Bite force (flame wars?)

[masteneo]

Some people consider the name Game Dog as ok and correct. I do not see it that way. I am a Working Breed mastiff owner. My hate towards dog fighters runs deep and spent a few days in jail for showing a dog fighter how it felt, It was worth every day and every broken knuckle.

But Yes I believe a Kangle type dog would have a very powerful bite do to it's primitive nature and the nature in which it must thrive.

hey mike , i live in south east texas, home of Micheal Vick and company. We see it all the time , folks love to get into the dog fighting thing here. Personally, i have far more interest in bite force as its got more anatomical and genetic relations than snarling fire breathing dogs.So this thread has to stay on Bite force. Man i swear i just about want to find a professor and get down to the nuts and bolts of this. it really has me intrigued.

 

[DMikeM]

Unless someone actually goes out and hand picks creame of the crop dogs and does a real up to date test we will be guessing.

 

[chuckorlando]

You dont need cream of the crop for an avg.If you tested mine, AB, Dogman, and Tiggers filas you would have a good aavg for the breed

 

[DMikeM]

True for the averages but then the APBT owners would say but my dog has been bite training for x years and will be far more powerfull than x persons couch APBT or your TM, Fila and so on.
My pits were fierce biters but I knew my Doberman was stronger and now my RottChows with the head and jaw shape just blow both those breeds out the door. Dozer broke a mans ankle when he caught the trespasser in our yard, but my pit Pepsi had the same mans arm and only tore his flesh and muscle, maybe she was too small to get a good bite or maybe too old to do better. Either way dogs save the day.

 

[chuckorlando]

Good job

 

[joshuagough]

What does it matter what dog/breed bites with the most force?

I guess folks like to know out of curiousity but I'm not seeing the point in this? Labs & Goldens are used because they have soft mouth w/birds but I'm not seeing the practiciality in the oppisite side of the conv.

 

[chuckorlando]

It really dont matter unless your into something that needs a bite. Like hogs or something. It dont matter to me at all. She bites hard enough to make you know you got hit

 

[dogman#1]

BTW I happen to know of a black lab who won the 2010 georgia hardest hit competition...

 

[masteneo]

wow, thats kinda wild, a lab. it matters when you talk about hog dogs and others that deal with wildlife. you want a dog that you have a good idea of what kinda force they will apply to the game and will it utterly destroy the game. Some game you dont care so much about distruction others it means the game is useless.

 

[DMikeM]

It matters for 2 reasons. Curiosity and the fact that many of these dogs are protection breeds. If you have a soft mouth dog that bites down on a heavy jacketed arm it may mean nothing to the body that arm is attached to. You have a dog that throws down 500+ bite force that jacket isn't going to mean squat. But curiosity wins out in this discussion. Maybe bragging rights too. My mastiff bites harder than your poodldoodle, nananaa!

 

[allsierra123]

Lol bite force don't matter much on a hog. Not nearly as much as the grit to hold on no matter what. As far as how soft a bird dogs bite is it is in the training. I have pits that could retrieve a bird. So both sides are just wondering for fun.

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[Batz]

[video=youtube_share;2P5bFr3B6qs]http://youtu.be/2P5bFr3B6qs[/video]

 

[chuckorlando]

Your right cause they use alot of pitts and cur dogs for hogs. And man can they put a hog down in a hurry

Lol bite force don't matter much on a hog. Not nearly as much as the grit to hold on no matter what. As far as how soft a bird dogs bite is it is in the training. I have pits that could retrieve a bird. So both sides are just wondering for fun.

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[DMikeM]

@Batz, great video. Always been a fan of the DA, such a missunderstood breed.

 

[joshuagough]

Most of the hog hunts end with someone cutting the hogs throat or stabbing it in the jugular vain, the dogs I see hold the hog at bay.. there's no reason for force with that, the pack surrounds the hog.

Also most of the dogs I've seen used are hound typed along with some spaniels, a 300lb hog with 2 inch tusk aint no joke. There aint no way I'd let my dog in a pack.. or not, mess with a wild hog. Publix or Winn-Dixie is a lot less messy

 

[YouKnowMeNot]

The proof I was referring to was the outlandish claims for 700+lbs of biting force or even the 1250lbs of biting force that I came across once... is it possible, eh, I guess but how can anyone take that seriously w/o proof. NG did it and they had proof of it using instruments made to measure pressure, what instrument of measurements are those kangal people using? a rope, a bone or do they have that expensive peice of machinery as well. You see it also in the "traditional, non show APBT crowd" (is that acceptable?) with the 1000lbs of force 40lb pittie....yea, I dont believe it either.

What proof does NG have?

 

[dogman#1]

umm, really? You quoted me with the answer to your question right in there..." using instruments made to measure pressure". I dont know how else I can say it. Oh, they also had cameras recording the entire thing... so video footage as well as the instrument used to measure pressure (when the dog bites down)... you cant ask for better proof than that.

 

[chuckorlando]

Most of the hog hunts end with someone cutting the hogs throat or stabbing it in the jugular vain, the dogs I see hold the hog at bay.. there's no reason for force with that, the pack surrounds the hog.

Also most of the dogs I've seen used are hound typed along with some spaniels, a 300lb hog with 2 inch tusk aint no joke. There aint no way I'd let my dog in a pack.. or not, mess with a wild hog. Publix or Winn-Dixie is a lot less messy

Well down here you have bay dogs and catch dogs. The bay dog holds the hog and the catch dog takes it down, then the bay's jump in. It's not un common for a catch dog to grab their snout and flip the hog. You aint just running through the swamp here so often times the dogs do all the work

 

[allsierra123]

Yeah chuck that's how we always did it. Although I have a hunch filas could bay and catch.

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[Duetsche_Doggen]

Yeah chuck that's how we always did it. Although I have a hunch filas could bay and catch.

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That would be cool to see.