CC Question - Americanized vs. true Italian

[jcook]

What does a Corso look like? :lol:

haha well I can tell you that that the third one from the right looks more like a neo, so it cant look like a corso if it looks like a neo.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Ok, my opinion of course

Circles = Neo Influence
Square= Boxer
Blank= "Correct" Corso?

Edit IGNORE the black dog in the upper right hand Corner to me it does not look like anything. IMO.

Next turn.

 

[jcook]

^i agree

I think Stella looks a little boxer-ish

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Stella, looks like she has an attitude, lol.

She has small traces of boxer feature, but honestly not much IMO. Comparing to the photos above.

I don't think variants should be a "bad" think so long as they don't get carried away, via health, function of the dog.

 

[Cody]

I don't think Stella is hyper type (boxerish) She is also a baby and needs to finish developing. She will not finish her head until 2-3 years. But as of now she is very much Corso. Where did you get her again? She is a nice looking girl. No, the dog in the picture that is a pet is the blue brindle second from the bottom on the far right. She is a nice girl, but not what the breeder wanted for her program so found a great home for. The modern Neo influence is not what I like in the cc, but not that long ago these 2 breeds were considered the same type of dog. The older Mastino Italiano (not the show neo) influence in the CC should be there IMO, these are a Mastiff, NOT a boxer. look at the legendary B litter, there are MANY old time CC folks that consider Bulan a better dog then Basir. I want to see the "flour" in the breed, I want a dog with good bone. The CC should not be a fine boned delicate animal, it should have mass and power yet be able to move.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

So...a Black Jack

 

[Cody]

So...a Black Jack

Lol, Structurally I LOVE his body, love watching him move. Don't get me wrong, he has his faults all dogs do, but he moves like a large cat and exudes power. He has the bone to back it. That is what I personally like in a CC and was why I not just jumped, but Leapt into the car and drove across the continent to get him when the offer was made. Yes, he is what I like in a CC, obviously, he is here But there are many more out there that I like.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Cody you mind providing photos of "correct" CC? I do like Black Jack judging from the photos, if I were a Corso person I would prefer his particular type. Or one of the breeders dog in Italy you showed us. I like a dog with substance but I also want balance.

 

[Cody]

The trouble with posting pics is I have to get permission, or the CC police will crack down believe me they are here watching, lmao. I will look through some older pics I have on my other computer and see what I can dig up that won't offend anyone.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

The trouble with posting pics is I have to get permission, or the CC police will crack down believe me they are here watching, lmao. I will look through some older pics I have on my other computer and see what I can dig up that won't offend anyone.

Understood. No worries

 

[Cody]

Okay so I stole these off another forum, it is not a perfect dog but it is a great example of the standard and understanding it.

 

[Cody]

Again, no dog is perfect but Prestige is a nice Corso and is nice to see the measurements in the standard against a real dog

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Those measurements just messed my focus.......like statistics all over again....

 

[Cody]

Those measurements just messed my focus.......like statistics all over again....

Lol, have to I will find pics of dogs that I like and think are correct. It may just take a little bit

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Do they have something similar to a Zuchttauglichkeitsprufung for CC's? Because that's what the blue prints you posted reminded me of.

 

[jcook]

Stella, looks like she has an attitude, lol.

she was giving me attitude this morning. I was sleeping in because, well, I was recovering from celebrating my birthday last night ha. But Stella really wanted me to get up. I managed to take her a couple mile hike despite being slightly hungover, goes to show how much i love that dog ha.

She will not finish her head until 2-3 years. But as of now she is very much Corso. Where did you get her again? She is a nice looking girl.

Thanks. I was wondering about her head, I wasn't sure when it was going to be 100% done in terms of development, glad I know now I honestly, I am looking forward to her body slowing in terms of growth lol. She is 11 months and around 107.

I got her from Tony Scandy - Scandifio Cane Corso. She was one of two available females, I could have waited for a Nino pup (i love Nino), but there was just something about Stellas face that I fell in love with, she looked like she was smiling in all of her photos! anyways, he told me she would probably max out at 95-105... ha

oh, and thanks for posting those pictures with the measurements!

 

[dogman#1]

THANK GOD some people came out of the wood work and agreed with me! I thought I really did need to go to an eye specialist as someone suggested... there has to come a point in time when the "variation" is an obvious cross bred or bred so far out of standard that it no longer falls within that breed's standard and therefore cannot be called a CC. Fila, GD, etc.
like someone stated you cant excuse poor breedings with the catch all "breeder's interpretation" it doesnt take a whole lot of imagination to know that the standard doesnt call for a Neo withing 1-2 generations or a great dane parent.... enough crap folks. People, dont keep your mouths shut about this sort of thing because all of the silence and "its a beautiful girl" only brings people to believe that they actually got something worth breeding. If someone asks for an opinion give it to them! Remember they are asking because they are not sure, it may hurt their feelings for a short time but it will help preserve the breed.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

THANK GOD some people came out of the wood work and agreed with me! I thought I really did need to go to an eye specialist as someone suggested... there has to come a point in time when the "variation" is an obvious cross bred or bred so far out of standard that it no longer falls within that breed's standard and therefore cannot be called a CC. Fila, GD, etc.
like someone stated you cant excuse poor breedings with the catch all "breeder's interpretation" it doesnt take a whole lot of imagination to know that the standard doesnt call for a Neo withing 1-2 generations or a great dane parent.... enough crap folks. People, dont keep your mouths shut about this sort of thing because all of the silence and "its a beautiful girl" only brings people to believe that they actually got something worth breeding. If someone asks for an opinion give it to them! Remember they are asking because they are not sure, it may hurt their feelings for a short time but it will help preserve the breed.

I think you would be surprised to see the boxers, neos, Rotties, pitts, danes that are with in the past couple generations of most of these Cane Corsi, the recovery period didn't happen that long ago and while you would think that at this point most of the non-corso blood should be out of the dogs there are some that still added it in only a generation or two ago and still pass them off as pure. If people are that interested they can go to the Cane Corso database and look up a pedigree for most dogs but genetics is funny isn't it you can hide things with it and you can bring them out, just depends on how well you know the lines and what you are trying to bring out or make disappear.

So just for the sake of argument which one dogman do you consider a correct Cane Corso in the picture? Outside of Basir that was the dog the standard was written on? We could post a bunch of different pictures up here of dogs that fit the standard and that people prefer so who's opinion is the right one? And this is based just on head, what about the rest of the body and the temperament of the dog? You have a temperament test before your shows, they don't have those at the AKC, CKC, UKC, CFC or any other that I am aware of, but if they did I suspect you would see far few Champions then you do now.

Also unless they are breeding or showing I am not going to cut down someone's pet. You might think that is fair of you to do for your breed but they love their pet and don't deserve it. It is why most ask if they breeding or showing and if they say yes or maybe and are asking a opinion then they are given an honest one.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

So I'm confused, then where did this "open to interpretation" come from? Shouldn't there be just the "standard"

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

There are some parts in all the standards that are not black and white, they can be grey and this is where there is "wiggle room" so to speak. Then there are also 3 different standards for our breed so you can say I breed to this one when it fits the dog or the other when it does. I think the AKC also removed most measurements and put proportional in most of those places so that can cause some wiggle room as well. The different bites can cause a difference in the head type (in some cases) and that can make a difference in the dog. In Europe the breed to FCI343, US is the AKC and we have the original ENCI standard here.