CC Question - Americanized vs. true Italian

[SavingGrace]

This might be a dumb question - but is there a difference between Americanized Cane Corso's and true Cane Corso's? We've heard this in the past and I have been curious about it.

Thanks!

 

[Rich189]

I've heard something similar but they called them "antico" and "new style" how it was explained to me is antico is heavier built and from the pics looks more like a neo mastiff then the "new style" which are a bit smaller more agile and have more of a pit/ boxer head shape.

But as I said this was told to me by other CC owners Ive seen out. My best guess is it's just another way of saying somewhere in the "antico" bloodline there is more neo mastiff

 

[Cody]

"Antico Cerberus" is a kennel. Actually it is the kennel that bred Basir who the Corso standard is based off of. There are now multiple types of CC, there are the older "American" lines; Bel Monte, Alaric, older Scandifio. However there has been so much importing that Scandy lines are now a pretty even mix of Am and Italian. If you google Roman Cane Corso you can see examples of American dogs. Then there are the older Italian dogs, the more Rustic dogs, Cerberus, Bocci, Dell'Appio, Leone, old Dyrium lines. Then with the World Dog Show wins of dogs like Cheno came the hyper type, more boxer BM influence. As for the Neo influence, the original Neo and Corso were in many (including myself) people's opinions the same dog. Pre dating the standard in Italy these dogs were a type, used for various things by various people. Even the name Cane Corso is generic. Here is an image of the original Neo standard, it predates the Corso being recognized as a breed, or even "discovered" so to speak.

 

[jcook]

Cody - thank you for the that information! very interesting. Stella is a Scandifio dog, and he definitely imports dogs from Italy and he even showed me one he imported from Israeli. Did you learn about all this CC stuff overtime, or do you have a main source of information? I noticed there are not many books on CC's.

 

[mx5055]

Thanks for the great info Cody. I have same question as jcook...where did you get all this knowledge (besides the fact that you have been into corsi forever)...just gathered it thru the years, or can you recommend any great books/reads ?

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

There are lots of sites where people of knowledge don't mind sharing. There are several facebook pages and forums designated to just the Cane Corso breed as well as if you google lots of sites come up as well. The history of the breed is very romantic so take what you hear/read with a grain of salt as opinions on origins, what was mixed in, who is responsible, etc and form your own opinion on you research. Also talking to the breeder's who carries your lines or even their breeder can be a wealth of information. It doesn't seem to matter how much you think you have learned it is never enough and something always keeps popping up to change what people thought was correct. Ath this point in time it is all about preference of type and what you want to see as the breed is all over the place and I don't know that you will see consistency with everyone certain that their type is the right type.

 

[mx5055]

Thanks Mary

 

[Cody]

Yup, there is lots of info out there one just has to dig for it. There were/are many older forums that are a wealth of knowledge. Breeders and fanciers from all over the world shared their knowledge. Here is a link to one http://www.canecorsoforum.info/ I have spent a lot of time studying the breed, pedigree's and speaking with various breeders, my own and many others around the world, as well as getting out and seeing as many dogs as I can. Lol, we have driven pretty much across the continent 2x to see dogs... There are people willing to talk and teach, you just need to sift through what you learn and go from there. The more different people (different lines) you speak to the better you are, as with most some have an agenda . And yes, no one knows everything. There are so many out there who have forgotten more then the majority have ever known. Books don't really do this breed justice, it is best to learn from hands on. If you can't then learn from those who have put their hands on Facebook is now the most used "forum" in the breed, but be careful, there is also lots of drama that goes around with that as well.

 

[mx5055]

Thanks Cody...any particular facebook page (there are many) that you would recommend?

 

[chuckorlando]

ah, the old debate on history. The problem with learning via the debate is you always only hear one side of the story at a time. In filas you will end the day looking at each sides proof. That proof is almost always the worst of the worst they could find, then it turns sarcastic, then personal.

