Bite force (flame wars?)

[allsierra123]

I have often wondered that myself how far they will take it.

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[chuckorlando]

My belief is a Fila will ramp to the level needed. They were breed to capture and hold escaped slaves among other things. You dont want dead slaves. I believe a fila will try to hold you likely after it's taken you down. Then get as tough as the offender wants to get. Be it barking, a nip to make you keep your hand still, or an attack because your intent on further aggression

 

[allsierra123]

I guess we need some volunteers.

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[DMikeM]

I think any type mastiff will take it to the level needed to complete the task. That is if they are the type to attack in the first place.

 

[NYDDB]

My belief is a Fila will ramp to the level needed. They were breed to capture and hold escaped slaves among other things. You dont want dead slaves. I believe a fila will try to hold you likely after it's taken you down. Then get as tough as the offender wants to get. Be it barking, a nip to make you keep your hand still, or an attack because your intent on further aggression

That makes a lot of sense...

 

[bearlion]

Lmoa!!!!!!

 

[chuckorlando]

Lmoa!!!!!!

Thats not only insightful but well thought out as well. I'm sure we are all much further along in this conversation now

 

[allsierra123]

It makes sense. But I have heard the argument brazilians treated there slaves worse than Americans did. So they likely didn't care how mauled they were.

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[YouKnowMeNot]

I honestly would think a pit is stronger than a GSD. Depending on what lines the pit is coming from. I've seen some very short, stocky pits that I would actually prefer to be bitten by a GSD than those pits.

The GSD has more wolf blood than the pit. More than any other dog for that matter (except wolfdogs ofc).

A lot of people seem to be surprised that the pit's bite force is so low. What makes the pit a fighter is not the bite force. APBT are game dogs and they fight to death. Much like Kangals and CAOs. Exceptions from other breeds always exist, but generally these are the 3 breeds considered as "dominating". Which is why people don't bother with bite force researches. It simply doesn't matter. Your dog can snap bones and that's all great and dandy. So can the hyenas. But the lion still kicks their ass 10v1. His biggest weapon is not his fangs or claws, but the heart of a gladiator.

Someone said kangal owners talk about their dogs being this and that, but they have no proof. What do you want proof for? I'm not a kangal owner but I've been around kangals and CAOs my entire life. What kind of dogs did they send to Africa to help the farmers fight off the cheetahs? If that's not proof of the dog's worth, type "kangal vs tiger/lion" on youtube. It's not a fight (thank god) but it still shows you just how big balls this dog has to take food from the tiger's mouth. Or you can always search in the filthy bottoms of the internet for dogfighting videos to see how the kangal performs against other dogs and animals. Here's a hint from me. There is plenty of proof, you just need to search for it with an open mind. These dogs are not like mastiffs (although they ARE mastiffs... in a way). They are much more wilder and independent. They'll still love you and protect you, but they won't need your attenttion and presence as another mastiff would. They know they have a job and they only care about doing it. They can be family pets, but it's not what they were bred for. If a bear charges at me and I have the right to choose 1 dog to protect me, it's going to be a Kangal or CAO. No doubt.

 

[DMikeM]

YouKnowMeNot, I have seen the video of the Kangals in the big cat enclosures and I agree that they are just about the ballsiest dog out there and obviously built for power as well as defense with that specialized coat. I appreciate your support in my statement about them but I take slight issue. I hate the Title "Game Dog" as in my mind it always implies fighting dogs not "Working" dogs, and second I did not start this post to bring up fighting and temperament it is just about raw biting force. I would request that you and others please keep this on topic or I will ask to have the thread closed.

 

[Ben Curtis]

I've witnessed a west highland terrier take down a very impressive German Sheppard. The Westy was way to fast for the Sheppard, and just kept nipping at it's legs. Somehow the Sheppard had found it's way into where the westy was and got more than he barganed for. When we got to the dogs the white westy was covered in blood, and we assumed it was his, but he did not have a scratch on him.

To the point YouKnowMeNot was making. Bite force does not mean very much. It is the fight in the dog, and it's ability to perform the tasks that it is charged to do. That westy was fearless. My Corso is a big baby. If you put the westy's personality in a mastiff's body then you would have a scary dog, but who would want that. I think my mastiff is perfect the way he is, and I choose not to play tug, because I do not want to loose.

