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My experience with an accidental litter...

Iymala

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Let me preface this entire topic with the statement, I never intended to be a breeder and certainly never will be again. I cannot say that I am not since there are 8 little, nuggets of stinky puppy breath on the floor next to me. Also...puppies are sadistic parasitic creatures that gleefully suck out your soul and they scare the hell outa me. It is so hard to keep weight on Betty while she is nursing even feeding her 3x more than her normal diet.

Back in August, Betty went into heat, and like normal she had her panties on and we were doing the crate and rotate program that we had done in the past. She was nearing the end of her cycle and Claymore had lost interest, or so I thought. We made the mistake of only having one barrier between them rather than two and like superman he broke out of his crate and tied with Betty. Previously we had crated him and shut the door to the bedroom for extra security, but, like anything else, that one time you slip up... you pay for it.

So we waited, I did not want to do a spay while she was in heat or to abort the puppies. After a month, I was certain she was not pregnant. She was showing no unusual signs or any extra bulging. I thought we got lucky, but I was wrong. Practically over night her boobies started to enlarge and then the next week she ballooned up. There was no mistaking her for having a false pregnancy or not being pregnant at this point.

The poor girl was not at all pleased with her current condition, and around day 50 she was having trouble standing, her hind end was very weak. I, of course, immediately went to the assumption she had eclampsia and urgently called the vet. They got us in quickly, and did a thorough exam. Apparently, I am crazy and she was just a big ole girl who pulled a back muscle. I was extremely happy to be wrong. After a few days the weakness cleared up and she was back to waddling around and laying her big ole belly on the tile floor to stay cool.
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Starting on Day 58 I was taking her temperature 3 times a day waiting for the drop. Poor Betty, I was constantly staring at her and holding my hand on her belly to feel the puppies kick. I had set up a nice whelping room for her in the spare bedroom so that I could sleep next to them at night and hang out with them during the day without keeping my fianc* up all night. I had purchased everything I could think of to help her with the process from kid scissors and dental floss for the umbilical cords (I didn't end up needing the floss to tie anything off, but used the scissors a few times when she was busy cleaning another pup) to sanitizers, more towels and handcloths than anyone needs, and all sorts of other things I ended up, thankfully, not having to use.
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-notice my amazing cardboard handiwork to block off under the bed!

I read everything I could about whelping, from the vet and from the internet, and it is not for the faint of heart or the squemish. Colors and textures of grossness came out of her that I never want to be repeated. Her temp dropped on August 29th and I woke up to puppy squeaks at 7am on August 30th. The first puppy, a male (red), was born. Betty had taken care of everything but seemed almost afraid of it. She was in one corner of her whelping area looking at it like it was an alien. Once I put it on her belly she immediately warmed up to it and started having contractions again. The first three came out one after another pretty quickly. 2 males and 1 female all around 1lb 5 to 7oz.
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She then took a break for about an hour. Then 3 more girls joined the party. Then another break for 3 hours... at this point I thought she was done, but out came 2 more. 1 male and 1 female. She was absolutely exhausted at this point and the vet had said anywhere between 8 and 10 puppies, but could not quite tell due to overlap. She had been still for 4 hours so I put down all fresh bedding and settled in for the night with them. After 4 hours she had some very weak contractions and I thought she needed to expel some retained placentas. I took her outside, and unfortunately she dropped 2 stillborn pups. One male and one female. Both fully developed and healthy looking. I spent 10 minutes on each trying to revive them, but from the moment they slid out unmoving, I did not have much hope. It was really heart wrenching to lose any of the puppies, and she kept looking for them once they were disposed of. That is a memory I would not mind losing.

With the sadness out of the way, I will say she has been an amazing mom.
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Passed out
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Iymala

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Re: A Stressful Parasitic Accident...

Day 1 of Puppy Pictures
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So, for the first week, I completely forgot what sleep was. When I did grab a few hours any puppy chirp would immediately wake me up and cause me to check on them. I felt like I was going crazy. Betty was really great about not smooshing any of them and the whelping area had some bend and give to it since it was a wire play pen. The few times she caught a puppy between the crate and her back they were able to yell (boy, can they yell) and I was to the rescue.

Unfortunately, after a few days of nursing she developed a slight case of Mastitis. She had hard lumps in her breasts, but she was not running a fever and the milk was still flowing clear. I called the vet and they recommended that I keep an eye on her temperature. Of course, the moment the vets office closed, her temperature spiked to 105. That is how it always works I think. I freaked out and got her in the tub with some cool water. I was using a warmed rice sock as a heat compress on the lumps and lightly massaging them to break them up. I, who knows how accurately, assumed that i had broken off some of the bacteria and the body was fighting it, and that is what was causing her fever. I took her temperature the next morning and it was back to 101.8. I was so releived.

