Si got to do his job today

[jeff 1]

Si is a happy boy today. He killed his third coyote since I been trapping them again

 

[musicdeb]

Those are some handsome pups! Good job, Si!

 

[glen]

Look at there muscle tone they are stunning, good job Si.

 

[Al and Julie]

Si is a happy boy today. He killed his third coyote since I been trapping them againView attachment 52179[/QU

very nice. look at those muscles

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[Bailey's Mom]

They are magnificent. I have a question, did you trap the coyote first or did he catch the animal all on his own? We have coyotes here, but my girl is such a softee, I wouldn't knowingly allow an encounter. The smell of them sends her into a rage. They are dangerous and have been known to lure a dog out and attack as a pack. Still, your fellow probably has 60 lbs on my girl and is better able to defend himself, and I see he has back-up. They are indeed formidable.

 

[jeff 1]

I trap them first. The boerboels are not fast enough to catch them. If the coyotes are in my field, my 70 lb. pit bull can catch one once and awhile. She is getting to old now to catch them so I trap them. I let Sid or Si on them and they finish the job. I've had a jack Russell taken out of my field right out front of me and a six month old draft horse 1/4 eaten one morning. My pit bull has chased and caught one that was in a pack of about eight, and the the other coyotes were scared and ran off. I wouldn't worry to much about 100 plus pound boerboel with a pack of coyotes if the dog knows what he doing.

They are magnificent. I have a question, did you trap the coyote first or did he catch the animal all on his own? We have coyotes here, but my girl is such a softee, I wouldn't knowingly allow an encounter. The smell of them sends her into a rage. They are dangerous and have been known to lure a dog out and attack as a pack. Still, your fellow probably has 60 lbs on my girl and is better able to defend himself, and I see he has back-up. They are indeed formidable.

 

[DMikeM]

I do not agree with this at all. Trapping an animal and letting a dog attack and kill it is not humane. Couldn't you just dispatch the Coyote with a gun and be done with it?

 

[Bailey's Mom]

Ah, yes, the reason for my question. It smacks of the old bull/bear baiting days. In a fair fight, protecting his family...That's Nobel. To catch the beast and let yours slay him, No Matter The Provocation (6 month old draft horse), is barbaric. The mercy would be to slay it with a gun, at close range...a killing shot. One suspects you have guns. Trust me, your dogs know their duty, they don't need a fixed fight. Heaven help them if they think it's this easy. Coyotes take down much larger prey. Pumped up with his previous successes, he could get hurt when faced with the real thing...and the real thing has brought the pack for back up.

I've always considered it instructive that the dogs protecting the farm don't run off to confront the wailing coyotes, but it is prudent...being led away could lead to their deaths. Hell, a dog alone, even a big one, is just meals on wheels.

 

[jeff 1]

I do not agree with this at all. Trapping an animal and letting a dog attack and kill it is not humane. Couldn't you just dispatch the Coyote with a gun and be done with it?

I don't own a gun(personal reason). I can either let it starve to death, kill it with a baseball bat or let my dog do his job on my working farm

 

[Bailey's Mom]

I suggest you team up with a trapper and let him deal with it for it's pelt. I'd check state and federal laws concerning the disposal of wild animals...just a guess, but you've probably broken about six laws. Here, in Canada, there'd be hell to pay. You can get a licence to shoot them for bounty in rural areas, but the "niceties" must be observed: it's supposed to be as humane as possible.

You don't need a big gun for this, and being on a working farm that has livestock (horses), I'm surprised you don't own a 22 just to deal with gophers/groundhogs. A horse I used to ride died after stepping in a groundhog hole and broke his leg. They didn't find him for days...nature took its course. Doing the deed yourself can't be any more offensive than seeing an animal being ripped to death while fighting for its life...or, and more disturbing, watching your pet devolve into a killer.

 

[jeff 1]

I live on 100acres. Ten of it is opened up where my field, home and barn is at. Ninety is all woods. I only trap on ten acres, coyotes have my ninety acres to hunt on. The only reason they come on my ten acres where my barn is, is to kill. That's not going to happen! Many barbaric things happen on farms sometimes. If you are worried about barbaric things, I hope you don't eat meat. My dogs interact well with other dogs, there not killers. they just don't like coyotes. I have no groundhogs, my pitbull kills them. Just a dog doing its job. I told you already that I don't own a gun. I love my dogs. They are pets but also working animals. That's what a boerboel is. I use to own Neapolitans at one time, awesome pets but won't do a days work, that's why I don't own any of them anymore. And about breaking six laws, I was doing ten miles an hour over the speed limit today, so that makes it seven laws I broke

 

[Bailey's Mom]

I like my steak and my chicken and who could live without bacon?!, but efficiently dispatching animals so that they can grace my plate is far different from this unnecessary cruelty. Watching an animal be ripped apart puts you in a whole other class of human. Unnecessary is the kindest word I can think of, but perhaps there is another reason you bring this bloodsport to the Forum, looking for friends, are you? Like minded individuals who would love to visit you and take part - betting - on this perversion? Oh, I have no doubt the trolls will be out to help you break a few more laws. You're a regular Jessie James.... Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't believe in guns.

 

[jeff 1]

First off I don't take pictures of it , I don't video it, I don't call up friends to watch and I don't show my kids. It's just another day on the farm. I didn't say I didn't believe in guns, I said I didn't own one. I didn't, realize that this was going to offend people. If I thought it would have I never would have posted it . I don't think the attack on me and calling me names was nessessary. I have working dogs and I'm on a working site. The Dogo part of this site shows pictures of dogos killing pigs. Sorry if I offended anybody.

