Ruger Kris, I dont know why you like that look but more power to you. I remember when I started researching the breed I dismissed them entirely just from looks alone! The more research I did the more I had to see one in person, after all it had to be 99% hype, right? I met a few at first that I know now to be of mixed bred variety and I dismissed them again because now I KNEW it was all hype but others convinced me to check out some CAFIB Filas and as soon as I saw one the search began... took me over 2 years to find one that was exactly what I wanted but it has been well worth it. Suzy (girl dogue) has an adult male and a young bitch (Both CAFIB) and she lives in Florida, you might want to check her out (road trip?). There is also a guy named Jesus Llanos that used to breed filas in Miami area and he might be able to point you to some pure specimens in your area for review. His kennel name is Pasto do Onca and you can find his contact info via that name.
There really isnt a big need for a trainer unless you are new to large breeds in general... they are super obedient, they dont challenge too much at all, very submissive, low prey drive and pretty low energy in the home. you just have to be EXTRA responsible and attentive when people are around and make sure that you have adequate containment so he/ she doesnt get out and either gets hurt or hurts someone else. In my experience most "trainers" dont understand dogs like filas, COs or any other highly defense driven dog and can actually cause more harm then good when dealing with them.
Someone recommended Eshabeta, I cant agree with that as some of her foundation stock is the epitome of mixed bred in fact we sometimes use their foundation stock dogs to show exaggerated mixed breeding traits for learning situations. BTW I am not bad mouthing here but what kind of help would I be if I left out crucial information?
Also dont be fooled by someone who only breeds "pet quality" dogs... Pet quality means faults and could be structural, confirmation, temperament and/or weak nerves. The breeder should be breeding only top notch specimens and if a pet quality pup is offered from that breeding ask exactly what makes that pup pet and not show/breed quality. if it is something stupid like a slightly harder stop and you never plan on showing or even breeding then by all means go for that. The truth is that a show quality CAFIB Fila doesnt cost that much more than a pet quality one... we are talking less than 2K and more realistically between 1200-1500USD. I would go for the best one you can find.
If you decide on a CAFIB Fila Brasileiro then I can definitely help you research bloodlines, breeders etc as you do have some choices there. If you plan to go the non CAFIB route I wont be of much help to you however I have heard good things about Deer Graze Kennels and never anything negative. Their dogs seem well put together and people boast of good hips and all around soundness. They are obviously Non CAFIB but seem to be good all around dogs. I have heard and seen many negative things about most of the others though. Either way let me know how I can help and I will definitely give it a go and if I can I will put you in contact with someone that can.
Good Luck and welcome to the last breed you will ever own.
wow, really? Hmm... maybe I need to get me a Fila...nah, they actually develop under coats... they are fine in cold weather. The guy who had the full littermate brother to my Maddy lived in Alaska and not anchorage it was like a cabin in the middle of nowhere Alaska. The dog had a regular dog house and was never an indoor dog, never house trained and he was fine.
Thank you so much for all of the information and I will definitely be contacting you with more questions. It makes me feel so much better after reading your post. Taking on a new family member, A Fila at that, is a big step and it is wonderful to know that I am able to go to someone with more knowledge than myself as well as hands on experience. I have decided to go the CAFIB route, I believe, as it just gives me more hope to get a better dog with the right temperment. Also, I have been going back and forth about pet quality versus show quality and have decided that although I have no intent to show or breed, I will be looking for a show quality pup. I have no issue with the money and don't see the point in saving a few hundred bucks and taking a risk. I will look up the folks that you reference in your post. You really made my day. I would appreciate the help with researching bloodline because I have to admit to being fairly ignorant when it comes to that. The first time I saw a picture of a Fila I remember thinking "That is a damn ugly dog!" but at the same time, I couldn't uit looking at it and seeing the "other" stuff, ya know? I think I have read nearly everything there is about Fila's and I just want more to read and I really, really want to meet one on person!!! I am up to a road trip as soon as someone has a good Fila for me to see! I can't explain it but over the past months I have fallen in love with the Fila. Again, Thank you so much. I wouldn't even know how to go about starting to look at bloodlines now that I have decided to go CAFIB so any advice you have would be more than appreciated. I'm glad I am waiting 1-2 years because it looks like it is going to take me that long to learn everything I need to know in order to confidentally get the pup of my dreams
Hi Rugers Kris,
I've owned and been around this breed for many years.
