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joshuagough

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What your "spouting" isn't the truth, I don't know how it works in OH as I've never lived there. I can say here they get treatment.

We have many programs that help out with the Hospitals cost of providing that care, many non-profits also. A large one being United way. I know you seem to believe everything you read in blogs but there's a little more to the story than the propaganda your reading. Patients at the clinic where my wife works are charge on a sliding scale, additional cost are covered by local churches that fund the clinic. As well as some goverement funding for 401c3's.

Just to dispel the myth about indigent care. They get care if it is life or death at that very moment. They do not get treatment for treatable diseases. What they get is comfort after the disease has ravaged their body, in order to die in peace.

A Galveston Med Student Describes Life and Death in the

So, people can stop spouting that nonsense because it is totally false. If you try to get treatment for treatable cancer, you cannot. You cannot get treatment until your organs are shut down. By then it is too late.
 
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joshuagough

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Via United way they arrange a complete host of center's which deal with Cancer/COPD as well as Aids.

To say they are "fully treated" would be a overstatement, because what your asking is if they provide the same care someone with insurance gets (my assumption anyway).. sometimes that answer is yes, and they end up paying nothing out of pocket (the goal is that be the answer for everyone). In the south the funding rates for not profits is high and we really do a good job with it, however there's still a lot of room for improvement.

However I'm not going to lie and tell you everyone get's 100% of what they would if they had healthcare, that's not the truth.

And they fully treat for cancer and COPD and AIDS other diseases, Josh?
 

Rugers-Kris

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I was curious as to what you opinion on the ACA was...for/against? I didn't recall you saying one way or the other so I wanted to ask adnn as you replied, it would appear that you are not for it, right?
I have also discussed the ACA in this thread, so i am not sure where the not wanting to discuss it comment came from. I also discussed the myriad of other topics brought up in the thread, because that is usually how internet threads go, they morph and evolve into other areas. Minimum wage was touched on, corporate activties, etc, as they affect how a person can afford insurance, etc.
 

Kelly

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I think the main problem I see with it is the health care/insurance is a business to y'all. Here it's all taken care of by the govt. We all pay the gov't.

So if we get sick, we go to doc. Office bills govt, we never see a bill. if the doc determines we need surgery for whatever, we get it. they bill govt. we never see the bill. They dont argue with the docs opinions either, if its determined we need it, we get it. How soon it happens sometimes depends on the urgency, but it's never going to come out of our own pocket, further than the monthly insurance amount.

Its not a perfect system, but its a heckuva lot better than the haves having health care and the have nots struggling.

If the US Gov't were to take this on, with all Americans over age of 18 paying into it, then the rates wouldn't have to be as high, given how many millions and millions of you there are. when I heard the US was doing this, I was of the understanding your govt would be taking on the insurance policies, if that makes sense?

I just dont believe health insurance should be something for CEO's to get fat off of when people can't afford or are refused health care that can make their lives easier.
 

thelady_v2010

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I was curious as to what you opinion on the ACA was...for/against? I didn't recall you saying one way or the other so I wanted to ask adnn as you replied, it would appear that you are not for it, right?

It is better than nothing, but it got watered down to get passed. I believe the health insurance companies NEED regulated. I am happy with some of the regulation placed on them, but ideally I would like to live in a world where insurance companies like this don't even exist.
 

joshuagough

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Healthcare-Insurance is a business, it always has been.. they aren't "evil" and they aren't your "daddy". You pay in and you get benefits for it, in the event something happens. It's a service just like anything else.

I don't want the government dictating to the doctor what I can and can't have done, there's no way if the government controls healthcare, you can guaranteed anything will be paid for (notice the debt we are currently in)? The great dictator already has been called on his lie's, why would you believe anything else he says? Just like every other politician.. lies. Government has no place in the healthcare business.

Furthermore business make money, and CEO's make money to ensure they make money.. just the same as everything else in the private sector.

I think the main problem I see with it is the health care/insurance is a business to y'all. Here it's all taken care of by the govt. We all pay the gov't.

So if we get sick, we go to doc. Office bills govt, we never see a bill. if the doc determines we need surgery for whatever, we get it. they bill govt. we never see the bill. They dont argue with the docs opinions either, if its determined we need it, we get it. How soon it happens sometimes depends on the urgency, but it's never going to come out of our own pocket, further than the monthly insurance amount.

Its not a perfect system, but its a heckuva lot better than the haves having health care and the have nots struggling.

If the US Gov't were to take this on, with all Americans over age of 18 paying into it, then the rates wouldn't have to be as high, given how many millions and millions of you there are. when I heard the US was doing this, I was of the understanding your govt would be taking on the insurance policies, if that makes sense?

I just dont believe health insurance should be something for CEO's to get fat off of when people can't afford or are refused health care that can make their lives easier.
 
