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We're in heat...I think.

Bailey's Mom

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I'm only working part time, so I'm home a lot and, it being her first heat, I'm monitoring every reaction. We are going to hold off until she's 18 or 24 months before we have her spayed though I would like to do the modified spay which preserves her ovaries. Our vet doesn't do this procedure so I'll have to shop around. I don't think it is very common yet.
 

Bailey's Mom

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Well, it's D-Day for Bailey or very near it. The idea of "standing heat" is, I take it, that she will stand and allow mating, flagging her tail over and out of the way. This morning we unexpectantly (we'd changed our morning walk time) ran into her boyfriend dog. Doc dragged his owner down the street and the two if them went wild with sniffing each other and dancing around. Twice she stopped and flipped her tail over and out of the way, but she never presented her backside to him.

I don't think we'll be walking her tomorrow....I have a feeling she'd invite the mating, especially if it is Doc, her boyfriend dog. He'd be the one, she's crazy for him.
 

Mooshi's Mummy

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Its time to start taking extra precautions by the sounds of it she is coming in to a standing heat THIS is when she is most fertile. If you feel unsafe or insecure about the possibility of her actually being mounted by Doc or another dog then this is when I would consider closing her off and putting a diaper on her just while she is outside on her walks. As soon as she is back in the house safe and sound you can take it off her. Sort of like a chastity belt. :)
 

Bailey's Mom

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She's becoming a Cloisters nun.

Poor Baby! How long do I have to keep her inside or diapered? How long will she be fertile?

Poor Doc, his best buddy dog has become a femme female, and he is helpless under her spell. Or, he would be if his human Dad wasn't holding on for dear life. (I wonder if his change in walk pattern was so that they would encounter us. Guys...always trying to get other guys some action....tee hee!)
 

Bailey's Mom

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Yesterday we walked in the early am wearing the "chastily belt" and I never felt so foolish. Considering how few people are on the road, I got a fair amount of attention. Bailey hated it, but she loves to walk, so she made the best of it. Thank God we didn't see Doc, but she was looking for him.

I took her out again at noon, but just around our complex through the deep snow, she was definitely looking for anyone to visit, dog or human. For such a sociable animal this near incarceration has been very difficult. I can hardly wait until I can take her back to the dog park. She misses it so much. I mentioned it the other day and she went wild. Poor baby.

Yesterday, I noticed the blood droplets were fewer and farther between. It is definitely slowing down. I'm really ready for this to be over, but realistically, I think we've got another week before we go back to the dog park. And before we go there, little miss priss is going to the doggie wash for a de-stinking.

We were lucky that her first heat was in the winter, but her next will he in July. We are really going to need to step up our game then because more dogs will be around and, even though we have tough leash laws, I'm sure we'll encounter more furry friends during the warm weather.

If anyone has any info how long this stage will last (from flagging until end of cycle) I would appreciate your input.

Oh, and if anyone has any idea regarding her going off her food (she won't eat her Acana Large Puppy kibble) but she will eat some donated (Mr. Sid's left over President's Choice, Chicken and Brown Rice) kibble, at least some of the time. Mostly though, she just turns her nose up at everything except human food, and for part of this last week she wouldn't even come to mooch breakfast.

I'm hoping the eating issue will resolve itself once she's finished this cycle, and I suppose, being less active, it's probably better that she's laying off the grub.
 

mcleodcon

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This is just a question, I have never been through this with Izzy before and I don't remember my other dogs going through it because I would have only been a kid, so I was wondering because Bailey has gone off her food and has been a bit different while in heat (and I get it, it must be uncomfortable), I would think that she would probably be having cramps (kinda like us), is it possible to give a dog an advil or aleve or tylenol? (Thought I would ask before I got to this with Izzy, I know it kinda seems like an odd (stupid) question, but figure you are all so helpful and knowledgable some one would know)
 

Mooshi's Mummy

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The lessening in blood happens at the same time as ovulation, please DO NOT BE FOOLED in to thinking that this is drawing to a close, it isn't. 'Generally' speaking her season will last a full 3 weeks. I would only feel safe after the end of the 3 weeks and when she has been tested with Doc or another male dog to make sure she will definitely not stand for them. I would not give the dog pain meds, if they do cramp it doesn't last long and I don't think the pain is bad enough to make them require medication. Like us ladies, we can live with the cramps if we have to, but we choose not to and medicate. As for her kibble its up to you, tough It out or you can throw in a bit of grated cheese or sardines or unsalted chicken stock to temp her. Don't be surprised if she finds here appetite again and then some once she comes out the other side. Mooshi is going through a phantom pregnancy at the moment and eating like a horse!! This is a dog who usually eats enough to starve a mouse. Oh the joys of owning a breeding bitch!
 

