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CC Question - Americanized vs. true Italian

BlackShadowCaneCorso

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Even standards are open for interpretation otherwise there would not be so many kennels producing "correct" corso that look nothing like kennels in other parts of the country. Even taking a poll here of the kennels people like dogs from would show a difference in preference and type. It is what it is, the corso is where it is at. Learn what you can about what it took to get here and if you are interested then take an active interest in their future :). There are lots of people that are convinced their way is the only way, listening to what they are told and simply adopting those opinions as their own. Make your decision for yourself and continue to learn, find what you like or a group of people that you can trust and that you think can help you learn and take it from there. Good luck with research and have fun with it as there are some great people (ignore the not so great ones :) ) that are passionate about the breed and preserving it.
 
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chuckorlando

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Well first natural evolution and picking how you want it to evolve are not the same. Your dog looks like your dog cause it was planned. Wolfs have been natrualy selected in their evolution. Mastiffs have been breed to be what they currently are.

I think alot of filas are lunging maniacs due to under socialization. Yet even a well socialized one is still hands off. And will still bite your hand if you dont keep it off. I believe most all dogs that guarded and protected were hands off. If the intent is to protect the breed as the breed was intended to be, todays society verse 200yrs ago means nothing. If the dog was to har 200yr ago for todays society then the breed should die out, or only be in rural settings. It should not be changed to fit today. That makes it a totaly diff dog. So I would say along time ago, even socialized, they would be hands off. But again, that does not translate to aggressive so to speak. Far as size, well I aint a stickler on size. If it looks like a fila and acts like a fila it is a fila. Be it 100lb or 150lb. I would say the same for a cc if I had some. If it looks and acts like one the size dont matter much. IMO the temp is the most important part of a dog. You can laugh at how off standard the dog looks while she tries to bite your ass. ahahaha
 
Cody

Cody

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It is true, breeding's take place with a purpose in mind, or at least they should. I do not believe the CC was a strictly hands off breed, were the dogs harder? Absolutely. But were they comparable to the Fila... I have spoken often with a breeder in Italy who's family have been breeding CC for generations, these dogs are guardians and farm dogs. If one is invited onto the property the dogs will welcome them, accept them, still keep an eye on them. However if one is not invited and enters the property the chance of them leaving is not very good. That said do I believe that the CC should be a dog that LOVES the show ring? Not really. I believe that they should accept it because they are told to. My dogs don't like it, they tolerate it but they definitely are not running around with their tails straight up in the air happy to be groped by a stranger. Do I think they should be? Absolutely not. And yes, one can interpret the standard to fit one's dogs, there is some wiggle room, that said round heads and buggy eyes do not. Regardless people still chose to show that. The main problem with the breed IMO is politics, many won't see past their drama to recognise a good dog :) That and the sheer amount of people who get a Corso, are told it is amazing by people on the internet, so start up a breeding program with little to no knowledge of the breed and standards. Many are truly kennel blind. And Mary I agree 100% about those being told one way is the best and adopting opinions of other as their own, it is a VERY unfortunate aspect of the breed that is WAY too common.
 
chuckorlando

chuckorlando

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Yea I aint comparing them to fila just what I know to use as an example. This is essentially the fila fight just with cc's. Extremes should obviously be no go. To me their is a look. It may vary greatly. But a look all the same. When you look at a fila you know your looking at one. At least you should. Same should be said for all breeds. Inside of that look, I aint a stickler. I dont show and dont care to show so what one thinks mine stacks up against a standard not all that important. Long as it fits inside of it and folks who know the breed know they are looking at what ever breed. From my understanding(could be all kinda wrong) a cc should not really be friendly. It should not need or seek other folks attention. Yet should be able to take attention. I think possibly even regard strangers with a watchful eye. Thats pretty well hands off. Yet not aggressive. Like a drug dealer having a random convo with a cop. Sure the cop seem's ok, but he's just looking for a reason to throw you on the sidewalk. With that kinda temp one could likely have a hard dog via lack of socialization or a tolerant dog with socialization. And when I speak of temp, I also mean nerves. I've heard often, how many cc's are weak. There are filas the same. Thats from trying to soften the dog. Make it weak and maybe even friendly. I'm no pro, but I aint sure any cc should be friendly. I dont think any mastiff period was breed to be friendly but it's to late for many breeds
 
Cody

Cody

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---^---- yup. My dogs tolerate strangers. Neither seek out attention from strangers but will accept it. I will be the first to admit that they dislike showing, they do it, they don't love it. And yes, nerves are an issue in the breed. Many skittish fearful dogs... :(
 
Tiger12490

Tiger12490

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Well I dont think Fila are supposed to be mindless biting machines either there orginal purpose was the same as the CC

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jcook

jcook

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And yes, nerves are an issue in the breed. Many skittish fearful dogs...
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I've been noticing that, and I also feel like Stella is a wee bit on the fearful side (she is still a pup though). I didn't fully understand the whole "don't try to make a CC a lab" argument until I realized that it could be causing skittish dogs.
 
thelady_v2010

thelady_v2010

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My dog is friendly. After an initial growl or bark at a person walking in he greets them pretty enthusiastically. If that is the worst my dog does compared to standard, I consider myself lucky. We got a pet, not a breed of dog. I enjoy learning about the breed, but we fell in love with the dog 1st. I do see, over time, his guarding tendancies coming out, especially in the dark. He is very watchful and will bark at people in the dark.
 
