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CC Colors according to AKC standards

violetsmom

Member
Is there anyone here who can tell me if my girl, Violet, is disqualified for showing due to her color? I had some corso show people look at her this weekend at Reliant show in Houston and they had some good things to say about her conformation. She is blue, but has brindle markings on her legs and very faint markings on face (barely noticeable there), neck and around tail. Does this fall under the tan markings as in black and tan breeds as I read in the standard as a DQ? Her markings are brindle, not tan. I've attached a picture so you can get an idea.

It reads "Disqualification: Any color with tan pattern markings as seen in black-and-tan breeds."
 

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grazefull1

Well-Known Member
something similar to these patterning weather dark color or not
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how is a photo of my female dad not show at all
download (1).jpgdownload (3).jpgdownload (6).jpglike said corso showing this pattern mainly tan marking like a rottie is dislike
 

grazefull1

Well-Known Member
with akc it say"Disqualification: Any color with marking pattern as seen in black and tan breeds.

meaning dobe,rottie and so on so i help this helps
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
Brindle points are a DQ in the standard. They do happen in the breed and are common but she should have been sold as a pet on a pet contract and not be shown or bred. Although the brindle points are part of the breeds history it is not something that should be added back into the gene pool. Not trying to sound harsh, just being realistic. She is a cute girl :) Enjoy her
 

ZEBO75

Well-Known Member
You have a nice looking pup and should not go around worrying about the AKC standards. Thay have ruined more breeds than I can count. All they care about is appearance and not functionality. The AKC and the UKC is a joke and shouldn't be taking serious. The only thing you should worry about is your dog's functionality.
 

Cody

Well-Known Member
Yes that is true, the standard is based on the appearance of the dog, the structure and functionality. At least in the CC breed the standard is still form to function. Meaning that the dog that adheres to the standard is still the dog who should perform the best. It is the standard which separates the Corso from the other breeds. The AKC, UKC, FCI and ENCI have nothing to do with temperament or drive. With out a standard I could point at the Chihuahua next door and say that that is a pure bred Corso... The reason that the brindle points and the black and tan / Blue and tan are not allowed in the standard is due to the obvious presence of other breeds that comes with them. As far as your comment about do not worry about the standard, I must strongly disagree. Too many BYB's are doing just that and using the exact excuse that you just did to justify breeding crap. That is what is hurting our breed, that is what will destroy it in the end. The AKC is a registry, that is all. The standards are written and voted on by the parent breed clubs. Although I am not 100% thrilled about the breed being AKC, they have wrecked nothing. It is greed that destroys breeds. Plain and simple it is breeders that do that.
 

grazefull1

Well-Known Member
Oh ok learn something new well like i said u have a cutie my is know 11 wks wow they grow too fast lol n 24lbs cant wait for more growing pic:)
 

violetsmom

Member
From what I read it's not true that it shows presence of other breeds. Dispelling the MYTHS Do you disagree with this article? I will research point colors genetically as soon as I can. My BS in biology has to be good for something. ;)
And there are many other breeds that DQ animals for color, for example, poodles who are not allowed to be another colors other than solid. I personally think it's silly. I have a parti poodle who has a championship in UKC but isn't allowed to be shown AKC. Parti poodles have been shown in paintings way back in history, and I've never heard anyone in the poodle breed club trying to say that they are mixed breed as the excuse to exclude them.

If my dog is nice in every other way but excluded and referred to as "crap" just because of her color that is just crazy. Color has nothing to do with the functionality of the breed or soundness.
 

ZEBO75

Well-Known Member
Yes that is true, the standard is based on the appearance of the dog, the structure and functionality. At least in the CC breed the standard is still form to function. Meaning that the dog that adheres to the standard is still the dog who should perform the best. It is the standard which separates the Corso from the other breeds. The AKC, UKC, FCI and ENCI have nothing to do with temperament or drive. With out a standard I could point at the Chihuahua next door and say that that is a pure bred Corso... The reason that the brindle points and the black and tan / Blue and tan are not allowed in the standard is due to the obvious presence of other breeds that comes with them. As far as your comment about do not worry about the standard, I must strongly disagree. Too many BYB's are doing just that and using the exact excuse that you just did to justify breeding crap. That is what is hurting our breed, that is what will destroy it in the end. The AKC is a registry, that is all. The standards are written and voted on by the parent breed clubs. Although I am not 100% thrilled about the breed being AKC, they have wrecked nothing. It is greed that destroys breeds. Plain and simple it is breeders that do that.
I would like you to watch the video pedigree dogs exposed to get a better overstanding of what the AKC standard has done to hurt breeds. GSD have curved backs and limp back hocks which are direct effect of show breeding. People who breed working dogs are not overly concerned with appearance. That why real working dogs like the Serbian Defense dogs and Bully Kutta doesn't have any breed standard. I can on and on about examples of show vs working dogs. Bottom line AKC and UKC is bad for your breed in the long run.
 

violetsmom

Member
Zebo75, GSD was the first breed that came into my mind when reading that post. It's very sad to look at. I also used to work for a working gun dog kennel and was really shocked when I saw the top specimens for field trials and hunting tests. They look NOTHING like the bench labs you see in the show ring. The lady I worked for was one of the top breeder/handlers in the state. She tried many time breeding in the bench type dogs into her lines, but these dogs wouldn't retrieve worth a poop.
 

violetsmom

Member
OK, so when reading up on the tan pointed genetics, it is recessive. Therefore breeding a rottie to a CC would NOT produce pointed puppies. Unless there are a lot of people doing such crosses and breeding those offspring the points ARE in CC lines and it's not due to outcrossing.
 

cookiedough39

Well-Known Member
I would like you to watch the video pedigree dogs exposed to get a better overstanding of what the AKC standard has done to hurt breeds. GSD have curved backs and limp back hocks which are direct effect of show breeding. People who breed working dogs are not overly concerned with appearance. That why real working dogs like the Serbian Defense dogs and Bully Kutta doesn't have any breed standard. I can on and on about examples of show vs working dogs. Bottom line AKC and UKC is bad for your breed in the long run.
A standard is just that "a standard" If there was no standard everybody with an overgrown boxer could start selling them as CC's. The amazing thing about this breed is that a true CC should be sound in conformation and work ability.