Bailey's Mom

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First, McLeodcon, I do remember there being a list of drugs you could use for dogs and cats that our pharmacist kept on the wall, BUT, a lot of human drugs are life threatening for our pets. Don't guess this one, ask Izzy's vet if there is an approved med for puppy pms. I think, just like humans, the more athletic the dog, the less discomfort they should feel. Mine is a couch potato, but if she had her way, and a younger, fitter mommy, she'd be a more athletic dog.

At any rate, loving, hugging, massaging....maybe a lightly warmed heat pack, if she'll tolerate it on her stomach, but otherwise, just be a loving mom, provide interesting toys (especially chew toys) and get ready for a dog that wants to wear you like a coat, and you'll be fine.

And MM, glad you let me know that this means more fertile, not less. Poor Doc! He's my guinea pig, but his whining and crying on Wednesday tore at my heart. Poor fellow. If we were independently wealthy and, mentally impaired, I'd let these two have their romance. He's a wonderful dog...an English Hunting Labrador. His owners told me that he's never been interested in other dogs, but he has developed quite a fondness for Bailey. Both of them enjoy their early morning meetings. Doc's dad says he knows we're around the corner when Doc puffs out his chest and starts pulling. They really are so sweet together. But the specter of 15 puppies, and worrying about placing them, and worrying about whether they are happy or abused, too much for my soft heart. Harder to place mixed dogs too, I should think, so.... Flights of fancy put away.

Oh, MM, one more thing, I noted that about a month before her heat, her nipples became much larger. My daughter noticed it too. If this is part of the hormonal surge, will they ever go down?
 

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raechiemay

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The enlarged nipples are common. They will go down some but they will never go back to the way they were pre-heat cycles. Duch has one, I call it her wild nipple, it kinda sticks out to the side. She's spayed now but you can still catch a glimpse of wild nipple from time to time. Lol
 

raechiemay

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Oh & absolutely do not give your dog any type of human aspirin. Long term use could cause kidney failure. You can give baby aspirin, but honestly I wouldn't even bother with that. Duchess had her first heat at 9-10 months & another exactly 6 months later. So be prepared that Bailey might possibly go into heat a 2nd time before she hits 18 months.
 

Bailey's Mom

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Oh yes, we're both off for two weeks during July, so she'll get a lot more attention and lots of walks. We know it's necessary, so we will do our best to let our little girl grow up fully before she is spayed. Look how sad she is:IMG_00000643.jpg

She just stares out the window all day.IMG_00000645.jpg Well, unless mommy keeps taking pictures.
 

raechiemay

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Aww! They sure do make you feel bad!! I know that look all too well. Duch would stand in front of me while I was watching tv & she would just stare at me like WHY ME? WHY MOM WHY?!
 

Bailey's Mom

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Yes! Last night she stood to the side and just kept staring and staring. I told her to go lie down 20 times. Finally she went and got her ball and stuck it behind the couch (she does this every time she wants attention) then she came and stood at my side and kept looking at me and at the back of the couch. I gave up, pulled out the couch and she went and got her ball. The second time, I pulled out the couch and left it out. Two can play this game.
 

Bailey's Mom

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100 lbs. I haven't measured her height in a while. I expect we'll get another one to two inches before she's full size. Her father was over sized and mom topped at 115. We feel she'll go 120, but right now she's still my little girl.
 

Bailey's Mom

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Time to update: Well, on Wednesday she was flagging in the presence of her boyfriend Doc. And on Friday we had a marked decrease in blood. Mooshi's Mommy warned me not to be careless because she had ovulated and the blood would be less. Today we saw that her vulva had shrunk by about 20%. It's definitely less pronounced and she isn't licking it as much. Also, she seems much happier - much happier.

I'm hoping we're at the back end of this, but we will definitely wait until next Friday or Saturday before we go to the dog park, AND before that we're going to arrange a sniff test with Doc. Poor Fellow, she's just a big tease.
 

Bailey's Mom

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Yes, she'll be getting a full bath. We're going take her to the dog wash station at the car wash. She's too big for the bathroom tub now. She'll hate it, but she'll be so happy to be able to run with her friends again.