Bite force (flame wars?)

[ruthcatrin]

Bahaha yeah I think I'd have to change my drawers if I saw Cane aggressively running towards me. Lol!!

Pretty much. I also have to say that by the time you start talking the mastiff breeds in general I'm not sure if the differences in bite strength really matter, you'd have crushed bones regardless....

 

[raechiemay]

And there's a chihuahua on here. They are SO fierce.

 

[northernmastiff]

Not sure about the bite force of dogs... but hyenas, yeah-- I watch a lot of Nat Geo as well. Not only do these beasts have an incredible bite force, but they actually start eating their prey while it's still alive (unlike lions who strangle their prey before eating.) It's really wild...

(Sorry to slip off-topic a bit)

And if you haven't seen their jaws, have you seen their reproduction...that was a nature documentary that I almost turned off. LOL. Sorry, that was way off topic.

There was an interesting video on it and I think it said that the shorter/longer muzzle was not a deciding factor and breeds with longer muzzles usually had a stronger bite. Not sure though. Have to find that thread again.

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And there's a chihuahua on here. They are SO fierce.

People often underestimate the power of small breeds. I had a Pomeranian bite through my cheek and my neighbour's chihuahua was the only dog that the kids were scared of in the neighbourhood. He used to go fishing with her (she was first nations so they fished with nets) and would come home covered in fish gore. Then the evil little thing would wander the neighbourhood looking for kids to bite. He was always a little crazed...white fur stained brownish red from fish blood, fish gore stuck in his fur and those huge ears, eyes bloodshot and bulging...he looked possessed half the time and even worse during the salmon runs. LOL. Ahh, the neighbours I had growing up.

 

[northernmastiff]

And there's a chihuahua on here. They are SO fierce.

People often underestimate the power of small breeds. I had a Pomeranian bite through my cheek and my neighbour's chihuahua was the only dog that the kids were scared of in the neighbourhood. He used to go fishing with her (she was first nations so they fished with nets and would always pull a lot of fish that this little monster would feast on) and would come home covered in fish gore. Then the evil little thing would wander the neighbourhood looking for kids to bite. He was always a little crazed...white fur stained brownish red from fish blood, fish gore stuck in his fur and those huge ears, eyes bloodshot and bulging...he looked possessed half the time and even worse during the salmon runs. LOL. Ahh, the neighbours I had growing up.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Chi's can be nasty little buggers....I've known a couple well trained ones, but I've known several who were terrors, and no, I'd not want one biting me, lack of bite strength or not!

 

[raechiemay]

I'd like to consider most terriers = terrors. Especially my little yorkie mix. I imagine if she really wanted to bite someone she may cause at least some damage. Lol.

 

[Cody]

And there's a chihuahua on here. They are SO fierce.

One of the girls I work with just had a chi bite through her finger, nasty lil guys.

 

[ruby55]

I would think a Bullmastiff or DDB would have more bite power than an EM, just based on musculature around the jaw...but what do I know?

I did know about the bite power of Hyenas...I used to watch a lot of Nat Geo shows.

Speaking for the bulls & personal experience, their bite is not strong at all. They weren't bred/created to bite. And I can pry any of their mouths open, no matter what they have. Although part of that might be inhibition & submissiveness. But I've never known any of my friends with BM's to comment on their bite.

 

[AKBull]

Speaking for the bulls & personal experience, their bite is not strong at all. They weren't bred/created to bite. And I can pry any of their mouths open, no matter what they have. Although part of that might be inhibition & submissiveness. But I've never known any of my friends with BM's to comment on their bite.

Ditto.
Seems to be the circumstances though. Tug of war is an interesting one. Most of the time I can take a rope from Junior, but when he becomes frustrated it's a different game. From a dog who has no real problems crushing a cow bone, to a dog that barely holds a rope in it's mouth. All seems to be mind set.

 

[dogman#1]

The problem with all those specs is that they all come from different sources.... the kangal people are always saying that their dogs are this and that but never have any real proof. when the study was conducted by NG they used the same meter for all the dogs and concluded that the shape, size of the head and jaws are directly responsible for the amount of force projected... so, dogs with a larger head will have a higher bite force. remember an APBTs head is not the biggest out there but it is very large for a 35-60lb dog so they have a nice bite force for their size. If I remember correctly the DDB is suppose to have the broadest head so maybe if they tested one of those but really, who cares? any dog with a decent bite force would put a hurting on someones bare body parts.