Over the next few days the lumps got a little smaller, moved from one teat to the next, and she would have random low grade fevers for an hour or two here to there. The entire time she never stopped nursing or eating and drinking like a horse. I added a little garlic to her food to try to help her fight off the infection (again, who knows if that actually had anything to do with anything) but she came out the other side like nothing was wrong. The puppies are now 2 and a half weeks old and she is still nursing the little savages and cleaning them.

One thing I did read and stressed about was the temperature of the area. Since they were in the guest bedroom, and I choose not to do a heating element, the ambient temperature of the room was 69degrees. Much cooler than the 85-90 degrees suggested. I attempted to turn the temp up to 72 but anything above 69 and Betty was so uncomfortable. Constantly panting from the heat and restless. So the temp stayed low, and the puppies stayed tight to her body.


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Iymala

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So lets talk food. It was one thing I was concerned about since everything I read online was that Betty needed puppy food during the end of her pregnancy and while she was nursing. When I spoke to my vet she recommended the same thing, but I had a few questions. I asked what it was about the puppy food that she specifically needed and the answer was, the increased calories and higher calcium. I asked her if I was feeding a nutrient dense diet if that would be acceptable, and she agreed it was.

Both Betty and Claymore are on Diamond Naturals Extreme Athelete. It is ridiculously high in calories(470), protein(32) and fat(25), and high in calcium. I was struggling to keep weight on them with anything less dense as they are not huge quantity eaters. I decided to stick with it and she is slowly gaining her weight back, while eating close to 4000 calories a day, if not more.

For the puppies, I have chosen Earthborn Hollistics Puppy Vantage to start them on. I love the quality of the food and Betty and Claymore were raised on their grain free lines. They will start getting puppy mush (kibble soaked in milk replacement then pureed) this upcoming Monday after they turn 3weeks.

The puppies at 1 week:
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Around 1.5 weeks
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Iymala

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They opened their eyes at 2weeks and have learned to communicate in new ways. The hilarious cacophony of growls, whines, groans, pig noises, and barks are amazing. Occasionally one will wander off and get pissed and just make this demonic noise. Not sure what that is about.

This is the one I am dying to keep. The red male.
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Claymore and I cuddling with Rams (I am named the Red on Abrams, Rams for short)
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Apparently, Male dogs chew off puppy heads.... thankfully that is not part of Claymore's instinct. Not to mention for the first week and a half Betty would not even let Claymore look at the puppies. She was not fooling around, after 14 hours of labor... no one was chewing of a puppy head.


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Iymala

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A Stressful Parasitic Accident...

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They are starting to toddle around and try to walk like big dogs. It is one of the most adorable things i have ever seen, and they are deceptively fast.
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Iymala

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They got they first de-worming last weekend along with a worming for Betty as well. They were not pleased with that course of events at all, but I got 95% of it down their little gullets so I am chalking that up as a win. They got scheduled for their first vaccinations, exam, and health certificates at 6weeks.

Today I tagged them all with different colors and attempted to take pictures of each one. That was one of the most difficult things I have done lately. They are fast little, determined mole rats.

Here are some of my favorites taken today:

This is the purple girl. She is my favorite of the girls and the largest. Weighed in at 4lbs 7oz at 2weeks old.
*she took the best picture of the bunch
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My Abrams weighed in at 4lbs 10oz at 2 weeks and is super cuddly.
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This was the Purple/Pink girl and I just loved her face in this.
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This is the Green/Pink girl. She is the smallest of the litter and was the only one under 4lbs at 2wks. She was also the smallest at birth, but is steadily gaining.
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This is the purple/red girl. Apparently puppy life is just tooo hard.
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Iymala

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A Stressful Parasitic Accident...

This is the Blue boy, he is the smallest of the boys by an ounce or two. He rarely makes a peep as well. Not like the purple female.... she always has something to say.
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The Green boy is the second largest male and I really adore him. He feels really solid.
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The last is the Blue/Pink girl. She has such an innocent little face. That always translates into trouble.
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I cant wait for them to be out of the mole rat stage so I can get some adorable puppy pictures. It is really neat watching them grow, and they do grow so fast.


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TWW

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Re: A Stressful Parasitic Accident...

Sorry to hear of the losses.

Best wishes with them and finding forever homes.

Great looking pups and momma
 

Liz_M

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Re: A Stressful Parasitic Accident...

Great photos and descriptions, they are adorable and glad Betty is being a good mom.

Look forward to watching the little mole rats grow!
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Re: A Stressful Parasitic Accident...

Having puppies just about makes me puke every time with worry. I am glad that things went well and am sorry for your losses on the little puppies. I agree the puppy pictures are always hard to take but usually if you put some larger stuff animals kinds of stacked around the sides like a staging they can keep the puppies kind of coralled while you get some shots. We do still keep someone close by to grab the fast movers. Not going to lie I hate puppy mush time, it is nice to give mom some peace but that stuff we crazy expensive and smells lol!
 

Iymala

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A Stressful Parasitic Accident...

