Duetsche_Doggen
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Ohhhh......Gotcha Mary. I knew there were shades of grey in all standards but for the Corsi I had no idea there are 3 standards. Talk about confusing...
If its like my danes with importing that's for sure.
in order to get an accurate critique of a dog you need the right photo's. Side stacked, head profile side and front and front stacked image. It is hard to judge a dog off pet pictures . Also is best to wait until a dog is mature. I have seen great puppies that as adults fall to pieces...
That's where it all startsSo yeah, we don't really care, but since I have gotten him I have become obsessed with the breed.
Well we know how I feel about the Danes here in NA LOL! You will hear that Italy has the heads nailed and bodies are an issue and you will hear heads are an issue in the US but bodies are better. And various breeders will tell you one is easier to fix than the other. And you will hear temperament is an issue on both sides of the world. In the end no one is the corso police and can prevent someone from breeding their dogs as much as we would like to (and there are for sure some that I think most corso people would like fixed) all we can do is educate the buyers to know what to ask and look for.
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Ok, my opinion of course
Circles = Neo Influence
Square= Boxer
Blank= "Correct" Corso?
Edit IGNORE the black dog in the upper right hand Corner to me it does not look like anything. IMO.
Next turn.
I think you would be surprised to see the boxers, neos, Rotties, pitts, danes that are with in the past couple generations of most of these Cane Corsi, the recovery period didn't happen that long ago and while you would think that at this point most of the non-corso blood should be out of the dogs there are some that still added it in only a generation or two ago and still pass them off as pure. If people are that interested they can go to the Cane Corso database and look up a pedigree for most dogs but genetics is funny isn't it you can hide things with it and you can bring them out, just depends on how well you know the lines and what you are trying to bring out or make disappear.
So just for the sake of argument which one dogman do you consider a correct Cane Corso in the picture? Outside of Basir that was the dog the standard was written on? We could post a bunch of different pictures up here of dogs that fit the standard and that people prefer so who's opinion is the right one? And this is based just on head, what about the rest of the body and the temperament of the dog? You have a temperament test before your shows, they don't have those at the AKC, CKC, UKC, CFC or any other that I am aware of, but if they did I suspect you would see far few Champions then you do now.
Also unless they are breeding or showing I am not going to cut down someone's pet. You might think that is fair of you to do for your breed but they love their pet and don't deserve it. It is why most ask if they breeding or showing and if they say yes or maybe and are asking a opinion then they are given an honest one.
So I'm confused, then where did this "open to interpretation" come from? Shouldn't there be just the "standard"
Mary you speak of pedigree's as the be all end all in looking at a dogs lineage. A pedigree is just a piece of paper, easy enough to put what ever dog (especially if you have multiple) you want as the sire. I do not understand the stock put in in pedigree's, in order to be correct you need to ensure that the breeder and those before them were ethical And we know that ALL breeders are ethical now don't we... The mixing of breeds does not just go back to the "recovery" period, lets be honest here...
See DD? It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that these dogs are either mixed bred or cannot possibly fall into 1 breed standard.. all one has to do is look at the fine points. If everyone just looks quickly at any dog it is easy to see resemblance but once you really start looking the differences are all too apparent. that black dog in the corner looks like a great dane mix to me.
"The more vague a standard becomes the more open to interpretation it is. Imagine a standard that says: molosser type, all colors, no max weight, must be balanced, eyes/ears appropriately placed, etc."
What is a molosser "type", big, tall, heavy, muscled, wide? ALL colors? harlequin, spotted, black, white...everything? must be balanced? I think a grey hound is balanced but an english bulldog is not... others see it the other way around. what is appropriately placed? "It looks appropriate to me".. understand? w/o a clear cut standard it is impossible to get a clear cut breed.
PS DD that is a beautiful Dane... why don't you get him and then I will just take him off your hands for you