What breed has been the most vicious/aggresive?

[raechiemay]

Chihuahuas.

 

[DennasMom]

I think the better (worse) question would be not "what breed", but "who breeds"... vicious/aggressive dogs.
If you get a really poorly bred dog of any breed, they could definitely be vicious/aggressive due to poor genetics and instabilities.
Not a dog I would want around anywhere, anyhow, anyway.

Just to make sure we're on the same page...
Aggressive is not "drive" or "intelligence" or the ability to "focus".
Vicious is not a trait I would want to promote in any form. Def. #6 is as close to a useful trait as it comes... but not sure that's got any value, either.

Why you would risk the people you are attempting to help with a therapy dog by subjecting them to an unstable, evil, intimidating dog is beyond me.

vi·cious (v

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adj.1. Having the nature of vice; evil, immoral, or depraved.
2. Given to vice, immorality, or depravity.
3. Spiteful; malicious: vicious gossip.
4. Disposed to or characterized by violent or destructive behavior. See Synonyms at cruel.
5. Marked by an aggressive disposition; savage. Used chiefly of animals.
6. Severe or intense; fierce: a vicious storm.
7. Faulty, imperfect, or otherwise impaired by defects or a defect: a forced, vicious style of prose.
8. Impure; foul.



ag·gres·sion (

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n)n.1. The act of initiating hostilities or invasion.
2. The practice or habit of launching attacks.
3. Hostile or destructive behavior or actions.
4. Behavior that is meant to intimidate or injure.

 

[DennasMom]

And I agree... Chihuahuas!

 

[mklamcc]

Chihuahuas are evil! As are most barking rat dog breeds. Don't fear the big dogs...fear the ankle biters.

 

[Kadmos1]

My goal someday is to take what is deemed to be what a very vicious/aggressive Mastiff-type breed and make it a therapy/service dog. The more the breed that is highly regarded as vicious, (to me) the better.

 

[Smart_Family]

That's a recipe for disaster for you, the dog and anyone you're providing therapy to. Truly aggressive mastiff breeds have their temperament in their DNA and its not something you can train out of them.

 

[mx5055]

My goal someday is to take what is deemed to be what a very vicious/aggressive Mastiff-type breed and make it a therapy/service dog. The more the breed that is highly regarded as vicious, (to me) the better.

Why is that your goal?

 

[Kadmos1]

Because I want to show what's deemed a vicious dog breed can be a good at it and show that said vicious breed shouldn't be subjected to BSL.

 

[DMikeM]

I think I see what he is getting at now. I believe he wants to take what is considered the worst dog and turn it into the best to show that even the worst can be a loving animal. Is this correct kadmos1?

 

[DMikeM]

HAHA posted at the same time. Do I get a cookie?

 

[Smart_Family]

Most people that don't know mastiffs don't know the difference between the breeds and just see big as scary so why does it have to be an aggressive dog? Why can't you just get a mastiff and then go thru the therapy dog training? It seems to me that it's more about what you want rather than proving anything to other people.

 

[northernmastiff]

Because I want to show what's deemed a vicious dog breed can be a good at it and show that said vicious breed shouldn't be subjected to BSL.

Then you are going about it all the wrong way. You can't change a square breed to fit into a round hole. If a breed is designed for guarding, then you can't show the world what the breed can do by trying to squash its natural instincts and say you are going to accept strangers completely and be a therapy dog.

Besides focusing on a breed, you should do some research and learn about what makes a breed. Go from there. What you have to look at is the dog's drive and abilities, not whether it is vicious breed. Take a breed that is misunderstood and work with that breed. Cane Corsos are a very misunderstood breed and I know that they have been used for therapy work. However, there are some breeds that cannot be used in that manner and trying to force a dog to be used in a manner that goes completely against its breeding will become unstable.

Once that happens, you won't be helping the breed, you will be dooming it to further BSL.

So learn as much as you can about dogs and then go from there. Starting with the question, what is the most vicious mastiff breed is the worst possible way to start when it comes to "saving" a breed.

 

[fila4me]

Then you are going about it all the wrong way. You can't change a square breed to fit into a round hole. If a breed is designed for guarding, then you can't show the world what the breed can do by trying to squash its natural instincts and say you are going to accept strangers completely and be a therapy dog.

Besides focusing on a breed, you should do some research and learn about what makes a breed. Go from there. What you have to look at is the dog's drive and abilities, not whether it is vicious breed. Take a breed that is misunderstood and work with that breed. Cane Corsos are a very misunderstood breed and I know that they have been used for therapy work. However, there are some breeds that cannot be used in that manner and trying to force a dog to be used in a manner that goes completely against its breeding will become unstable.

Once that happens, you won't be helping the breed, you will be dooming it to further BSL.

So learn as much as you can about dogs and then go from there. Starting with the question, what is the most vicious mastiff breed is the worst possible way to start when it comes to "saving" a breed.

well said!!!

 

[mx5055]

Because I want to show what's deemed a vicious dog breed can be a good at it and show that said vicious breed shouldn't be subjected to BSL.[/QUOTE

Seems to me you should be using a different word besides vicious. By using the word vicious to describe a dog breed you are as bad as the people trying to put the bans in effect.

 

[Kadmos1]

DMikeM, you are correct. Maybe I should use the word "aggressive" or "fierce" vs. "vicious".

northernmastiff, I don't think I am aiming to force a breed to change.

 

[cookiedough39]

Please let me know where you plan on doing therapy work with this so called "aggressive" dog so I can stay clear. By the looks of it I don't want anybody I know near your "therapy" dogs. What you are trying to do is like taking an inbred pit bull from fighting lines and then taking him to the dog park to play friendly with other dogs. TICKING TIMEBOMB.....BOOM!

 

[fila4me]

DMikeM, you are correct. Maybe I should use the word "aggressive" or "fierce" vs. "vicious".

northernmastiff, I don't think I am aiming to force a breed to change.

really? so you take a Fila and attempt to make it a therapy dog,based on the genetics of the Fila how would this work?what would be your game plan,with the Fila?honestly,you would first have to find a Fila breeder that would sell you a pup for that purpose.I know FIlas and Dogos,which is why I used Fila for the example.

 

[DMikeM]

Devil's advocate here.
Not promoting what he is doing but I have seen Boerboels used as service/therapy dogs. But they are a little unique in that they are more biddable than many breeds of mastiff. There was also a few EMs but that seems to be a given. I don't think you could take a dog like a Toso Inu or a Kangal and turn them into a therapy dog but then again you just never know.

 

[chuckorlando]

I was trying not to mention any hard breeds. I figure if keeping dogs off ban list is your desire, you would know more about what breeds are in trouble

I aint sure what your angle is here. Either you have really bad choices in words. Or you dont now the diff between a drive like a FB has, and a breed with a bad rap like pitts. You can change perception when their wrong. Like in the pitts. You cant change a breed. If a dog is designed to do a job you cant remove that.

 

[Tiger12490]

I understand what Katmos is saying and just think they love dogs but doesnt exactly understand what goes into some of these dogs, I also honestly think that they are probably very young...either way I think you should probably browse the board a little, learn some of there history....some of these dogs are deeper than what I feel you are expressing in your posts...

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