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YouKnowMeNot, I have seen the video of the Kangals in the big cat enclosures and I agree that they are just about the ballsiest dog out there and obviously built for power as well as defense with that specialized coat. I appreciate your support in my statement about them but I take slight issue. I hate the Title "Game Dog" as in my mind it always implies fighting dogs not "Working" dogs, and second I did not start this post to bring up fighting and temperament it is just about raw biting force. I would request that you and others please keep this on topic or I will ask to have the thread closed.

Saw your post after posting mine. I was a bit off topic too... my bad.

 

[Ben Curtis]

YouKnowMeNot, I have seen the video of the Kangals in the big cat enclosures and I agree that they are just about the ballsiest dog out there and obviously built for power as well as defense with that specialized coat. I appreciate your support in my statement about them but I take slight issue. I hate the Title "Game Dog" as in my mind it always implies fighting dogs not "Working" dogs, and second I did not start this post to bring up fighting and temperament it is just about raw biting force. I would request that you and others please keep this on topic or I will ask to have the thread closed.

Saw your post after posting mine. I was a bit off topic too... my bad.

 

[YouKnowMeNot]

YouKnowMeNot, I have seen the video of the Kangals in the big cat enclosures and I agree that they are just about the ballsiest dog out there and obviously built for power as well as defense with that specialized coat. I appreciate your support in my statement about them but I take slight issue. I hate the Title "Game Dog" as in my mind it always implies fighting dogs not "Working" dogs, and second I did not start this post to bring up fighting and temperament it is just about raw biting force. I would request that you and others please keep this on topic or I will ask to have the thread closed.

Thats why I asked what he wants proof for. If we are strictly talking about bite force - there are only speculations on the internet.

Thanks for the correction, english is not my main language. I saw them referred to as game dogs so I sticked to it. Working dogs seems way too broad for what I meant.

 

[DMikeM]

Some people consider the name Game Dog as ok and correct. I do not see it that way. I am a Working Breed mastiff owner. My hate towards dog fighters runs deep and spent a few days in jail for showing a dog fighter how it felt, It was worth every day and every broken knuckle.

But Yes I believe a Kangle type dog would have a very powerful bite do to it's primitive nature and the nature in which it must thrive.

 

[allsierra123]

Depends how you look at it. Mastiffs were originally game keepers dogs so that would be the correct term in today's world there are very few of them that are used for working game or livestock. But as far as "game bred" pits are concerned that is what they are like it or not. Be it fighters or catch dogs that's there heritage. No since getting riled about it. The history of the domestic dog is often violent and bloodied. Much like humans. Sad to say neither has come very far.

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[DMikeM]

Depends how you look at it. Mastiffs were originally game keepers dogs so that would be the correct term in today's world there are very few of them that are used for working game or livestock. But as far as "game bred" pits are concerned that is what they are like it or not. Be it fighters or catch dogs that's there heritage. No since getting riled about it. The history of the domestic dog is often violent and bloodied. Much like humans. Sad to say neither has come very far.

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I am more than fully aware of that but do not want to spark up a conversation about dog fighting. Any talk about it feeds the deed and brings up my emotions. I would hate to lose face or friend over a conversation gone in the wrong direction.

 

[allsierra123]

I agree its not very prudent. I usually can't bring up catch dog because some activists get upset about how violent and bloody that is. I will say atleast for the most part mastiffs are not adept as fighting dogs so we don't have much of that element to contend with. Not like the pit people have.

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[dogman#1]

The proof I was referring to was the outlandish claims for 700+lbs of biting force or even the 1250lbs of biting force that I came across once... is it possible, eh, I guess but how can anyone take that seriously w/o proof. NG did it and they had proof of it using instruments made to measure pressure, what instrument of measurements are those kangal people using? a rope, a bone or do they have that expensive peice of machinery as well. You see it also in the "traditional, non show APBT crowd" (is that acceptable?) with the 1000lbs of force 40lb pittie....yea, I dont believe it either.

 

[cwayaustx]

My dads dog bites harder than your dads dog

 

[dogman#1]

lol, probably since my dad doesnt "own" a dog per say but feeds a few stray "sato" dogs in PR. lol