 

[chuckorlando]

I know Kona will drag her toy, me, and the recliner around the house if she's feeling fiesty on the pull rope. And thats with paws on bare laminate floor. I can always get the toy out of her mouth via the pressure point in the lower jaw though if I want what she has. Of coarse I would'nt suggest sticking your hand in a strange dogs mouth unless left with no choice. The motivation is diffrent from trusted owner doing this and a stranger being attacked doing this. I dont think it would work so well if the dog was trying to kill you

 

[masteneo]

you know guys, i had a weird kinda personal revelation into this topic the other day. I was hunting for indestructible dog toys for our Chloe. I read all the personal reviews each person had for there dog. A weird trend started occurring in all the responses. One would tell how there pup could destroy every toy brought home but this toy, next guy had same breed and recounted how said dog absolutely destroyed indestructible toy in an hour or two. This theme seemed to reoccur all over the web. It made me began to wonder about what is called " sample pool" in testing. This is how many of each breed they used and was there an average formed from that or was it just one dog . or only the strongest biter they could find in each breed. made me really began to wonder.....

 

[dogman#1]

guess it depends what it is and if the dog feels like destroying it or not. my fila wont even play tug with me at all. as soon as i touch the rope she lets it go but she will eat a cow femur in a few hours.

 

[DMikeM]

Cool I am glad to get so many responses to this post. I love interesting conversation, (without the elitist remarks).

The research I have done (minimal) has shown many of these dogs tested were ordinary house pets not trained and developed working dogs and the reason a Hyena has such a strong bite is because it has been chewing bones and leathery flesh and hides all of its life. Therefore developing those powerful jaw muscles every day of its existence. Our house dogs chew cornmeal grains with meat flavors cooked into a chewable nibble. For those that feed prey model and RMB you will see a more developed head, neck and musculature. Pit bulls just are not what people want to believe they are. They are a great dog that was bred to fight well, not crush another dog's head or leg in one mighty bite. They work over the opponent and eventually bleed it out. Wolves and Hyenas will crush necks, legs and skulls to make a kill. I bet the wolves they used in the study were domesticated or caged wolves not a wild animal.
The studies need to be revisited using developed dogs, dogs trained in pulling, guard work and dogs that eat like they were meant to eat. Like Kangals and TMs that live in near wild situations that primarily fend for themselves on a daily basis. I really don't think the Kurdish Goat herder has 50lb bags of kibble delivered every other day to feed his pack.
I have owned Pitt, Dobermans, Rott(mix) GSD, Chow(mix), Boerboel, and even Basset Hounds. The strongest bit would be Dozer the RottChow who actually bit a beef rib bone in half. But the strongest dog so far was my Basset; he could pull our 65 Chevy pickup truck up a 10% grade like it was nothing. But I don't have any idea of what his bit might have been.

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guess it depends what it is and if the dog feels like destroying it or not. my fila wont even play tug with me at all. as soon as i touch the rope she lets it go but she will eat a cow femur in a few hours.

That's the type of dog we need to use for a bite test.

 

[DMikeM]

guess it depends what it is and if the dog feels like destroying it or not. my fila wont even play tug with me at all. as soon as i touch the rope she lets it go but she will eat a cow femur in a few hours.

That's the type of dog we need to use for a bite test.

 

[allsierra123]

as far as tug of war lilah won't play. She will eat bones in nothing flat. I think the tug of war has a lot to do with will power and tenacity. I had a 50# pit that would give me a run for my money. She just would not let go other dogs may have more bite for but may not have the determination to hang on and throw there whole body into it.

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[Dan]

I was lucky enough to witness two african wild dog hunts and kills on safari in South Africa a couple of years ago.

They were much bigger than I had expected - and literally tore the prey to pieces almost instantly (several having grabbed ot at once).

We actually chased the hunt in a landrover and saw the whole thing - just amazing!

 

[chuckorlando]

Someone just needs to call myth busters. They seem to need some interesting myths to bust now a days

I've never had a dog that could be as violent on a pull rope. She can go longer than I can. Really she's the first dog that could out play me. Me and Budda would wrestle and you knew you won cause he would start licking your hand. Kona makes me stop. She just dont get wore out

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

The problem with all those specs is that they all come from different sources.... the kangal people are always saying that their dogs are this and that but never have any real proof. when the study was conducted by NG they used the same meter for all the dogs and concluded that the shape, size of the head and jaws are directly responsible for the amount of force projected... so, dogs with a larger head will have a higher bite force. remember an APBTs head is not the biggest out there but it is very large for a 35-60lb dog so they have a nice bite force for their size. If I remember correctly the DDB is suppose to have the broadest head so maybe if they tested one of those but really, who cares? any dog with a decent bite force would put a hurting on someones bare body parts.

Tell me about it....but there's one in every breed.....

Thor won't play Tug with me at all. Stone will however but I think because he is in the mouthy stage.

 

[NYDDB]

Just curious: some mastiffs are bred more for pinning and holding the offender, not so much for the bite attack. But for Filas, though, if they were to make contact with the evil stranger...what is the outcome? Would they pin the person, bite, or go full-on massacre?

I suppose I could google, but thought I would ask all you Fila folks.