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thelady_v2010

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I think the main problem I see with it is the health care/insurance is a business to y'all. Here it's all taken care of by the govt. We all pay the gov't.

So if we get sick, we go to doc. Office bills govt, we never see a bill. if the doc determines we need surgery for whatever, we get it. they bill govt. we never see the bill. They dont argue with the docs opinions either, if its determined we need it, we get it. How soon it happens sometimes depends on the urgency, but it's never going to come out of our own pocket, further than the monthly insurance amount.

Its not a perfect system, but its a heckuva lot better than the haves having health care and the have nots struggling.

If the US Gov't were to take this on, with all Americans over age of 18 paying into it, then the rates wouldn't have to be as high, given how many millions and millions of you there are. when I heard the US was doing this, I was of the understanding your govt would be taking on the insurance policies, if that makes sense?

I just dont believe health insurance should be something for CEO's to get fat off of when people can't afford or are refused health care that can make their lives easier.

I agree with you.

Instead of the government deciding what procedures or how much our life is worth, we have a for profit corporation who is supposed to be more moral? the fact is, insurance companies denied claims and coverage ALL the time. Even if people paid in. They were dropped and allowed to die, to save a buck.
 

Kelly

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Healthcare-Insurance is a business, it always has been.. they aren't "evil" and they aren't your "daddy". You pay in and you get benefits for it, in the event something happens. It's a service just like anything else.

I don't want the government dictating to the doctor what I can and can't have done, there's no way if the government controls healthcare, you can guaranteed anything will be paid for (notice the debt we are currently in)? The great dictator already has been called on his lie's, why would you believe anything else he says? Just like every other politician.. lies. Government has no place in the healthcare business.

Furthermore business make money, and CEO's make money to ensure they make money.. just the same as everything else in the private sector.

What Im saying....in Canada, the doctor determines what needs to be done, the government does not say yes we'll cover this, no we wont cover that. If the doctor says do it, it gets done.

Yes businesses make money, but your health ins works and they make money if they dont have to pay out ...so the more procedures they can deny, more loopholes they can find to make you ineligible for this or that, the more money they make. In my opinion, this is WRONG. If you need surgery, you should be able to receive it, at least in a first world country such as yours and mine. that's why i agree with govt run and subsidized.

and you know what else....i have never spoken to a single solitary Canadian who would rather have the US system of health care to what we have. Not one. I'd rather have your geography, would love to live somewhere it is never winter. but i wouldn't give up our health care for yours to do that. and that's saying alot.
 

joshuagough

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So the "law" states the doctors have the final say? If that's true then how are they kept in check from not just charging off anything and everything.. saying people need stuff that they don't, and blowing your governments budget to pieces?

The ACA does not work in that same manner.

What Im saying....in Canada, the doctor determines what needs to be done, the government does not say yes we'll cover this, no we wont cover that. If the doctor says do it, it gets done.

Yes businesses make money, but your health ins works and they make money if they dont have to pay out ...so the more procedures they can deny, more loopholes they can find to make you ineligible for this or that, the more money they make. In my opinion, this is WRONG. If you need surgery, you should be able to receive it, at least in a first world country such as yours and mine. that's why i agree with govt run and subsidized.

and you know what else....i have never spoken to a single solitary Canadian who would rather have the US system of health care to what we have. Not one. I'd rather have your geography, would love to live somewhere it is never winter. but i wouldn't give up our health care for yours to do that. and that's saying alot.
 

Cody

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Only thing that Canada does better than the US is play hockey, GO AV'S.. I might add.
hockey, health care and at this moment in time the CND dollar ;) The Hippocratic Oath is what stops Dr's from taking advantage of the health care system. Why run unneeded tests to boost the amount they will be paid, there is no shortage of patients and no shortage of invoices. The biggest flaw in our system is the bureaucracy that sucks the money away from where it is needed and into the pockets of those who "manage" the system. It is the same as any business, there are always those CEO's that will ensure they get their 8 million dollar bonus ;) However politicians in our country know that if those are not dealt with then the general public will let it be known at election time. We Canadians are a nice people, friendly. polite... However there are a few things you do not mess with; our health care, our hockey and our beer ;)
 

joshuagough

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Yall are alright in my book.. I see a good number heading down 65south to the beach.. it's just funny I never see anyone from the beach headed north to retire. Must not be all that bad, down here that is :cool:

hockey, health care and at this moment in time the CND dollar ;) The Hippocratic Oath is what stops Dr's from taking advantage of the health care system. Why run unneeded tests to boost the amount they will be paid, there is no shortage of patients and no shortage of invoices. The biggest flaw in our system is the bureaucracy that sucks the money away from where it is needed and into the pockets of those who "manage" the system. It is the same as any business, there are always those CEO's that will ensure they get their 8 million dollar bonus ;) However politicians in our country know that if those are not dealt with then the general public will let it be known at election time. We Canadians are a nice people, friendly. polite... However there are a few things you do not mess with; our health care, our hockey and our beer ;)
 

