Has anyone received a quote from ObamaCare yet?

[thelady_v2010]

The Taliban. The end.

Well, they didn't start OIF. And I went to a dozen funerals and had to miss a dozen more. I still live OIF every day. It isn't an argument you can win with me.

 

[Sadies Mom]

Excuse my ignorance.... OIF?

 

[thelady_v2010]

Excuse my ignorance.... OIF?

Operation Iraqi Freedom (I, II, III, etc etc). My husband fought infantry in 2 OIF rotations and 1 OEF rotation (Operation Enduring Freedom). I am bitter, he is bitter and we both have a right to be. He left over 2 dozen dead comrades behind. We live with survivor's guilt every day. I actively HATE GWB for OIF and there is nothing anyone can say, no one can bring those men back home.

 

[Cody]

Chuck, check out the discussion forums about Canadian health care to get an idea of what I was talking about.... over 2 yrs for a hip replacement in some cases.... yea I guess you won't die but you cant walk w/o it, lol
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Sorry but I had to respond to this as I sit here in Canada with my universal health care Dogman, yes in some cases in Canada there are long waits. Maybe 2 years for a hip replacement IF it is not an emergency. Not being able to walk however, is and would be considered an emergency and the wait time would be dramatically cut down. So you would get the hip replacement, the physiotherapy and care needed after that replacement and you would owe nothing... Maybe there is a wait for non emergency procedures, and maybe those with the money will go to the states and pay to avoid that wait, that being said it is the same wait for everyone. Going on 3 years ago my husband got very sick, was hospitalised for close to 2 weeks and was on a home IV for months. We didn't lose our home, we didn't go bankrupt. Enough said. The funny thing about those forums that tell the horrors of the Canadian Health Care System is it is primarily Americans talking about how bad it is here in Canada. I pay around 90$ a month for my insurance, which covers 80% of my families prescriptions, dental and eyewear, my husband has the same meaning we are 100% covered for any and all visits to the pharmacy, dentist, eye Dr... as well as Physiotherapists, Chiropractors and I believe each of us has 500$/per person per year for massage. I am proud of my Country's Health Care, I am over joyed to have it. I understand the cost is upsetting, but I have never understood the American refusal of a universal health care plan. It seems, at the risk of pissing a few off here, that there is an ingrained fear that taking care of all citizens by allowing equal rights to health care will somehow tear the fabric of your society. Most other civilized country's have a health care system in place, and they are not crumbling due to it. Just my 2 cents

 

[Kelly]

Totally agree Cody. I haven't followed this thread, just read this page. I too do not understand the refusal to accept universal health care. boggles the mind, really.
Can u imagine if you had a job, had healthcare with said job, had a baby with serious health issues, lost your job and benefits and then BAM! Baby has preexisting conditions, coverage is now refused. that just blows my mind.

 

[angelbears]

A couple of years ago I actually heard either Glen Beck or it might have been Rush, talking about how Canadians had to go to vet clinics just to get e-rays or ultrasounds done because the wait was so long.

I was laughing my ass off. Unfortunately, you have people that believe that shit. It is truly mind blowing how the sheep follow and believe crap like that.

 

[Cody]

Yes AB, but usually we take the dog sled team in at the same time so is cheaper It is booking the appointments by smoke signals that can get tedious

 

[Kelly]

Lol I've never had to go to vet for medical care, haha. never heard of anyone doing that either.

 

[angelbears]

Yes AB, but usually we take the dog sled team in at the same time so is cheaper It is booking the appointments by smoke signals that can get tedious

ROFLMAO!!! I still worry about my Canadian neighbors. If global warming continues where will ya'll live. Those igloos are going to melt faster than you can build them.

 

[joshuagough]

Thanks to you and your husband for your service. Wives of military spouses are just as much hero's in my book.

Operation Iraqi Freedom (I, II, III, etc etc). My husband fought infantry in 2 OIF rotations and 1 OEF rotation (Operation Enduring Freedom). I am bitter, he is bitter and we both have a right to be. He left over 2 dozen dead comrades behind. We live with survivor's guilt every day. I actively HATE GWB for OIF and there is nothing anyone can say, no one can bring those men back home.

 

[joshuagough]

Only thing that Canada does better than the US is play hockey, GO AV'S.. I might add.

Sorry but I had to respond to this as I sit here in Canada with my universal health care Dogman, yes in some cases in Canada there are long waits. Maybe 2 years for a hip replacement IF it is not an emergency. Not being able to walk however, is and would be considered an emergency and the wait time would be dramatically cut down. So you would get the hip replacement, the physiotherapy and care needed after that replacement and you would owe nothing... Maybe there is a wait for non emergency procedures, and maybe those with the money will go to the states and pay to avoid that wait, that being said it is the same wait for everyone. Going on 3 years ago my husband got very sick, was hospitalised for close to 2 weeks and was on a home IV for months. We didn't lose our home, we didn't go bankrupt. Enough said. The funny thing about those forums that tell the horrors of the Canadian Health Care System is it is primarily Americans talking about how bad it is here in Canada. I pay around 90$ a month for my insurance, which covers 80% of my families prescriptions, dental and eyewear, my husband has the same meaning we are 100% covered for any and all visits to the pharmacy, dentist, eye Dr... as well as Physiotherapists, Chiropractors and I believe each of us has 500$/per person per year for massage. I am proud of my Country's Health Care, I am over joyed to have it. I understand the cost is upsetting, but I have never understood the American refusal of a universal health care plan. It seems, at the risk of pissing a few off here, that there is an ingrained fear that taking care of all citizens by allowing equal rights to health care will somehow tear the fabric of your society. Most other civilized country's have a health care system in place, and they are not crumbling due to it. Just my 2 cents

 

[joshuagough]

We already have that without ACA, it's call indigent care. This happens more times than most know and the babies do get care.

