Chuck, "I never said you said they approved them to breed. I said you admit cafib puts out some bad dogs that could be mixed." O.K, yes, that is possible but then they would get reproved unlike the cbkc where they would get a championship...see the difference there?
"When I say end all be all I mean you speak in absolutes 90% of the time. Oh we are consistent, THEY are not. Which according to your own statements, you like some non cafib's there for not all of THEY should be included in broad statments." I swear, I mean no disrespect but when I am talking about dogs NOTHING is 100%..we are talking about living things arent we? this doesnt mean that out of every litter a neo, dane and an em popping up should be o.k and considered normal I am talking about within a litter having some pups with better angulations then others and so forth like that and if that is what you consider to be inconsistent then you cannot consider any breed in the world consistent. Sometimes I dont know what level people are on as far as dogs go so forgive me if I make a statement like "consistent" and someone takes that to mean that they all come out clones as if it were a car assembly line.
"But after admitting the above you then say " How can there be anything other than "end all be all" when we talk about pureness? can we allow just a little pureness or just a little mixed bred? it cannot alter it's stand to allow something other than example of real Fila Brasileiros to breed otherwise they WILL be exactly like the CBKC "---- Yes cafib wont let them be breed, but they show up in the litters, you just dont breed them. " This statement right here shows that you dont understand what CAFIB does so i will explain...you can take ANY dog to a CAFIB show, no pedigree, no anything, it can even be a cbkc champion, CAFIB parents or not, it doesnt matter. the judge will see what its faults are, its movement, its temperament, its nervous system and also see if there are any mixed bred faults. it is given an approval to breed or not, if it breeds its pups will be eval'd if they show no signs of mixed breeding they too will be approved, if not then they are not and scrutiny goes towards the parents.. if you know you mixed bred you wont show the dog and that dog wont get analyzed. CAFIB can care less if you have CAFIB and non CAFIB dogs but if you plan to be a member and breed by their guidlines then you shouldnt breed against it. In onciero (CAFIB in Czech republic) if you breed a dam or sire that has not been approved then you are banned from the club, keeps ya honest dont it?
"Sorry, I added the 40yr but you sayed the rest but I got the 40 from here--------
now if for 40 yrs you keep that mix going with good records and the final outcome breeds consistently with the same look , type, structure, temp, etc then sir you have started a new breed." And that is correct a "NEW" breed not a fila but something else, maybe a cousin or so.
"I'll give you this. I was mistaken. It aint a matter of reading or not reading a standard. I thought he visited multiple kennels." no problem brother.
"Gang banging black folks was confirmed by gang banging black folks as well. If you have 10 people in a line and 2 of them admit to spitting, does that make all 10 spitters? No." No it is not like saying that at all... lets take this shall we: 10 people in a line, 2 admit to spitting but those 2 also said I taught those other 8 to spit, we went around spitting everywhere, the police has photos of all 10 spitting... now does that make all 10 spitters? YES! Sometimes you dont have to admit what is so obvious. see a few admitted to mixed breeding and they admitted to selling dogs that were bred to other XYZ kennels...does XYZ kennels need to confirm that they too mixed bred? NO! it is in the pedigrees, whether they want to tell you (John Q. Public) is a matter of integrity which shows they have very little.
"Ni back to the 3000 pups. If you have a line that seems pure, and after 10yrs of breeding all pure pups you get a litter with one throw back. That maybe maybe not mix you talked about earlier. Does that one pup not throw suspesion on the whole line?" hmm, good question... a throwback to what exactly? This is a good question because we do not know the exact ancestry to the fila so if you believe that it came from EM, EB and bloodhound and it throws a bloodhound "mask" or a kink tail from a bulldog it doesnt nec. mean that they are mixed bred but those dogs are not used anymore... take for example the apbt, they are sometimes born with kinks in their tails, not part of the standard so they are disqual but not mixed either. but if for reason we get a fluffy collie tail on a fila then something is wrong. remember a high earset or tail set are not disqualifications, just faults. depending on how bad the faults are the dog can me disqual'd but this is pretty basic stuff with any breed... anything far off from the standard will weigh more heavily. I hat to pick on Bubba do eshabeta this much but to me, he represents everything that is wrong... look at him and see if he can be a "throwback" or a mix...there is no question that he is a mix and im not a judge, and because he was bred over and over and over, used by multiple breeders then YES! they are all mixed and to say anything different would mean that one is obviously hiding something.
PLEASE READ THIS IF NOTHING ELSE!
Guys, what you fail to realize is that everything about the fila made it possible to work correctly...a split (which is usually exessive lips) is a fault because as the fila goes to grab an animal or a person it would grab its own lips and puncture them (a trait for working), the low earset is for tracking a dog with higher earset will not be as good (a work trait), the tail insertion is formed by the formation and structure of the bones in the rear... a high insertion means short bones which means less long, lean muscle mass in the rear that enables the dog to get his powerful and effortless stride from his rear legs (a huge issue and also a working issue) this also coincides with rear angulation. the fila head is shaped the way is (Pear shaped, broad then narrowing and broadening up again towards the front of the mouth) because it uses the front of the mouth to hold and not the rear molars...too thin up front and it wont have any power, too short and broad and it losses "wind" and will tend to use molars Not great if it was your goat/sheep as it would snap that bone easily. EVERYTHING about the fila must be considered, EVERYTHING because it ALL correlates to how the fila works, moves, etc. by taking something away you lessened its efficiency as a whole. I really do hope you guys understand why it is important to view the overall specimen and not just one aspect because I dont know how much clearer I can be here.