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Home Protection

Ripley

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just remember an alarm is not going to do anything to "stop" someone from coming into your home. it isnt of much help to alerting someone sitting behind a desk 50 miles away, when your family is already dead. i for one think they are a big waste of money. you can buy alert systems for your doors and windows at Home Depot for 5 dollars if u want somthing to alert neighbors. teach your wife how to shoot, teach the children how to hide.
 

PresaDogue

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Socialization is key whichever breed is chosen, and it varies dog to dog. My Presa and Dogue both bark, check out who I let in, (sniff etc.) then usually my presa will get a toy and will want to play. And they both love kids, and cant wait for my daughters friends to come over to play. Now of course if the scenario is different and someone is forcably trying to enter my home with or without my family there, there will some problems. Most dogs, Mastiffs especially will flee rather than stand up and fight anyway, and there is no way of knowing what your dog will do unless put in certain, stressful, fight or flight type of situations. I.E. temperament tests etc. I know my Presa when challenged will Not back down, my Dogue however intimidating she might look to some, backed down. Like Jase said in the opening Post, he wants a dog to be able to attack not just stand and bark, so you have to weigh in that need as well. Very few breeds will engage when challenged, again, find a reputable breeder who breeds the "working lines" of the animal, not just for size or conformation.
 

Bentley

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Most if not all of the mastiff breeds have natural guarding instincts, Ben is happy to greet anyone at the door and percieves all humans when on walks as a source of attention and fuss, but if you come downstairs in the middle of the night or otherwise show up unexpectedly there's this moment before he recognises you when you all of a sudden remember what a big dog he is.

From speaking to someone who trains GSD's and Rotties for milatary roles in foreign countries regularly I would reckon that almost any mastiff would be willing to engage an agressive inturder, but for a specific breed I would recommend a presa.
 

dogman#1

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not true..you can believe your dog will protect you but unless you test them and I mean really test them you will not be sure...most will tuck tail and run if the "bad guy" is not scared and comes at them. most of the mastiff breeds have been watered down like mad...the term gentle giant is what comes to mind. you can believe all these people that tell you that their dog would tear someone apart if they came and werent invited but lick you to death if the owner says "they're my friends"...I have this humongous neighbor of mine, he has 2 CCs one is a daughter of some sch2 cc and some fantastic female (dont know cc peds). His dogs go CRAZY at the fence/window/leash ..I put on my bite suit, grabbed my popper and went right into his yard (where they were), in through the back door and walked out through the front door with an oreo cookie that was on top of his table...a show of force means nothing if they dont back it up...dont think your dog will protect, have it tested and know, yours and your families life may depend on it. good luck.
 

PresaDogue

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not true..you can believe your dog will protect you but unless you test them and I mean really test them you will not be sure...most will tuck tail and run if the "bad guy" is not scared and comes at them. most of the mastiff breeds have been watered down like mad...the term gentle giant is what comes to mind. you can believe all these people that tell you that their dog would tear someone apart if they came and werent invited but lick you to death if the owner says "they're my friends"...I have this humongous neighbor of mine, he has 2 CCs one is a daughter of some sch2 cc and some fantastic female (dont know cc peds). His dogs go CRAZY at the fence/window/leash ..I put on my bite suit, grabbed my popper and went right into his yard (where they were), in through the back door and walked out through the front door with an oreo cookie that was on top of his table...a show of force means nothing if they dont back it up...dont think your dog will protect, have it tested and know, yours and your families life may depend on it. good luck.

Well said! Thats why ive had my boy tested already, he passed! : ) My female, (ddb) not tested, but if threatened and had a way out, she would flee, now cornered, she would definitely take a chunk out of you i think. Hope neither of them will be tested in real life. But im their back up, lol, 6'2" 230lbs, 9mm, uh yeah, come in my home, please!!! lol
 

dogman#1

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hell of a back up, lol. I am 5'11 190 lbs with a cheater...H&K P2000 40 cal. with the 2010 CAF IB temp and expo champion I am sure that I am o.k, lol. I hope to God she never has to prove it again but I really feel sorry for the guy/gal that ever thinks my home is an easy score...poor soul.
 

BradA1878

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I just wanted to give my experience regarding the Boerboel breed. I've worked in Boerboel rescue awhile now, and I have done a lot of temperament checks as well as work with people who train BBs for Personal Protection work (not Protection Sports), and I have to say - there are a lot of fear biting and handler aggressive BBs out there.

One should be very careful, especially if importing from South Africa, that they get a BB from a breeder who focuses on producing very stable temperaments in their dogs. I know I waited a LONG time for my BB pup as I wanted to make sure my pup was "true" to the breed description.

The temperament description of the breed sounds wonderful - maybe even perfect - for a home guardian, but I have come to find that the breed's description is the exception and not the rule, unfortunately. :(

I know most of you don't know me (this is my first post), and so I can understand why you may be reluctant to take my advice, but I did just want to share my experience with everyone in case it helped a little.