Study up on US insurance, the foundation of how it was laid.. if you have not, you go to

1. Family
2. Your place of worship (Church)
3. Community

Now the thought process is, we have not "turn to the government".. so if they control health care.. what else do you think they can control?

Mmmmmmhmmm.. If memory serves me correctly not one Republican voted for the ACA, they laid out what was to come.. and so far 1 by 1 it's coming to life. Again I don't agree with every Republican nor Dem but this clown in office needs to go.

Totally agree Cody. I haven't followed this thread, just read this page. I too do not understand the refusal to accept universal health care. boggles the mind, really.
Can u imagine if you had a job, had healthcare with said job, had a baby with serious health issues, lost your job and benefits and then BAM! Baby has preexisting conditions, coverage is now refused. that just blows my mind.

 

[angelbears]

What is the number one reason for people filing for bankruptcy in the US?

 

[thelady_v2010]

Just to dispel the myth about indigent care. They get care if it is life or death at that very moment. They do not get treatment for treatable diseases. What they get is comfort after the disease has ravaged their body, in order to die in peace.

A Galveston Med Student Describes Life and Death in the

So, people can stop spouting that nonsense because it is totally false. If you try to get treatment for treatable cancer, you cannot. You cannot get treatment until your organs are shut down. By then it is too late.

 

[angelbears]

We already have that without ACA, it's call indigent care. This happens more times than most know and the babies do get care.

Study up on US insurance, the foundation of how it was laid.. if you have not, you go to

1. Family
2. Your place of worship (Church)
3. Community

Now the thought process is, we have not "turn to the government".. so if they control health care.. what else do you think they can control?

Mmmmmmhmmm.. If memory serves me correctly not one Republican voted for the ACA, they laid out what was to come.. and so far 1 by 1 it's coming to life. Again I don't agree with every Republican nor Dem but this clown in office needs to go.

The Herbert Hoover approach. How did that work out?

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Loss of anyone in our military is devastating. My husband is now retired but served 20+ years in the navy and was over there throughout the majority of all of the OIF. I am so grateful that he came back alive and sorry for alll of those families that lost their loved ones. War is ugly and many die and touch us personally. The reason I am not responding to or sharing my own feelings on the wars or GWB is because this thread is about Obmacare. My response "This isn't about Obama vs. Bush" was that regardless of what was done by Bush there is nothing that can be done about that now, his time is over. Singing his praises and bashing him won't change a thing, however, he ACA is NOW......It is here and should be debated and understood. It doesn't matter if you believe that there was never a worse president than Bush, that doesn't affect what is happening right now with Obama. What I was hoping to see was all different people talking about the the healthcare issue. I, too, thank your husband for his service to this great country as I thank my own and all of the people dear to me who have and still are fighting for my right to have this debate and live in this wonderful country. Is it because it doesn't affect you that you wish not to discuss it? I mean, having coverage from tricare, your medical won't be affected by these changes..Until, of course, they come after those plans which I believe will happen before long and probably done as one of the "military cuts" that you suggested in the entitlements thread which I disagree with because I believe that the men and women who are williing to and do sacrifice their lives for this country shouldn't be "cut" in anyway. Anyway, I digress...back to this thread......What is your opinion of the ACA?

Operation Iraqi Freedom (I, II, III, etc etc). My husband fought infantry in 2 OIF rotations and 1 OEF rotation (Operation Enduring Freedom). I am bitter, he is bitter and we both have a right to be. He left over 2 dozen dead comrades behind. We live with survivor's guilt every day. I actively HATE GWB for OIF and there is nothing anyone can say, no one can bring those men back home.

 

[Rugers-Kris]

Actually it was this thread that you talked about military cuts.......I put the wrong thread.

 

[thelady_v2010]

I am for universal health coverage with a single payer, much like Canada has.

My husband is now in the Reserves, the only time we have tricare is when he activates to deploy, which hopefully will not be any time soon. We do have good coverage through the fire department, which is his civilian job. I have been without insurance, when I was a single mom. I watched my premiums slowly go up and the coverage slowly go down with my employer funded plan. This is before Obama was even a blip on the map. At some point I had to decide, my mortgage or health insurance. I got a catastrophic plan for my son and I went without for years. The day after I dropped our coverage (sept 30) my son was hit by a car while riding his bike to school (thise was years ago and i still remember the dates).

As for bringing up Bush, or military cuts (which I think I brought up in answer to what would reduce our deficit and debt, which was brought up by someone else in this thread), I honestly cannot wrap my mind around the hate for Obama. I am not saying YOU specifically hate him, but I belong to many political forums and the hate just blows my mind. I cannot wrap my heard around it because when I compare the ACA to what Bush did, it does not compute. And Bush was also brought up due to a poster choosing to be personal in regards to those that voted for Obama, I feel much the same way about those that voted for the murdering bastard that is Bush/Cheney.

I also thank your husband for his service.

 

[joshuagough]

Poor choices in life.

What is the number one reason for people filing for bankruptcy in the US?

 

[thelady_v2010]

I have also discussed the ACA in this thread, so i am not sure where the not wanting to discuss it comment came from. I also discussed the myriad of other topics brought up in the thread, because that is usually how internet threads go, they morph and evolve into other areas. Minimum wage was touched on, corporate activties, etc, as they affect how a person can afford insurance, etc.