I cant speak for the cc's. But if their debate is like our debates, might be best to forget the debate all together. Find the look you want then find a breeder with the temp you want. Tell the folks that dont like your choice to pound sand.

 

[chuckorlando]

double post

 

[angelbears]

Just about every breed has it. Chuck is right, go for what you like and screw the rest.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Just about every breed has it. Chuck is right, go for what you like and screw the rest.

Pretty much.....

 

[mx5055]

ah, the old debate on history. The problem with learning via the debate is you always only hear one side of the story at a time. In filas you will end the day looking at each sides proof. That proof is almost always the worst of the worst they could find, then it turns sarcastic, then personal.

I cant speak for the cc's. But if their debate is like our debates, might be best to forget the debate all together. Find the look you want then find a breeder with the temp you want. Tell the folks that dont like your choice to pound sand.

I understand what you're saying Chuck, but I've already got the dog....I am just interested in learning more about the breed...which is why I found Mary's and Cody's advice helpful

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

LOL! Chuck does have it right but the debates are alright as long as you can sift throught the BS and see the ones laying it down for what they are. Here are a couple...

that is a breed discussion page
http://www.facebook.com/groups/330983470313382/

History & Structure page (has many different breeders on it from here in NA and europe)
http://www.facebook.com/groups/383841365031799/

Another History page...
http://www.facebook.com/groups/176576539126990/

Another forum although not many breeders on here, think it tends to be just puppy owners with the occasional breeder thrown in.
CaneCorso.com - The Premier Global Internet Resource for the Cane Corso Italiano

Used to be a great international board but now is mainly used to advertise litters but there are some older posts that are alright to read, just remember that grain of sand when reading as most of the drama that has carried over to FB started on this forum.
Cane Corso Forum - Index

I have some more links on my home computer if you want more but those are probably a good starting point.

 

[mx5055]

Thank you very much Mary

 

[SavingGrace]

This is all very helpful everyone! Thank you!!

 

[chuckorlando]

Yea I aint by any means saying dont learn. I'm just saying stay out of the bs. Least till you know enough to have your opinion pretty well set

 

[Cody]

Yea I aint by any means saying dont learn. I'm just saying stay out of the bs. Least till you know enough to have your opinion pretty well set

Yup I agree! There are a lot of different opinions on the breed, type and temperament. There are politics, BS, "cool kid cliques", back stabbing and a whole lot of drama. If you wade through that then there are a lot of people with vast amounts of knowledge who are willing to share. That is why I suggest talking to DIFFERENT breeders with DIFFERENT lines, you will learn a more rounded view of the breed. From what you gather over this time form your own opinions and views of the breed The Corso is one of the most romanticised breeds. Its history is a mixture of myth and dirty truths that most don't want to know. In essence the Corso is a glorified bandogge. One that we will never really know what went into it's creation. It was the dog of the poor farmer, the rich land owner... It was a drover, a hunter, a home guardian. It was whatever was needed at the time. It still is, there will never be unity within the CC community. One needs to find what it is they are wanting and go from there. Take in as much as you can and eventually you will find some truths inbetween. We are all still learning, I learn something new about the breed pretty much daily

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Here are some more links you might enjoy...

This one is in Italian but you can switch to english at the top
Home | Il Contado del Molise del Dott. Flavio Bruno

This is the pedigree database so you can look up various dogs
Canecorso pedigree database - - pedigree

It truly is a wonderful breed if you can get past the ego maniacs that seem to be prevalent in this breed. There are some wonderful people so don't let one bad apple spoil the whole bunch for you. There are some awesome breeders both here and over seas that don't mind talking about their dogs or the history. There are a number of breeders from the US that have traveled over to Italy and can give their experiences on what was seen personally which is always of great benefit. I am lucky that 2 of the people I can talk to often have been to Italy and I have several others that I talk to frequently that have done more research than me which if you ask my boyfriend he would not be sure that is even possible considering the time I spend looking at corso sites and pedigrees and such.