I like my steak and my chicken and who could live without bacon?!, but efficiently dispatching animals so that they can grace my plate is far different from this unnecessary cruelty. Watching an animal be ripped apart puts you in a whole other class of human. Unnecessary is the kindest word I can think of, but perhaps there is another reason you bring this bloodsport to the Forum, looking for friends, are you? Like minded individuals who would love to visit you and take part - betting - on this perversion? Oh, I have no doubt the trolls will be out to help you break a few more laws. You're a regular Jessie James.... Oh, wait, I forgot, you don't believe in guns.

 

[jeff 1]

This is what coyotes do in a neighborhood never mind what they do in farming landhttp://youtu.be/C0qpJtMskyA[/video]

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Coyotes are nasty, horrible animals. Personally, I would shoot and kill them but Jeff has said many times, he doesn't own a gun so if his option are to beat it to death or let the dogs take care of it and feel as though they have done a job, so be it. I see many people go crazy over stuff like this......Farm life is a very different life than most of us have any idea of and many things that happen on a farm will upset those of us that have a fenced in back yard in a nice little neighborhood. The Coyotes will kill the animals on this farm unless dealt with so trapping makes sense to me........how he handles it after that is a personal decision. I don't think what he has posted deserves the name calling or implications of any "perversion". A little overboard in my opinion and I am NOT a troll.

Also, I am very much a meat eater, ewlizbat......but if you believe for a single second that the meat "gracing your plate" was efficiently or humanely put there....you should research a bit more.

We should all learn to agree to disagree without attacking a person for doing what we don't agree with.

 

[NYDDB]

Coyotes are nasty, horrible animals. Personally, I would shoot and kill them but Jeff has said many times, he doesn't own a gun so if his option are to beat it to death or let the dogs take care of it and feel as though they have done a job, so be it. I see many people go crazy over stuff like this......Farm life is a very different life than most of us have any idea of and many things that happen on a farm will upset those of us that have a fenced in back yard in a nice little neighborhood. The Coyotes will kill the animals on this farm unless dealt with so trapping makes sense to me........how he handles it after that is a personal decision. I don't think what he has posted deserves the name calling or implications of any "perversion". A little overboard in my opinion and I am NOT a troll.

Also, I am very much a meat eater, ewlizbat......but if you believe for a single second that the meat "gracing your plate" was efficiently or humanely put there....you should research a bit more.

We should all learn to agree to disagree without attacking a person for doing what we don't agree with.

Kris, I couldn't agree more. I was thinking about how to respond to this post...you basically put into words what I had been thinking.

Coyotes are a pest and a menace...and on a working farm need to be dispatched. Why is it more ethical to let the dogs kill a coyote freely, or when it is trapped? There is going to be brutality no matter what; it's never pretty when one animal kills another...

And this is from a city girl...but I do understand that farm life is different. Very different.

jeff 1: your Boerboels are gorgeous animals. Please keep posting (especially pics.)

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Thank you, Suanne! I was waiting for an attack on my reply and that was ok. It is nice to see that there is someone else on here that understand that not everyone does things the same way as the other. I say as long as the nasty, vile creatures are dead.....I am happy. I think it is a plus that the dogs get to handle it and feel they have a job. Jeff, I also got caught up in the silliness of the responses and forgot to mention that your dogs are absolutely magnificent. I love to see a nice, healthy, strong, muscled animal. I work really hard with mine to keep mine in the best physical condition possible although at the moment I live in town so this is done by being creative rather than them having an actual "job". Ruger is the most amazing protector I have ever met so that is his job and he does it very well.

Kris, I couldn't agree more. I was thinking about how to respond to this post...you basically put into words what I had been thinking.

Coyotes are a pest and a menace...and on a working farm need to be dispatched. Why is it more ethical to let the dogs kill a coyote freely, or when it is trapped? There is going to be brutality no matter what; it's never pretty when one animal kills another...

And this is from a city girl...but I do understand that farm life is different. Very different.

jeff 1: your Boerboels are gorgeous animals. Please keep posting (especially pics.)

 

[Al and Julie]

We live in the country and they are a menace. I wouldnt put my dogs up against them but they do not have the muscle mass your dogs have. I do expect them to at least warn me or scare them off if he is alone. If this is the way you choose to get rid of them, it is up to you they are your dogs. p.s. They look great.
It is so true that we do not know how the beef or chicken is killed or even how our milk is produced not physically hurtful but emotional for the cow.

 

[TricAP]

Unless we've been in someones shoes its best not to judge. As a farmers daughter and current rural land owner I couldn't agree with you more Jeff 1. Farm life is hard, harsh and has realities that offend some peoples sensibilities. Unfortunately as a society we are so far removed from where our food comes from and the reality of what wild creatures are capable of its tragic. Coyotes are wild animals that adapt and do whatever it takes to survive. IMO you are simply protecting your own. In many parts of the country they are decimating livestock and becoming a safety issue even in urban areas.

Your dogs are amazing in the muscle tone - great photo.

 

[DMikeM]

This is just cruel blood sporting and ego boosting not even a bit shy of dog baiting. I get coyotes around my area and they have done damage or taken pets from people stupid enough to let them roam. But if I was to dispatch them I would try to do it as humanely as possible. Even the 2 that jumped my fence got away alive and Jade was all over them. Jade is about half the size of Jeff's dogs and she can keep them away.

If Jeff's dogs were doing their job he would not need to trap at all. it is the job they were bred to do. If your Boerboel can't chase off a coyote or 2 get a Kangal or a TM. But sending a dog into a pen or against one tied to a post is just cruelty. If you live on a ranch and have a personal issue against guns you might be living the wrong life.