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My experience with an accidental litter...

maryl

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I would wait before letting visitors in to see the pups until after the babies had their first shots. You an bring parvo and distemper in on your shoes and clothes. You can always send pics by email or facebook.
 

cinnamon roll

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Okay I've been lurking in your thread since it started.
1. I'm dying of puppy fever
2. Thanks for the laughs
3. To you and anyone else that has bred, (Accidentally or intentionally ) you're truly saints.
4. You seriously need to become a writer, your posts are awesome.
 

Iymala

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I would wait before letting visitors in to see the pups until after the babies had their first shots. You an bring parvo and distemper in on your shoes and clothes. You can always send pics by email or facebook.

I plan to vaccinate at 6 weeks which would been the puppies would not have reasonable immunity from that vaccination until 10 to 14 days later at 8 weeks when they go home. I personally feel it is important for puppy owners to meet the parents and the puppies before taking one home if they are able. So, I am doing my best to make sure the puppies are protected. Betty was up to date on her vaccinations and all puppies got a few days of Colostrum from nursing. None have been bottle fed and should have all received some level of protection. On top of that, No shoes will be allowed inside our home from people visiting the puppies, and I will request that they limit interactions with unvaccinated dogs or fecal matter before visiting the puppies. I will also be using hand sanitizer before anyone interacts with the puppies outside our household.

I know that is not perfect, but I am trying to take all reasonable precautions while still allowing potential owners to visit before 8 weeks old. I am most scared of the vet visit for their shots at 6 weeks for contracting disease. I have a wire carrier that they will be traveling in so that no one ever touches the floor....ever.


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Iymala

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Okay I've been lurking in your thread since it started.
1. I'm dying of puppy fever
2. Thanks for the laughs
3. To you and anyone else that has bred, (Accidentally or intentionally ) you're truly saints.
4. You seriously need to become a writer, your posts are awesome.

Thank you for the compliments. I wish more people on the forums were close by so the puppies could have some interaction with knowledgable people, outside of my fianc* and I. We are rotating cuddles, taking 2 out at time, so they each get some cuddles while they are small and used to being around people. We need some more arms for cuddle duty.


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Yamizuma

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My friend uses good old fashioned newspaper for the potty area, and it helps them paper train easier too. It's a lot cheaper than puppy pads, but they do work great too if you can afford them. She can't. Most of her pups start weaning around 4 to 5 weeks. If you're going to have people in before shots...no shoes and surgical gloves along with sanitizer is a possible plan.


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Iymala

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It is soooooo hard to find newspapers now a day. I remember being a kid and we had a whole recycling bin of newspapers. I have considered trying to find a reel of the newspaper blank paper that you can buy at craft stores. Puppy pads are ridiculously expensive. I still have some left over that we bought when Claymore came home years ago and never used. I actually made a 2 giant puppy pad quilts to put under the whelping area to absorb all the ick during the birthing process and they did a good job. I have about 15 or so left of the large ones I think I will start using. I totally forgot they were in the closet waiting.

I need to buy a 10x10 piece of linoleum sometime this week to put down in the new house to protect the floors under the puppy area. I know a store that sells it for 99ct sq/ft and they may even have some cheaper. Figured it would be an easy area to clean up as well.

I was originally going to have everyone dunk the soles of their shoes in a bleach bath, but figured just removing them would be a ton easier, and ruin less shoes. The gloves is a good idea, I keep a good bit of latex gloves around the house for whenever there is something I don't want to touch.... which is fairly often. I was a chef for years so I love thin surgical style latex gloves from the box. I guess that also explains my love for bleach. It is my go to cleaning product.


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Yamizuma

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I just realized I have no idea where you live! The Saturday papers around here in the corner boxes and 7-11s are nice and fat and cheap. Also a number of community papers and real estate publications are free! I save up my office's subscription papers. Maybe a neighbour or friend who still gets the dead tree version can help you out. Walmart here also has some inexpensive puppy pads.


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Yamizuma

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Also, we have Habitat for Humanity Restores that sell Lino remnants for crazy cheap that are usually uuuuuugly, but crazy cheap. Most flooring stores also have roll ends for cheap, cheap, cheap...but don't display them. You might need to sweet talk a sales person with a puppy tale or two.


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Iymala

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Haha, I am in Sierra Vista, AZ. I was thinking about seeing if they had super cheap scrap pieces, but if not $.99 is totally doable.

I was going to try my luck for pads at the farm and feed store, but may check both Amazon (since we have Prime) and Wallyworld. Thanks for the tip!

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Liz_M

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Regarding vet visit for puppy shots - I've read of people bringing the litter to the vet's office, and the vet coming out to the vehicle to do exam and vaccinations right in the vehicle.


Also my vet reserves Wednesdays for home visits, so maybe that's another option?



Craigslist for free/cheap flooring! Post a "want", you will probably get replies.
 
Chucks used for peoples are really similar to puppy pads and a lot cheaper too. It's what they use for patients that are incontinent. You can find them at wal-mart, or like medical supply places. Lots cheaper than piddle pads.
 