Russ Williams

Russ Williams

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The pic below has Basir in the top left, the "prototype" Cane Corso. All of the other dogs are either "Champions" or promoted as prime examples of excellent breeding by their breeders. Please understand that I am not casting any slurs here. I am sure all of these are fine, fine animals. However, can you imagine such variance in any other breed?

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Duetsche_Doggen

Duetsche_Doggen

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Makes sense to me, just like there are no one type of race I don't expect a breed to be the same way. Certain traits should still stipulate as them being Corso. Though I'll admit I'm biased against some of those dogs though.
 
Cody

Cody

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ya, not sure how accurate that is. I know one of the dogs above is a spayed pet, never having been bred as she did not turn out how the breeder wanted, she was never championed either. I will be the first to say that because a breeder is breeding it, doesn't make it a good Corso. Nor will you ever see me say because it is a Ch it is a good representative of the breed. I have seen obvious pet quality dogs shown to their CH with DQ's. Campaigned on professional handlers for literally 2 years consistantly to achieve that. IMO that is NOT good for the breed, or in it's best interest. There is some variance, some wiggle room, not all CC's are going to be carbon copies obviously, but a little consistency would be nice...
 
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dogman#1

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Russ Williams said:
The pic below has Basir in the top left, the "prototype" Cane Corso. All of the other dogs are either "Champions" or promoted as prime examples of excellent breeding by their breeders. Please understand that I am not casting any slurs here. I am sure all of these are fine, fine animals. However, can you imagine such variance in any other breed?

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Now would you guys call all these dogs "variants" of the same breed? a couple have a loose resemblance to each other and some have a completely different look. If someone showed me this group of pics I would not make the assumption that they are the same breed at all. I know some (in the Fila world) that would look at all these dogs and somehow come to the conclusion that they are the same breed or "types" within the same breed... That kind of thought process always boggles my mind.... I often wonder how creative their minds must be in order to lump the obvious differences in breeds and make it 1.

Look of the first 5 dogs left to right .... c'mon guys, no way can anyone say they are the same breed. They may have some of the same breeds in them but they are def. not one breed.
 
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Duetsche_Doggen

Duetsche_Doggen

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Dogman I asnwered above, IMO yes. There are some traits that should still identify these dogs as Corso. Being human of course I will being biased against certain variants. I don't like the boxer, bugged eyed look
 
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dogman#1

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so you can actually say that you looked at that first dog and the one right next to it (the one that is obviously an F1 or F2 NEO) and say that they are the same breed? cant be, I cannot believe that a person with functioning eyes can say that. or what about the top right one that looks like a straight up neo/GD cross, actually reminds me alot of the black "filas"..... oh snap maybe corsos are just variants of Filas.....
 
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Duetsche_Doggen

Duetsche_Doggen

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Dogman I don't know Corso, like I do danes, but IMO to me it looks to be another variant of the Corso. Whether its your type is a matter of opinion. The only dog that looks "off" to me is the one on the far right in the top corner. I'm not sure if its its the angle or the photo, but it looks like a dane/lab mix for some reason.
 
chuckorlando

chuckorlando

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Theres nothing in there that looks like a black fila. Maybe you need to research better dogs, buy some glasses, or clean your contacts.
 
Cody

Cody

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As hard as it is to bite my tongue at times, I have to comment here. I agree with Dogman. I wouldn't call all these dogs Corso, in fact I am pretty sure a coyote slipped in there as well. I am tired of people making excuses for poor type or Boxerelli's. IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE A CORSO IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE A CORSO.
 
jcook

jcook

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Cody said:
As hard as it is to bite my tongue at times, I have to comment here. I agree with Dogman. I wouldn't call all these dogs Corso, in fact I am pretty sure a coyote slipped in there as well. I am tired of people making excuses for poor type or Boxerelli's. IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE A CORSO IT HAS TO LOOK LIKE A CORSO.
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I agree. I posted a thread about this a little while ago and I was well aware that some may have thought I was being a bit of an ass. Stella is not prefect, but she looks like a corso. I see soooo many people who think and are told that they have a corso when it looks NOTHING like a corso, imo. There is nothing wrong with saying it is mainly a corso, but still a mix. But call it what it is, dont just choose the label that you prefer or want.

And Cody, when you say you know one of those is a pet are you referring to the black on just under basir? I was about to get a dog from that breeder (if that is the dog i think it is), but after more research I opted out.
 
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