girl for a few wks than my studies will b more for-fulled lol

 

[ravendarat]

I have a couple Rockport girls, they pull us around and love walks. I have asked many breeders directly about MY girls and have gotten very nice comments. My girls have been health tested, and overall I am very happy

For the record Dave is the breeder I got my dog through and his girls are big but they aren't overweight in my opinion and move very well. Over all they are great looking dogs, hence why I chose Dave and was happy when he decided to sell to me. And Dave did get all the health testing done on the puppies he sold and notified me of all the results which was great, no surprises. After all said and done I couldnt be happier with Mufasa. I guess my point is that as someone else said, how you care for the dogs after you get them has a TON to do with they way they turn out, not just genetics. Daves girls could have turned into the same style as those on the Rockport site but instead turned out more like what many of us consider ideal looking because he was self aware enough to feed the dogs properly and exercise them consistently

 

[grazefull1]

For the record Dave is the breeder I got my dog through and his girls are big but they aren't overweight in my opinion and move very well. Over all they are great looking dogs, hence why I chose Dave and was happy when he decided to sell to me. And Dave did get all the health testing done on the puppies he sold and notified me of all the results which was great, no surprises. After all said and done I couldnt be happier with Mufasa. I guess my point is that as someone else said, how you care for the dogs after you get them has a TON to do with they way they turn out, not just genetics. Daves girls could have turned into the same style as those on the Rockport site but instead turned out more like what many of us consider ideal looking because he was self aware enough to feed the dogs properly and exercise them consistently

so ture lol i guess its matter what u do with your dog but its also helps to have puppies that come from healthy parents that were tested for everything

 

[ravendarat]

For sure genetics matter, I just hate when people assume that since the parents look good that your dog is automatically be an axing specimen with out you doing the nessasary work and on the flip side if the parents were over weight than your doomed to have a porker. I think the care after they leave mom is way more of a factor in these catagories