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I wanna stud my male douge de bourdueax

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BIG TANC

Member
Hello, i am kinda new here, and i am very intrested in studding my 19mon old french mastiff, he is red and white, akc reg mastiff from a great pedigree, current well check with great bill of health, and he is a beautiful stud.
 
northernmastiff

northernmastiff

Well-Known Member
Okay, the first thing I would recommend is to get your dog out to dog shows or competitions of some kind. Then get his health certifications, hips, elbows, eyes (not sure of all the health clearances you should get). Once that is done, work with your dog's breeder to find the best matches. Know your breed standard and read, read and read. Having a stud dog has the same responsibilities as owning a female so understand breeding. Just because a dog is registered does not mean he should be bred. Also, how much white does he have on him? Too much white or white on certain areas is a fault of a disqualification and you wouldn't usually breed the dog that has a lot of white.
 
2nd Chance

2nd Chance

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Can i ask, if skin condition / allergies would stop you breeding from a dog?

The white is fine amount. he looks gorgeous!
 
2nd Chance

2nd Chance

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His ears are large. Is that normal?
and he looks jowly, like a neo.

The reason i mention this, is brian does too. And not knowing the breed well, thought this was 'wrong'. But if your's comes from a known good line, perhaps its a plus?
 
Duetsche_Doggen

Duetsche_Doggen

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2nd Chance said:
His ears are large. Is that normal?
and he looks jowly, like a neo.

The reason i mention this, is brian does too. And not knowing the breed well, thought this was 'wrong'. But if your's comes from a known good line, perhaps its a plus?
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You know I've been wondering this too. I know NOTHING about the DB but I was just thinking about how they are starting to change a bit. I think back to Turner and Hooch and some of the lines I've seen look more Neo than anything.
 
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BIG TANC

Member
I am a fairly new db owner, so dont know alot of the very detail specifics on his pedigre traits, but i will say the dog from turner and hooch was a big exagerated on the slobbering and the barking. He is a great dog, he is a family dog, have not really thought about showing him, mainly because i do not know enough about the process. I know he has the potential to show based on the stuff i have read, and because of that i was intrested in studding him, and of course the income associated with.
 
Duetsche_Doggen

Duetsche_Doggen

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BIG TANC said:
I am a fairly new db owner, so dont know alot of the very detail specifics on his pedigre traits, but i will say the dog from turner and hooch was a big exagerated on the slobbering and the barking. He is a great dog, he is a family dog, have not really thought about showing him, mainly because i do not know enough about the process. I know he has the potential to show based on the stuff i have read, and because of that i was intrested in studding him, and of course the income associated with.
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Ill give you points for honestly. ....

Otherwise :(
 
Harrygto

Harrygto

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BIG TANC said:
I am a fairly new db owner, so dont know alot of the very detail specifics on his pedigre traits, but i will say the dog from turner and hooch was a big exagerated on the slobbering and the barking. He is a great dog, he is a family dog, have not really thought about showing him, mainly because i do not know enough about the process. I know he has the potential to show based on the stuff i have read, and because of that i was intrested in studding him, and of course the income associated with.
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they used three dogs in Turner and Hooch
 
lizzy_troy

lizzy_troy

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"While the major share of the responsibility lies with the bitches owner - ie they are responsible for that early development and socialising time of a puppy's life, the stud dog owner should also ensure that the breeder undertakes that all important early care to reduce the risk of puppies having problems as they grow.

My boys are only available for very selective stud work and that is because I need to know and trust the owner of the bitch to ensure that they do all they can to ensure the puppies go to good homes after having a firm start in life. I also ensure that the pairing is right for the breed. I am very much a learner in what makes a good pairing etc - but I have friends who know much more and who help me. I will only give the OK if I am satisfied the risks are minimal. You can't say there are no risks as their are always risks in any mating -lanned or not!!

The stud owner should share some of the responsibility in providing after-care - especially if there are any problems etc that may only come to light after the event that may fall from the stud dog. I would always be open about any health problems that appeared that could affect any offspring in their future.

Having siad all that - that is in the ideal world of course - but owners of bitches also share the responsibility in ensuring the stud owner is either willing to take their fair share of responsibility - and if not and they are determined/need to use a particluar dog - then they have to accept that the responsibillity lies fairly and squarely with them.

IMHO - what this shows is that what should happen in responsible breeding is that both parties take full and equal responsibility for ensuring the pairing is right, that the puppies are healthy and go to good homes and that the new owners have support from both parties if necessary. I think the reality is that in the vast majority of cases the responsibility stays with the bitch owner - be that because the stud owner is not that interested OR the bitch owner actually wants it that way!!"

