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season

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Not an easy situation I know. I feel for u.


"Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."
- Miyamoto Musashi
 

OdinBB

Well-Known Member
Have u thought about sending him away for rehab? Like a guy like Jeff Gelman? He deals with these scenarios all the time. "Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."- Miyamoto Musashi
Yes I have, we just can't afford it. And I just can't pass the fact that after all the training he may not overcome this and I couldn't forgive myself if he ended up hurting or killing someone. I know that is pretty extreme, but look what he did, he viciously attacked his little sister who he loved so very much. Season, I do appreciate your concern you are showing for my Odin, I really do but I don't think he can overcome this. Believe me, I have called trainers/behaviorist, people working with rescues and my family vet and they all say euthanizing is the way to go. My vet who is not for euthanizing and how I know this is when I had Tyson, my pit/rot mix she was hesitant about the idea of euthanizing, not jumping into it and wanting to ensure it was the right thing for him. I went through a lot of tests but his cushings was just too out of control. He was 10 when I put him to sleep, and my vet was hesitant, she is not for the procedure and will not recommend it. She even refused to euthanize a dogs, she does not just throw that idea out there if she doesn't really feel it necessary.
 

BAMCB

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I saw u said "I want to ensure it is the right thing and I am not cutting his life short without looking at all the options". Well I know u are getting a lot of advice to put the dog down. I simply don't agree with that. So if u are willing to look at other options why not a Jeff Gellman or Sean O'Shea? Jeff has saved many "aggressive" dogs. Dogs with bite history. This isn't a sales pitch but advice. Your dog could change. But along with that you and your family would need to change how u live with the dog. That's what failed your dog. It can be done. But it's not my call. "Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."- Miyamoto Musashi
This may be a stupid question but do you think a trainer who you suggested would take Odin to rehab if he was turned over to them?OdinBB- Would you even consider something like this?
 

OdinBB

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I saw u said "I want to ensure it is the right thing and I am not cutting his life short without looking at all the options". Well I know u are getting a lot of advice to put the dog down. I simply don't agree with that. So if u are willing to look at other options why not a Jeff Gellman or Sean O'Shea? Jeff has saved many "aggressive" dogs. Dogs with bite history. This isn't a sales pitch but advice. Your dog could change. But along with that you and your family would need to change how u live with the dog. That's what failed your dog. It can be done. But it's not my call. "Today is victory over yourself of yesterday."- Miyamoto Musashi
Season, please don't take this the wrong way when I ask you this because there is no ill feelings behind it and not looking to offend you. Do you have children of your own? I cannot and will not chance him around my children again. I play back what happened and it truly scares me, he was so vicious and was trying hard to hurt my baby. I just can't risk it, because I also have to remind myself that if I didn't react the second I did I would be saying goodbye to my little girl. That is not worth it to me. I love my Odin, I truly truly do but I love my children more. And yes I do realize I have failed Odin, and it hurts my heart more then you can imagine but I cannot control the past, I can only control what is in front of me. My decision now is not only going to affect my family but it could potentially affect someone else's. I cannot risk someone else's child I just can't. I really don't take this decision lightly, and I'm def not jumping into anything but I know what needs to be done. It may not be what you or a lot of people want to hear but I am sorry you weren't there, you can't really understand what happened, no one but my children, Odin, and I. Again, I do appreciate your concern for my boy I really do, but I do not think he can be to the point where he could be trusted, he may be able to be managed, but the way he would have to be managed is no life to live. There would be very little to hardly no human contact at all, it would be so lonely.
 

OdinBB

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This may be a stupid question but do you think a trainer who you suggested would take Odin to rehab if he was turned over to them?OdinBB- Would you even consider something like this?
I don't know, I would have to really think about it, but I would def not let him back in my home.
 

teodora

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OdinBB, you're not responsible of anything AFTER he's taken over by a professional, this is what specialized k9 behaviorists are for. You transfer the responsibility: legally and ethically. It's something to consider: to give him (for good!) to a professional who is able to manage him and make informed decisions about Odin. Odin would be given a chance, the trainer would get an awesome young dog, and you won't risk anything.PTS, "humanely" or not, is still killing. No matter how many flowers you put around it.
 

Yamizuma

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Clearly I have missed key parts of the story here...but here's my 2 cents...it probably would be a horrible idea for this dog to be back in your house..but...Best thing you can do is help find it a wonderful family with no other beings that would be under undue risk. Don't think it would be too lonely or that no other human contact would be safe. Life with even just one human to love is even better than some humans get.


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teodora

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what we don't take into consideration here is that the dog DIDN'T maul/kill anyone: it's just an assumption that he would have/could do it. And the assumption was not made by a professional. It's very subjective. It's very easy to over react when you see or think you your dog's aggression towards you - I've done it myself. I think the fair thing to do would be to give him to a professional dog behaviorist. So far, we discuss about "would have bitten". At least this is in the first post on this topic.
 

Hector

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He might have. If the OP wasn't strong enough to hold him back, what would he have done? Going off of the OP's description of the dog at that moment, the dog wasn't going to snap out of it himself. He wasn't himself.
 

Boxergirl

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Contact was made. She says the child had four stitches on her ear and blood on her forehead at an earlier time from something the dog did. Quarantine is required if the skin is broken, not just for lunging.
 

teodora

Well-Known Member
"Going off of the OP's description of the dog at that moment" - that's exactly why I would have him evaluated by a professional resource. The facts are, he didn't bite. The owner's perception is that the dog can't be trusted. Obviously the dog can't live in that family anymore. If he needs to be killed or not - I would delegate the decision to somebody who knows better or at least can try to investigate further.
 

teodora

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that's debatable as well: in the first post 9and I did read it several times) - there wasn't any bite mentioned. It was just that the dog "lunged" and "tried" - again, if this type of dog really "tried" while the owner left the room to take a leash... what prevented him from doing it? My inderstanding was that there was nobite - or at least not recently. And if historically there was one, was it addressed at that time?
 

OdinBB

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what we don't take into consideration here is that the dog DIDN'T maul/kill anyone: it's just an assumption that he would have/could do it. And the assumption was not made by a professional. It's very subjective. It's very easy to over react when you see or think you your dog's aggression towards you - I've done it myself. I think the fair thing to do would be to give him to a professional dog behaviorist. So far, we discuss about "would have bitten". At least this is in the first post on this topic.
Ok Teodora, he did not maul/kill that is correct but you weren't there and don't pass judgment like you were. I am not assuming anything, he viciously attacked my little girl and he continued to try when I pulled him off. He would have seriously hurt her if not killed her if I wasn't there. I am NOT overreacting and I have tried to give him to trainers and they wouldn't take him, they said that he should be put down.
 

OdinBB

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I did not leave the room to get a leash, I calmed him down enough to put his leash back on him and had him controlled at ALL times. And what do you mean by "someone who knows better"? And yes the first time I told the story I left out that bit her but believe me he bit her.
 

teodora

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OdinBB, it's nothing personal against you in this post: I am just talking facts. Facts are not that he didn't kill: he didn't bite. Your perception that "he would have" is different than "he did". If you left the room to take a leash and he kept "trying" - again, what prevented him from doing it? Trainers and vets did see and evaluate HIM?