Most athletic molosser

[grazefull1]

oohhh ok n i hope didnt seen rude in asking but thanks for clearing that up also that does mean a cc is not athletic if they dont have a high drive r temp? cause my cc has a mid drive n when it comes people being on his truff(my property) he's a different dog but does mean he less like to be athletic? cause if thats the case i would b scared they he would be a fat,lazy dog once again i love to learn lol

 

[chuckorlando]

No it dont mean that. It simply means it wont work for that sport. Thats why I say there can be a diff between a dog who runs on a field and one that works dusk till dawn doing a needed, money making job

 

[Geisthexe]

oohhh ok n i hope didnt seen rude in asking but thanks for clearing that up also that does mean a cc is not athletic if they dont have a high drive r temp?

Not rude at all..
No athletic is completely different for drives in protection
I could run a CC every day and give it a beautiful athletic body it needs to drive or temperament to do this.
Dogs naturally come out having a play / prey drive nature so in the beginning it needs to be developed. If left alone we end up with mastiffs to be less prey/play bc they are lazy style dog. Only work when needed like bark with the neighbor walks by.

 

[grazefull1]

ok thanks i just wasnt sure lol

 

[Ben Curtis]

Athletic definition: Physically strong, fit, and active:

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]All the dogs mentioned are all of the above. Some are stronger, some are more fit, and some are more active. Judging which breed is more athletic is a tough thing. What should be given more precedence strength fitness, or activeness. What do any of these things have to do with being able to protect or guard? You could have the most athletic dog in the world, that has no teeth no bark, that's terrified of everything, and does not look intimidating at all. In other words a horrible protection dog, but extremely athletic. [/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]In my biased opinion I say Corso, but that is only because I am only comparing them to Bull and English Mastiffs. I have never been around the other breeds that have been talked about. I also would like to point out that I put Corso over Bull and EM because they are more fit and active, but as far as strength goes, I probably would lean towards the bull.[/FONT]

 

[Geisthexe]

ok thanks i just wasnt sure lol

Grazefull, no a problem at all. I like when folks ask why I state something .. if ya have more to ask please feel free

 

[grazefull1]

ok i just got caught up when i read into the post u guys started talking about working n such so i though if the dog doesnt do work(sport) its not athletic than the post farther talked about drive so i just got a little confused thats all

 

[RamV10]

No it dont mean that. It simply means it wont work for that sport. Thats why I say there can be a diff between a dog who runs on a field and one that works dusk till dawn doing a needed, money making job

I'm guessing a dog won't know the difference, work is work to him......

 

[chuckorlando]

Fila's were breed to run mountains dusk till dawn hearding cattle, taking cattle to the floor, chasing slaves, and protecting the flock. To me, there is a big diff between a fast dog who can run on a field or do sport work for a few hours, and dog that actualy earns his keep. They ust aint the same. A fila may be terrible at pp work or sports. But it can run slap up a mountain in 110deg temps and clear a 5ft fence at the top to take down his target

 

[chuckorlando]

Work is not work unless your doing work ALL day long in extreme conditions. Thats like saying I work in a office and you dig ditches, but we both work hard

 

[Geisthexe]

Chuck just like any other breed Filas have also been watered down and if you disagree your blind to the breed.

I have seen and worked Filas and they tire out fast.
History is history and NONE of our dogs truly do what they were intended. I know some Presa kennels who still use the dogs as farm dogs on the islands & se who actually still fight them overseas. To me they would be still serious dogs

Filas NO LONGER hunt slaves

 

[Geisthexe]

Real work like farms to sport to a dog it is all work just as to us sitting behind a computer to physical labor .. ALL WORK!!

Athletic type in human or dogs would be physical activity from brain to body!

 

[RamV10]

Fila's were breed to run mountains dusk till dawn hearding cattle, taking cattle to the floor, chasing slaves, and protecting the flock. To me, there is a big diff between a fast dog who can run on a field or do sport work for a few hours, and dog that actualy earns his keep. They ust aint the same. A fila may be terrible at pp work or sports. But it can run slap up a mountain in 110deg temps and clear a 5ft fence at the top to take down his target

Underdog just came to mind after reading this.....

 

[Guy Pepe]

I am bias but Corso are a great working breed:

Ch. El Mesquital Vulcan
CGC, TDI, RN, RA ,Re, GDT, IDT3, It.CAL 1, It.CAL 2 ,UWP, URO1, ATTS, DD, WDE, WD1
SACCI Working Dog of the Year 2011 & SACCI Raduno Top Working Male 2011

 

[grazefull1]

hey u guys left out cc's lol but lets take a step back what does it mean to u the word athletic ? cause that's where its makes things more clear for me lol becuase just looks doesnt mean a damn thing n is there a athletic standard for mastiff/molosser groups? cause rite now it just seems like a opinions lol

 

[RamV10]

anyways like post #13 of this thread says......my unbiased vote goes to the dogo argentino.

 

[chuckorlando]

I think anyone can agree dogs are watered down. But ust like Fila's are watered down, so are your beloved presas. So now that we are comparing two watered down dogs, I'll say again..... A dog that runs a field for a few hours aint the same as one that actualy has a ob from dusk till dawn. Or are you just saying yall use holy water? We have also agreed you have worked with weak Filas. So your opinion on the ability of a fila to work is about as trust worthy as my opinion on a presa ability to work. The diffrance is I aint stepping on your breed. You know, talking shit about a breed when the reality is you have very very little experiance with. Like you went off on Mike for.

Work is not work. If you think your dog considers all work ust work, your the one who's being blind. If all work is ust work, why have you admitted ust above some dogs you have had excelled at this, yet not that? It's all the same yea?

You mean to tell me there are no more slaves? Damn, where have I been. Next you might tell me we have a black president

 

[Geisthexe]

Ron's dog is an amazing dog.. Doesn't say ALL CCs .. Ron has done great work with him .. But he had to work him and the dog had to want to work for him

 

[Geisthexe]

LOL Chuck Nope we have a half breed idiot as the President but that's another subject ..

I never said and if you read already what I have posted about Presa it's stated they are watered down

But the fact stands that my breed on the island are still farm dogs and they to there second design to he fighting dogs still fight.

Sorry no more slaves means no more Filas can't do there job !!!

 

[chuckorlando]

Oh and my Fila coes from a real farm where the dogs do real work that actualy pay bills. Yea they really do heard cattle right here in one of the largest cattle producing areas of the world. Yea mom and dad and sis and bro they all work for rear