From: Responsibilities of Stud Dog Ownership

Check out this link. It's for Canaan Dogs, but the concept is the same. What is Involved in Owning a Stud Dog?
 
chuckorlando

chuckorlando

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What makes your dog worth paying for? There are plenty of winners in the world for a few bucks. So if I were to choose your male, what makes him worth paying for?
 
CeeCee

CeeCee

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With all due respect, it feels like your thought of using your dog as a stud is in it's infancy. What is your reason for wanting to have your dog be a stud? Is it for the love of the breed and a desire to raise the bar or ensure the health and standards of the breed? Is it for the extra money? Is there another reason?

If it's for any other reason than the first, do your research. Do the work needed to make sure you are enhancing and maintaining that standards of the breed. The world doesn't need any more fly by night breeders. If you really love your dog (and I know you do) respect and love him and his kin enough to so the responsible thing for ALL the dogs that come after him.
 
lizzy_troy

lizzy_troy

Well-Known Member
CeeCee said:
With all due respect, it feels like your thought of using your dog as a stud is in it's infancy. What is your reason for wanting to have your dog be a stud? Is it for the love of the breed and a desire to raise the bar or ensure the health and standards of the breed? Is it for the extra money? Is there another reason?

If it's for any other reason than the first, do your research. Do the work needed to make sure you are enhancing and maintaining that standards of the breed. The world doesn't need any more fly by night breeders. If you really love your dog (and I know you do) respect and love him and his kin enough to so the responsible thing for ALL the dogs that come after him.
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This.
 
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BIG TANC

Member
Ok..first...i wanna breed my male becuase he looks to be a perfect specimin of a bordeaux, of course i am partial to him
second...i have witnessed some results of bad breeding standards, and i want to carry on his good stock.
Third...if any of you think one minute, that yall are breeding these dogs out of the goodness of your heart with no monitary gains in mind, you are all liars!!
If that were the case you'd be selling them for way less than $2,500-$3,000

my original post was to ask the proper steps and procedures one should take in studding my akc french mastiff, not looking for any moral advise as to if i were doing this for the right reasons, who are any of you to judge, i have a beautiful animal, with good health, and with what i have read, he is within specs with above breed standards.
 
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musicdeb

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Big Tanc, when you post to this forum you're going to get honest feedback from most members. As you can tell, a lot of members are very passionate about their pups and breeding/breeders.

I believe you have a lot of great feedback as to what you need to do. As always, the choice to breed is yours alone.

You are correct, you have a handsome pup.
 
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BIG TANC

Member
Music deb, i dont mind feedback, rather thats what i was looking for in the first place. I am very pationate about my boy, just dont like the arogance of some last posts, askking me if my dog is worthy, thanks for your response
 
northernmastiff

northernmastiff

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I understand that there seems to be a cash incentive but I have a stud dog with lines that blow most dogs out of the water. Different breed, he is a Labrador Retriever, but he comes from the top hunting lines in the world. If you crack open an old hunting book, the Labs in the photos are his grandparents and so on. Breed standard, he is perfection with the right tail, head, build, etc.

Do you know how much I made breeding him out? By the time all was said and done, I owed about a $1000.00 for the testing. The only breeders you are going to get for your stud are BYB's so you may make some money. The only way to get a reputable breeder to accept your dog is to get a championship on him, get all his health tests and then go from there. Even after you do that, it can be difficult to get your money back.

Yes, there are breeders who look at the monetary but reputable breeders do not look at that first. Instead, they look at improving the breed. Also, breeding is feast or famine. My friend who breeds Neos had a litter of 11 puppies, the cost went up a lot because of the size but she still made a profit if you are just looking at the money put out for that one litter (not the money put out over the course of her dog's life). Her second litter was 2 and she ended up losing several thousand dollars on the litter. For most breeders, if they are lucky, they will break even. If they aren't, they will be in the hole.
 
thelady_v2010

thelady_v2010

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BIG TANC said:
Music deb, i dont mind feedback, rather thats what i was looking for in the first place. I am very pationate about my boy, just dont like the arogance of some last posts, askking me if my dog is worthy, thanks for your response
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Of course people are going to ask that, though. Just something for you to think about. We all think our dogs are great. You need to be able to look at your dog with out that emotional feeling. You have to understand the amount of people that come in here and their 1st posts are about breeding. So, people are going to ask because they care about the breed. don't take it personal, look at the situation honestly. Also, most people believe that your dog should have proof of some sort of excellence, whether it is showing or some type of training.
 
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