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dogman#1

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Brad, Thanks for stepping up... I have seen several BBs being tt'ed...not one showed an inkling of protection instinct and the trainer dismissed each and every single one. same thing with CCs although their showings were better. I really like 2 CCs that I have seen but I have seen way too many to say that 2 is a good number...most had 0 defense drive and that is not an instinctual guard dog. dont get it twisted filas are the same way...weak nerves, fear biters, etc. they are also really hard if not impossible to do trained type of pp...dog wont leave your side to get the bad guy 50 meters away and they are hard to "out". There are ofcourse exceptions to the rule but I like to stick with CAFIB dogs because of the consistancy for which they are bred for.

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hold on I forgot there was this one BB that was really good, very good physical conditioning that I saw in Canarcie once...very good.
 

dogman#1

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hold on I forgot there was this one BB that was really good, very good physical conditioning that I saw in Canarsie once...very good.
 

BradA1878

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Yea, I love CCs (I own one), but I agree with you. The temperament of the breed is all over the place.

When I was doing my research before I purchased Blue (CC) I tried to meet as many examples of the breed as possible, and I went to some ATTS tests and was a little disappointed - not really surprised - but disappointed. What I saw, and this is purely anecdotal, was that the bulk of the breed seemed to be split in 4 ways: Sporty, Fearful, low-drive, and acceptable... With the minority falling in the "acceptable" category.I saw a lot of dogs with nice sporty drive - loved to bite the sleeve - but lacked civil aggression and took little (or no) civil pressure before breaking. The fearful CCs I saw put on a good show, but would cull at the slightest pressure from the decoy, and the low-drive dogs just didn't have it in them to protect.

The BB is similar, but, as you mentioned, more fall into the "low-drive" or "fearful" category. It's sad, really... but the breed is pretty young still.

I do know of a few people with some great PPD BBs (and CCs), and when you get a good BB - one with what it would take to be a PPD they are bad a$$! :)

We have the same issue in Caucasian Ovcharka too - tho we have zero "sporty" dogs. There are a lot of fearful COs and so often their fear displays are thought to be protective instinct... Gets a lot of COs in trouble, unfortunately.

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dogman#1

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yea, we got similar issues with the filas except ours are due to mix breeding....that is our number one issue with filas, way too many mix breeders to the point that they dont even resemble filas anymore...very sad
 

CaneCorso

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hell of a back up, lol. I am 5'11 190 lbs with a cheater...H&K P2000 40 cal. with the 2010 CAF IB temp and expo champion I am sure that I am o.k, lol. I hope to God she never has to prove it again but I really feel sorry for the guy/gal that ever thinks my home is an easy score...poor soul.
HKs are nice guns, I prefer Glock:p. LOL. You have some very nice Filas by the way. I really enjoy watching your dogs work.Keep up the good work.
 

babyjoemurphy

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I have a 2 1/2 yr old EM. Being that I live in Canada we are left with not much protection tools without getting ourselves in hot water. I love having a dog for protection being my husband travels 90% of the year for work. With that said, I love my EM for the "heads up" he gives me if there is something outside. I would NOT want him to attack unless it was life or death. It would mean death for him if he bite the bad guy and seriously hurt/killed him. Not something I want to happen.
I want the ability to take care of my kids/dog/myself and I feel sorry for the idiot that comes into "mama bears" house. As stated above, if someone wants in and ignores the bark from the "bowels of hell" then no dog big or small will stop them.
I feel Murphy would do a great job, but I would prefer him NOT to bite!
If it came down to it "all bets are off" and chances are I'd be in hot water for using "excessive force" lol
 

Robtouw

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I've owned four EM's and I will tell you that while they look intimidating it is not in their nature to be "attack" dogs. They will guard the people they love and will sound off but normally do not attack. For example: My last OEM was about 185lbs. A very stupid vaccuum cleaner salesman took a wrong turn and ended up on our private road. He ignored the signs on my electric gates and entered the walk thru gate. I had left Buddy outdoors for a bit and ran to the store. When I came back this idiots van was blocking our entrance. I had to walk up to the front porch, quite a long ways in the heat and was not happy. This guy was standing facing our front door sweating buckets and shaking. Buddy was laying on the ground at the bottom step. The guy begged me to put my dog in so he could leave. I asked why he entered even though the sign said no soliciting, beware of dog, dont feed fingers to the horses, etc. he said he was here and figured he would try anyway. He knocked on the door, turned to leave and there was Buddy. Each time he stepped towards the steps to leave Buddy stood & growled. When he stepped back, Buddy laid back down. This had been going on about 45 minutes. I told him that he would have to walk past him to get to the gate. I pulled Buddy away from the steps and the guy slowly walked the long way to his van. Buddy followed about 5ft behind him the entire way!

I would suggest a cane corso or Boerbel if you want a more aggressive dog. However, all mastiffs have size as an intimidation factor and your dog regardless of breed will act based on their training if trained well. My czec rotti was trained by the German Police Dept in Griesheim Germany to act on my emotions and take a person to the ground if I ask. Otherwise he was extremely loving and gentle. And I did four years after his training have to ask him to take down a pitt bull that attacked me in my front yard in my last neighborhood. It was a nasty, bloody scene that ended with me having 16 stitches in my hands. Rollie had a few stitches, but was able to lock his jaws on the pitts neck and pinned him until my husband took "care" of it. The sherrif that responded was totally surprised at how calm and loving Rollie was immediately after the incident. All of his attention was focused on me once the pitt was dead he immediately dismissed it and began looking me over. The pitt had been detained twice before for escaping and biting. I do have to state that Rollie had 18 impact months of core training, it was not easy. But I never once had to worry about his attitude towards me or any of my family, guests or other pets. What ever breed you decide, if it is for protection I encourage and plead that you have it trained responsibly and respectfully.
 