Having puppies just about makes me puke every time with worry. I am glad that things went well and am sorry for your losses on the little puppies. I agree the puppy pictures are always hard to take but usually if you put some larger stuff animals kinds of stacked around the sides like a staging they can keep the puppies kind of coralled while you get some shots. We do still keep someone close by to grab the fast movers. Not going to lie I hate puppy mush time, it is nice to give mom some peace but that stuff we crazy expensive and smells lol!

I always had a notion that breeding was hard work, but I really had no real understanding. The amount of worry (I am constantly giving Betty a pat down making sure there are no weird bumps or sore areas), I cried my eyes out when she pulled a muscle in her back I was certain she was dying, and the constant watch on those puppies until they really start to move on their own was exhausting. Two and a half weeks later, I am still sleeping in the whelping room with them, but now when Betty traps one under her they are able to wiggle themselves out. Breeders have my utmost respect, and I think you all are a little bit masochistic. There is so much joy and cuteness, but it does not even come close to the stress and worry.

I was shocked at how much the powdered milk replacement was. It was like buying formula for a baby, possibly more expensive. The cost for hand raising a litter must be intense. Heck, this was a huge accident, but even the cost of trying to do everything right after the fact with vet visits, de worming, shots/health certs, and general supplies was high. Add into that I am doing a load of laundry every day to make sure they have clean bedding adds up. There is just so much, especially without a mentor, that people dealing with first time litters cannot really comprehend. All the reading, watching videos, talking to my vet did not really prepare me for the full scope of what was coming. The whole miracle of birth... more like a nightmare. Heck, her pregnancy and whelping went relatively easily compared to some of the horror stories I read about, yet it was still an utterly terrifying experience. If Betty was not such a wonderful mom everything would have been so much worse.

I am just picturing all the puppies covered in the puppy mush, rolling around, and being demons. Eating it.... nah, lets play instead. They are going to be stubborn about it I predict, as they seem to really like nursing. I was being overly worried a day or so after they were born and made a bottle to "top the puppies off", they nixed that idea immediately. Absolutely no interest in anything but the Betty. They were yowling and making general unhappy noises those first 2 days and I thought they were hungry. Apparently they were just practicing their singing voices, and they have some strong voices for such little things. I have no idea how she has enough milk to feed them, they are greedy and vicious while they feed. Yanking, twisting, pawing, and making general demonic noises to add to the effect.

Now off to do some more laundry, make a new, fresh bed area for Betty, and clip those little puppy nails. Those things are like talons and they grow insanely fast. I find myself clipping them every 3-4 days to try to save Betty any discomfort.



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tmricciuto

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Well I'm glad Betty is such a great mom, but she probably won't want to do this again. I understand that at a certain point she will be done nursing them...and then they have no option but to eat the mush (don't quote me on this though). I find it fascinating that all the pups are brindle when the dad is Fawn/apricot (hard for me to tell). I hope you find homes for all of them.
 

Iymala

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Mamma and babies this morning.
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They are getting so big. It is somewhat entertaining to watch them try to strong arm one another over nipples, and there are always a few jerks who fall asleep while eating and take up a spot. I originally tried to help rotate puppies, but it was all in vain. They do what they want. Thankfully everyone is gaining weight at the same pace, so they must have it figured out.

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Iymala

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Well I'm glad Betty is such a great mom, but she probably won't want to do this again. I understand that at a certain point she will be done nursing them...and then they have no option but to eat the mush (don't quote me on this though). I find it fascinating that all the pups are brindle when the dad is Fawn/apricot (hard for me to tell). I hope you find homes for all of them.
I am going to assume she does not, and even if she does, we most certainly do not. A spay is in her very near future and a snip in claymores.

Thankfully, we have had a lot of interest in the puppies. I may end up keeping a female instead due to most wanting a male. I have one of each gender that I am keeping my eye on.

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DDSK

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Wow you must be exhausted like Betty.
Darling little critters, glad it wasn't me I wouldn't let any of them go lol.
I say that now but faced with the reality I'm sure I couldn't wait to be done with all that responsibility.
Good job Mom and Grandma;)
 

Iymala

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Wow you must be exhausted like Betty.
Darling little critters, glad it wasn't me I wouldn't let any of them go lol.
I say that now but faced with the reality I'm sure I couldn't wait to be done with all that responsibility.
Good job Mom and Grandma;)

I am trying not to get too attached, but it's really hard. I care so much for them but have to accept them leaving eventually. I have already told the new owners thay if they ever need boarding or any support I'll be here for them. Hopefully, the majority of them place locally and I'll get to see them grow.

I will be much less stressed once they all find good homes. That is what is keeping me up at night right now.

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Oscar'sMom

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I can't imagine how exhausting that must have been! Your account of it all had me tickled...little mole rats! You did a great job and I'm glad Betty and Claymore and babies are doing well!!
 

Boxergirl

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They're beautiful pups. I have no desire to ever breed. I worry too much as it is and analyze everything. You've done a great job in a difficult situation.
 

tmricciuto

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I love the two little ones in the pic already sleeping on their backs. I guess that preference starts at birth.