CC Colors according to AKC standards

[ZEBO75]

A standard is just that "a standard" If there was no standard everybody with an overgrown boxer could start selling them as CC's. The amazing thing about this breed is that a true CC should be sound in conformation and work ability.

Oh really. Please tell me which one of these dogs meet AKC so called gold standard?

[video=youtube;BbVvGSVSDsM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BbVvGSVSDsM[/video]

[video=youtube;Ng21yQUxiyM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ng21yQUxiyM[/video]

 

[cookiedough39]

So we are discussing CC standard, and you put up videos of Neo's. I know absolutely nothing about their standard in conformation or working. A "standard" does not mean "perfection." It is meant to be a guide.

 

[grazefull1]

ok this is getting pretty good but i a bit confonsed if the colors of a point cc isnt from rottie and such than where does the color can from? i also heard of somewhat white cc ? there's a couple not so common colors in the breed its just make me wonder how big the gene color pool is ?

 

[grazefull1]

Oh really. Please tell me which one of these dogs meet AKC so called gold standard?

[video=youtube;BbVvGSVSDsM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BbVvGSVSDsM[/video]

[video=youtube;Ng21yQUxiyM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ng21yQUxiyM[/video]

hey if u can find a video that shows the difference bewteen working line cc and show line cc pls post it cuz i thought they were somewhat similar ?

 

[grazefull1]

similar in looks and function anyway ? but i could b wrong:scared2:

 

[grazefull1]

oh not including pet quality just the the difference between showline n workline

 

[ZEBO75]

So we are discussing CC standard, and you put up videos of Neo's. I know absolutely nothing about their standard in conformation or working. A "standard" does not mean "perfection." It is meant to be a guide.

I used the Neo as an example of what show breeding does to breeds as a whole. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a standard but functionality and temperament should be a part of it. Most show dogs are not tested for anything but looks. Generations of this type of breeding has watered down many breeds. People overtime over do physical features and lose site of the breeds original function. The Cane Corso hasn't been hit by the bug as hard yet because it is a newly registered breed. I like the Corso with less boxer influence with more of a serious gaze.

 

[Cody]

Again, the registries and the standard are not to blame for the destruction of breeds, it is egos that do that. Example; a judge puts up a dog that may not be a great example of the breed for a prestigious award. So other breeders want that award, they begin to breed to what is winning not what is correct. Soon more and more of these dogs are in the ring. That is what judges see and begin to believe is correct, that is what the public sees and begin to want that. So more are bred. I have seen pedigree dogs exposed, no worries there. I grew up with GSD's working lines that were also Ch show dogs in the 70's. They were still functional dogs and show breeders were not fan's of our breeder. I have seen how breeds have been destroyed, what I am saying is that it is NOT the standard that does that, it is those breeding outside it. As we are talking CC here we are at the beginning of this breed. It has only been a breed for 25 years, it is here and now that we set the course for the breeds future. Creating a work/show rift is not going to help the Corso in the future, it is going to take it down the same road that has hurt so many other breeds. At this point in time we are still form follows function. Our standard is still geared towards a WORKING dog, to having a dog that moves and is athletic. I personally would like to keep it that way, and IMO it is up to those of us that are passionate about this breed to keep it like that.

 

[Cody]

From what I read it's not true that it shows presence of other breeds. Dispelling the MYTHS Do you disagree with this article? I will research point colors genetically as soon as I can. My BS in biology has to be good for something.
And there are many other breeds that DQ animals for color, for example, poodles who are not allowed to be another colors other than solid. I personally think it's silly. I have a parti poodle who has a championship in UKC but isn't allowed to be shown AKC. Parti poodles have been shown in paintings way back in history, and I've never heard anyone in the poodle breed club trying to say that they are mixed breed as the excuse to exclude them.

If my dog is nice in every other way but excluded and referred to as "crap" just because of her color that is just crazy. Color has nothing to do with the functionality of the breed or soundness.

No one said your dog was "crap" due to brindle points, all that was said is a DQ in the standard and should not be bred. If she is from a reputable breeder then she would have been sold on a pet/spay contract any way so that point is mute. The brindle points have popped up in the breed on both sides of the ocean, no one is talking about the AM vs IT dogs here. However there are many better writings then that one in talking about the influences of other breeds within the CC. The Corso as a breed is only 25 years old, before was a type. Here is a much better article on these influences by someone far more invested in the breed. https://www.facebook.com/notes/shau...breed-influences-on-the-corso/515656978493567

 

[Hector]