AdrianVall

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I've owned four EM's and I will tell you that while they look intimidating it is not in their nature to be "attack" dogs. They will guard the people they love and will sound off but normally do not attack. For example: My last OEM was about 185lbs. A very stupid vaccuum cleaner salesman took a wrong turn and ended up on our private road. He ignored the signs on my electric gates and entered the walk thru gate. I had left Buddy outdoors for a bit and ran to the store. When I came back this idiots van was blocking our entrance. I had to walk up to the front porch, quite a long ways in the heat and was not happy. This guy was standing facing our front door sweating buckets and shaking. Buddy was laying on the ground at the bottom step. The guy begged me to put my dog in so he could leave. I asked why he entered even though the sign said no soliciting, beware of dog, dont feed fingers to the horses, etc. he said he was here and figured he would try anyway. He knocked on the door, turned to leave and there was Buddy. Each time he stepped towards the steps to leave Buddy stood & growled. When he stepped back, Buddy laid back down. This had been going on about 45 minutes. I told him that he would have to walk past him to get to the gate. I pulled Buddy away from the steps and the guy slowly walked the long way to his van. Buddy followed about 5ft behind him the entire way!

I would suggest a cane corso or Boerbel if you want a more aggressive dog. However, all mastiffs have size as an intimidation factor and your dog regardless of breed will act based on their training if trained well. My czec rotti was trained by the German Police Dept in Griesheim Germany to act on my emotions and take a person to the ground if I ask. Otherwise he was extremely loving and gentle. And I did four years after his training have to ask him to take down a pitt bull that attacked me in my front yard in my last neighborhood. It was a nasty, bloody scene that ended with me having 16 stitches in my hands. Rollie had a few stitches, but was able to lock his jaws on the pitts neck and pinned him until my husband took "care" of it. The sherrif that responded was totally surprised at how calm and loving Rollie was immediately after the incident. All of his attention was focused on me once the pitt was dead he immediately dismissed it and began looking me over. The pitt had been detained twice before for escaping and biting. I do have to state that Rollie had 18 impact months of core training, it was not easy. But I never once had to worry about his attitude towards me or any of my family, guests or other pets. What ever breed you decide, if it is for protection I encourage and plead that you have it trained responsibly and respectfully.


Wow.. that is one heck of a rotti !! Haha crazy stuff! I love to see working rotti's. Those are some scary dogs.

Bonez, my 19 month old male English Mastiff, is SUPER protective. He viciously barks at anyone he doesn't know. Socializing is very difficult because of how protective he can be. Its quite intense.
 

Mooshi's Mummy

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A Tibetan Mastiff may also be a consideration. They are loving and aloof at the same time, loyal and protective without being a 'worry'. They accept your people, which means people you allow in to your home but I wouldnt want to try and cross the line when not invited. Their bark alone is a big enough deterant to anyone thinking of entering your home uninvited. The TM was bred and still works as a flock guardian and an excellent one they are. They make a lovely pet, goofy and loving but they know their job. When we went to pick up our puppy my husband left without his bag so went back to the breeders house, got to the fence and shouted for her, my husband had his hand on the gate and the puppies mother came bounding over with the breeder in the background yelling 'move your hand'. We had only been there a minute before, played with the mother, played with the pups, had snuggles and kisses from the mother but once we were past the boundry of the gate she was back doing her job. Our TM will let you put your hand over our fence if one of us is in the garden with her but I wouldnt recommend trying it without myself or my husband there to give permission. Our dogs (TM and Akita) are NEVER left unattended whilst loose on our property. Not only for their security (our Akita would sooner kiss you to death) but for that of silly people.
 

Duke

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Duke is 4 months old and is already VERY protective and territorial. If anyone he doesnt know comes around he immediately stands his ground as if he's preparing for battle. He's pretty good with the kids so far.. his snapped at my son a couple of times and was immediately corrected...my son is very rough and hands on with Duke and sometimes he may put a little too much weight on him and Duke would kinda freak but has since gotten used to my sons rough housing.

I took the kids and Duke for a walk the other day and a neighboor had some painters working...one of them was walking behind us in the alley and as soon as Duke realized he let out a terrifying growl and totally erected his posture towards the painter...lol the painter freaked. at this age most people assume he's a boxer because of the tail...no super scary looking but scary enough.
 

joshuagough

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Belgian Malinois - not sure why I typed German..

There's a reason why 99% of world military and special ops along with 90% of the US police agencies use this breed for protection/bite training/guarding ?

Tested tried and true, this is the only breed created with the sole purpose to defend against man, ever seen one work? They are amazing dogs.

Be blessed!
 
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