Cody

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Yall are alright in my book.. I see a good number heading down 65south to the beach.. it's just funny I never see anyone from the beach headed north to retire. Must not be all that bad, down here that is :cool:
Absolutely we want your weather lol. Most that head down do so for 6 months minus a day and then return back to Canada for summers to maintain their health care :)
 

cayeesmom

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Sorry but I had to respond to this as I sit here in Canada with my universal health care ;) Dogman, yes in some cases in Canada there are long waits. Maybe 2 years for a hip replacement IF it is not an emergency. Not being able to walk however, is and would be considered an emergency and the wait time would be dramatically cut down. So you would get the hip replacement, the physiotherapy and care needed after that replacement and you would owe nothing... Maybe there is a wait for non emergency procedures, and maybe those with the money will go to the states and pay to avoid that wait, that being said it is the same wait for everyone. Going on 3 years ago my husband got very sick, was hospitalised for close to 2 weeks and was on a home IV for months. We didn't lose our home, we didn't go bankrupt. Enough said. The funny thing about those forums that tell the horrors of the Canadian Health Care System is it is primarily Americans talking about how bad it is here in Canada. I pay around 90$ a month for my insurance, which covers 80% of my families prescriptions, dental and eyewear, my husband has the same meaning we are 100% covered for any and all visits to the pharmacy, dentist, eye Dr... as well as Physiotherapists, Chiropractors and I believe each of us has 500$/per person per year for massage. I am proud of my Country's Health Care, I am over joyed to have it. I understand the cost is upsetting, but I have never understood the American refusal of a universal health care plan. It seems, at the risk of pissing a few off here, that there is an ingrained fear that taking care of all citizens by allowing equal rights to health care will somehow tear the fabric of your society. Most other civilized country's have a health care system in place, and they are not crumbling due to it. Just my 2 cents

Thank you for that Cody! Was hoping someone north of us would chime in! :):)
 

joshuagough

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I hear ya', next time yall are down this way take barry back with ya. He can help manage your health care.

Or is it you guys? Whichever.

Absolutely we want your weather lol. Most that head down do so for 6 months minus a day and then return back to Canada for summers to maintain their health care :)
 

chuckorlando

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People head north to earn the money to retire. Then come south to live in the warmth on cheap ass land in a cheap ass house. I have many many clients that fit this profile.

Heres the problem everyone not right wing is talking about http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/opinion/egan-under-my-thumb.html?_r=1& And what will they do, move south so they can pay shit wages in a depressed economy. Same reason folks move south to retire. I mean of coarse thats the right wing way of life. It's all fair and good for the business to do this and rightly what they should be doing. I would suggest you find alternative air planes to fly on.

You keep talking about govt run. It absolutly is not. How do they make sure docs dont just get willy nilly? It's in the bil how. You know, the whole death panel thats gonna kill your grand ma bit the right put out thats how. A panel of leading medical pros determines the most practical means for the symptoms and follows procedure. Example... If you have back pain in this area, what are the leading causes in order from most to least in accordance with the symptoms. In that order you test.

I love how you make the insurance comps out to be fair and just. That my friend is certainly not on par with my intelligence. Refer to my statements on how they fucked over our whole state.

I love reading how military cuts will hurt troops. Thats a joke unless you wish to cut the trivial. We should be shutting down bases all over the world. The only places we should be is on a shared base in friendly countries. We have friends with in striking distance of everyone. Thats why the world hates our asses now. Let iraq build a base here and see how fair and just it is. Further more, no one with the balls to fuck with us is even close enough to fuck with us. The few who have both the balls and the means, also have the brains to know the economic destruction their country would be in if they tried. Even if they won the war, they would fuck them selves. As seen world wide from the bush collapse.

I dont know bout other places. But you walk in the er right now claiming your tummy has hurt for a week, they will give you gas x or some bs. Now once the stomach cancer is bad enough to cause extreme pain to be considered an emergency then they will have a look see. And even then you might not be diagnosed right but rather sent home with a treatment for some bs. This happens all the time. Maybe your local news just dont report it. But it's on my tv.

The leading cause of bankruptcy is medical expenses. The second leading cause is job loss. Then there divorce and finaly unepected expences such as a companies only loader being stolen and insurance paying out 20% of the eplacment value. Then in third is bad use of credit. I would say the others out weight the poor use of money by large margins.

Why would we not go to straight up single pay? ahahahahahaha. Aint you read the right wing blogs? Thats communist. If we did that they would have no choice but to also take your guns and ration bread AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

And lastly, calling people names aint very christian. I'm just saying ahahahahahahaha