Again, the registries and the standard are not to blame for the destruction of breeds, it is egos that do that. Example; a judge puts up a dog that may not be a great example of the breed for a prestigious award. So other breeders want that award, they begin to breed to what is winning not what is correct. Soon more and more of these dogs are in the ring. That is what judges see and begin to believe is correct, that is what the public sees and begin to want that. So more are bred. I have seen pedigree dogs exposed, no worries there. I grew up with GSD's working lines that were also Ch show dogs in the 70's. They were still functional dogs and show breeders were not fan's of our breeder. I have seen how breeds have been destroyed, what I am saying is that it is NOT the standard that does that, it is those breeding outside it. As we are talking CC here we are at the beginning of this breed. It has only been a breed for 25 years, it is here and now that we set the course for the breeds future. Creating a work/show rift is not going to help the Corso in the future, it is going to take it down the same road that has hurt so many other breeds. At this point in time we are still form follows function. Our standard is still geared towards a WORKING dog, to having a dog that moves and is athletic. I personally would like to keep it that way, and IMO it is up to those of us that are passionate about this breed to keep it like that.

Not to sound rude, but in a way it sounds like the judges are at fault. They give out awards to those that may or may not be great examples of the breed? I'm just perplexed as to how they are not the cause.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Both judges and breeders are at fault. Most times judges do not have outside jobs they have judging assignments, if you excuse a dog for lack of merit (withhold ribbons or not award the points) then you would not be a popular judge to have invited back so most times a judge will not do this (very few will when so many more should!) and will put up whatever is in front of him (if only one dog then an easy choice), thus making a lot of dogs Champions that should not be. The other side of the coin is if breeders did not take dogs that were out of standard to shows then the judge would never see incorrect dogs. Playing the blame game at this point doesn't matter, educating as many people as possible on what is correct (both conformation and workability) is what is needed and to not follow the fads that seem to take over. It might not make you popular with others who are breeding to the fads but if you are staying true to the breed then that is what will set you apart in the end.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

IMO unless color produces known genetic deficioncies like my breed with Harlequins. Color be damned.

 

[terzo corso]

Oh really. Please tell me which one of these dogs meet AKC so called gold standard?


[video=youtube;Ng21yQUxiyM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ng21yQUxiyM[/video]

That neo BINTU is a good dog from all accounts I've heard....and the other Neo's in his kennel aren't that much in standard with those in show "condition" like the first vid.
http://members.boardhost.com/bandog/msg/1362622522.html

 

[terzo corso]

ok this is getting pretty good but i a bit confonsed if the colors of a point cc isnt from rottie and such than where does the color can from?

The easiest way to look at it,would be to see it as a color(available) in dogs.....but just that Rotts are (bred)selected for expressing it in their coat.

(google images)

 

[terzo corso]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...0dv0BJ3x0D7jQB0pnR3O2zCw&ust=1381696786687258

 

[terzo corso]

My Cane Corso:

3+mos.

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6 mos.

 

[Cody]

No one said that the points were not from the rottie. The points are the influence of other breeds plain and simple. As I said earlier you have to remember that the CC was a TYPE of dog not a BREED of dog up until the 80's. As a breed it is still very very new. Other breeds have had 100's of years to evolve into what they are, not so with the CC. Right now establishing type and temperament is key. The standard is the tool we have at hand to do that.

 

[terzo corso]

Here is a much better article on these influences by someone far more invested in the breed. https://www.facebook.com/notes/shau...breed-influences-on-the-corso/515656978493567

Thanks for that link,interesting read.







Whiloe it is true that some people have the viewpoint that Black and Tan Corsi should be automatically be spayed and eliminated from the breeding gene pool,one thing that stood out here was Mrs. DeMoss statement-

In the last 19 years, I have had 4 litters, out of dogs I owned or produced, that produced black and tan. Every single one of them has been a combination of first and second wave bloodlines. While four litters aren’t very many, I see a very clear pattern there. What I find very interesting is that the black and tan puppies almost always are the best in the litter. They are the ones with the best structure, mass and movement. Considering the light bone, hyper type dogs I am seeing in everyone’s programs lately, I would breed one of those back into my program in a heartbeat to regain what we have lost from those dogs in those lines.

 

[whit72]

I couldn't tell you what the bed standard is,my girl is solid blue. But most pictures I see there are patches of white on the chest, are blues supposed to have some white on the chest? Frankly I don't care much but now I'm curious.

 

[Cody]

They can have white on the chest or not, either way is fine. The white is not supposed to be huge like a tuxedo pattern. As for the statement that Shauna made in that comment, I believe she is referring to the comparison of hyper type vs a great example of the breed who has the points. Given those as one's only options I agree, I would use the pointed dog as well over the boxer type that she is referring to. However, given a third option of a great Corso with out points or a hypertype dog, who has the structure, bone, type and temperament it is a no brainer