TricAP

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Iymala - you're doing a FANTASTIC job! Puppies are adorable demanding time sucking little monsters, both for their fur and human mommies. LOVE all your pictures and especially the stories. I grew up in a family that bred and showed dogs so there were always puppies around to play with and people coming to take them home. As one of my grandfathers always explained to potential buyers for his pups - would you want someone touching your baby if you didn't know where their hands had been? I would caution on the gloves - their little razor piranha teeth will be in soon and will tear right through gloves, JMO but the risk to have them tear off a piece and ingest it would be a risk I'm not sure I'd take.

You mentioned moving to a new house. Any idea about the history of the back yard? Other dogs in the past? Might want to spray it down (if its AZ sand) with a bleach or vinegar solution to kill any virus's before you let the puppies out in it. (I'm a retired chef so know exactly what you mean about bleach being the go to cleaning product. :))

Please keep these posts coming!
 

Iymala

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So I was wrong again.... this is becoming a habit. Since I am basing most of my knowledge on what I can research on the internet and the reading my vet gave me, I am sorely lacking in practical experience. I read that weaning should happen around 5 weeks and that is when the mother would decide it was time. Betty was still feeding the puppies, but I noticed that a handful were getting slender and losing their puppy chub. I've been watching Betty and keeping her locked in with the puppies at night and for periods throughout the day to encourage her to feed them, but I started to suspect she either did not want to or did not have enough milk. I admittedly am not an expert Mastiff milker, so I really cannot tell how much milk she is hiding in there but based on the puppies condition I decided to take a chance. I was cuddling them earlier and noticed their bottom teeth had started coming through.

I mixed some puppy milk replacer (Esbilac, crossing my fingers the large canister holds out till they can eat dry.), a little extra water, and a cup of Earthborn Hollistics Puppy Vantage and let it soak for like 30 minutes. I figured, if they didn't eat it, no big deal and I at least would know if they were ready or not. I didn't want to do puppy mush (pureed milk, dog food, and sometimes other additives) since it is a huge mess, and Betty was still nursing. So I put down the pan, and it was like feeding a group of velociraptors. They stampeded towards the food and dove right in. They started with drinking the liquid up but devoured the entire pan of food and liquid ravenously. I realized after I put it down that the pan was too small for all of them to eat at once, and ran to make another pan of food for them to make sure everyone got some that was hungry.

They are still uncoordinated and felt the need to step in the food pan while they ate, or walk through it to get to the other side. All in all they did not make that big of a mess since it was just soaked kibbled, and I am worrying less about them not getting enough to eat. Looks like we are beginning weaning today. I will offer them another 2 pans at dinner, and then 3 times a day while still allowing Betty to nurse until she is done with that.

Here are some pictures of the insanity:
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I cannot even see the pan...
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They had no shame in crawling right over each other while eating and face planting their siblings into the food.
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Can finally see the food pan...
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Green collar is a dick....
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Added the second pan of food... it needed a bit longer to soak before they were interested in it.
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It is now ready apparently.
 

tmricciuto

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Poor green boy is on your last nerve? They are so cute and you are doing amazing taking care of the life sucking pups. They are lucky to have you.


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Iymala

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Here are the munckins sleeping in their crate this morning after I finished laying down their new bedding.
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They are getting very comfortable with the crate and sleeping in it. They will walk in and out of it on their own which is nice. I really want to desensitize them as much as possible to the crate so that their new families will have an easier time crate training if they choose to do so.

As far as the new rental, it's been sitting vacant for a month, and previous tenants were there for 2 years and did not have dogs. Weirdly it is all grass, an acre and a half of grass out in the desert. Granted, we are the high desert, but still. We would have preferred zero-scaping but this was such a great house and yard we were ok with the grass. Now the dogs will much prefer the grass to the gravel or rocks, and I was just happy to have anything but that horrible red dirt that stains everything it gets near.
 

Iymala

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Poor green boy is on your last nerve? They are so cute and you are doing amazing taking care of the life sucking pups. They are lucky to have you.

Nah, I adore them all. He was just smothering his sister who was eating for no determinable reason. Other than just being a dick.

The blue collar is the most rambunctious and noisy male. The purple collar is the largest female and for the few moments a day she is actually awake is growly and pushy with her siblings. They are still so little and figuring each other out and what is appropriate play that I do not intervene unless someone looks trapped. The purple/red collar is by far the most cuddling. She always seeks me out to come cuddle and be held in my lap.

Thank you for the compliment, it is a huge learning experience, and I am having to listen to my instinct more than I would like. Everyone seems to do it a little differently, and do things at different times. I am just trying to listen to what Betty and the puppies are telling me, and not be overly stressed out about it.
 

cinnamon roll

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I feel it is my DUTY (lol) to help you in your time of need. Please send me a couple of monsters to help you in your time of need. :razzberry:
 

NYDDB

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Oh my goodness- I have been following this thread and I have to say how impressed I am with your facility in "stepping up" and doing above and beyond, really...and that you are recording all of this for others' benefits...(or posterity, lol.)

I am sure I would be way out of my league if this had happened in my place... kudos to you.

They all look so chubby and cute-- so, i guess brindle must be a dominant coat color, as none of them have the fawn?

And have you decided if you will keep a pup? That is, if CR doesn't come in the dead of night and steal them all... :p