The recommendation I will be giving you is simple. Don't rely on peoples testimonies on forums, I made the same mistake of listening to opinions instead of doing my own homework. There are a lot of politics promoting an agenda. CAFIB standard vs. FCI/CBKC standard. Google them both.What I can tell you, is that the oldest established Fila Brasileiro standard is that of the FCI/CBKC. I've done extensive research on the breed and personally favor this standard. It's common knowledge that Fila's descend from Bloodhounds, the Ancient Bulldog and Mastiffs. In my opinion, CAFIB is some how wanting to deny the Mastiff influence, but as I said, do diligence will settle all this in your own mind!
As far as Eshabeta is concerned, I would advise you to do your own research on this breeder and not rely on dogman alone.
Eshabeta is one of the most respected breeders in the US, you'll be hard pressed to find many negative sentiments regarding this breeder, but again do some investigation and come up with your own analysis.
Good luck, I hope you get the dog you are looking for.
Hi Rugers Kris,
I've owned and been around this breed for many years.
The recommendation I will be giving you is simple. Don't rely on peoples testimonies on forums, I made the same mistake of listening to opinions instead of doing my own homework. There are a lot of politics promoting an agenda. CAFIB standard vs. FCI/CBKC standard. Google them both.What I can tell you, is that the oldest established Fila Brasileiro standard is that of the FCI/CBKC. I've done extensive research on the breed and personally favor this standard. It's common knowledge that Fila's descend from Bloodhounds, the Ancient Bulldog and Mastiffs. In my opinion, CAFIB is some how wanting to deny the Mastiff influence, but as I said, do diligence will settle all this in your own mind!
As far as Eshabeta is concerned, I would advise you to do your own research on this breeder and not rely on dogman alone.
Eshabeta is one of the most respected breeders in the US, you'll be hard pressed to find many negative sentiments regarding this breeder, but again do some investigation and come up with your own analysis.
Good luck, I hope you get the dog you are looking for.
You understand what your getting into. Fila's are not hard to own I dont believe, if your realistic about everything. Unfortunately most folks are not realistic or think they just bought a bull mastiff.
Chuck is right, they are as easy to take car of as any other dog it is the responsibility factor of keeping the dog safe and keeping others safe around your dog.
Absolutely do your own research. There are some CAFIB breedings that I would not recommend as well and I am sure you could get good dogs from non CAFIB stock. I only recommend CAFIB types because of the strict breeding practices and evaluation process to ensure pure bred stock which is something that non CAFIB (CBKC) does not do in their organizations on a regular basis.
The part that the CBKC's (which was not part of FCI at that time) standard being older than CAFIB is NOT true. The CBKC standard changes to fit the dogs currently being bred from time to time and if I'm not mistaken it was changed again somewhere in the 1990s. PSC (Paulo Santos Cruz) was commissioned to write the standard for them when he himself said that he did not have sufficient knowledge about the breed. PSC then became infatuated with the breed, did more research and found that the farm dogs that he found all over the south of Brazil showed the consistency that makes a breed a breed and He is the one that formed the standard of CAFIB as well as help formed the organization. PSC brought this info to CBKC and told them that the first standard he wrote was incorrect and that it needed to be changed... the big $ breeders threatened to form their own organization and they declined to change the standard. After years have went by, instaead of the dogs of CBKC conforming to the standard they had in place they went in different directions while CAFIB dogs stayed uniformed. Eventually the dogs being produced were so far off the standard that instead of CBKC disqualifying those dogs they again fell to the pressure of the big $ kennels and changed the standard to fit what the dogs were looking like at that time.
Unfortunately CAFIB does not advertise the way that non CAFIB organizations do so if you want information they leave it up to you to find it. This is the reason why so many start off with non CAFIB dogs and when they finally get around to doing deep research they are faced with 2 choices... admit they were wrong the first time and start all over again or continue perpetrating the fraud.
In this case you can clearly see that this dog is no fila, maybe not even part fila however as knowledgeable as this breeder claims to be and as good as other have said they are they were unable to see the obvious and bred this dog over and over and over. Now, lets just say that they didnt know better when this dog was being bred... they obviously know now that this dog is no fila which means every single offspring produced by this dog should be culled from any breeding program as it is obviously not a true pure bred fila, right? well they have never attempted to cleanse this bloodline out so they keep perpetrating the fraud by allowing it to continue.
http://www.filadog.com/html docs/foundation/foundation_pg_24.htm
Now on the flip side I have seen quite a few eshabeta dogs and none were quite as bad as this one and more than a few showed very good ojeriza. It is unfortunate that ojeriza itself does not equal pure bred fila. CAFIB is an organization that deals with the preservation of the breed and nothing else. The dog must have ALL the aspects of the breed not just one or 2.
Chuck is right, they are as easy to take car of as any other dog it is the responsibility factor of keeping the dog safe and keeping others safe around your dog.
Absolutely do your own research. There are some CAFIB breedings that I would not recommend as well and I am sure you could get good dogs from non CAFIB stock. I only recommend CAFIB types because of the strict breeding practices and evaluation process to ensure pure bred stock which is something that non CAFIB (CBKC) does not do in their organizations on a regular basis.
The part that the CBKC's (which was not part of FCI at that time) standard being older than CAFIB is NOT true. The CBKC standard changes to fit the dogs currently being bred from time to time and if I'm not mistaken it was changed again somewhere in the 1990s. PSC (Paulo Santos Cruz) was commissioned to write the standard for them when he himself said that he did not have sufficient knowledge about the breed. PSC then became infatuated with the breed, did more research and found that the farm dogs that he found all over the south of Brazil showed the consistency that makes a breed a breed and He is the one that formed the standard of CAFIB as well as help formed the organization. PSC brought this info to CBKC and told them that the first standard he wrote was incorrect and that it needed to be changed... the big $ breeders threatened to form their own organization and they declined to change the standard. After years have went by, instaead of the dogs of CBKC conforming to the standard they had in place they went in different directions while CAFIB dogs stayed uniformed. Eventually the dogs being produced were so far off the standard that instead of CBKC disqualifying those dogs they again fell to the pressure of the big $ kennels and changed the standard to fit what the dogs were looking like at that time.
Unfortunately CAFIB does not advertise the way that non CAFIB organizations do so if you want information they leave it up to you to find it. This is the reason why so many start off with non CAFIB dogs and when they finally get around to doing deep research they are faced with 2 choices... admit they were wrong the first time and start all over again or continue perpetrating the fraud.
In this case you can clearly see that this dog is no fila, maybe not even part fila however as knowledgeable as this breeder claims to be and as good as other have said they are they were unable to see the obvious and bred this dog over and over and over. Now, lets just say that they didnt know better when this dog was being bred... they obviously know now that this dog is no fila which means every single offspring produced by this dog should be culled from any breeding program as it is obviously not a true pure bred fila, right? well they have never attempted to cleanse this bloodline out so they keep perpetrating the fraud by allowing it to continue.
http://www.filadog.com/html docs/foundation/foundation_pg_24.htm
Now on the flip side I have seen quite a few eshabeta dogs and none were quite as bad as this one and more than a few showed very good ojeriza. It is unfortunate that ojeriza itself does not equal pure bred fila. CAFIB is an organization that deals with the preservation of the breed and nothing else. The dog must have ALL the aspects of the breed not just one or 2.
Thanks,I love having more reading material!
i would just find the dogs you like over the standard you like. Thats just me