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Guarding Instincts?

BradA1878

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Interesting group of breeds you own. Ovcharkas are the most overlooked guardian breed in my opinion...
Thanks. We actually own 3 CO, I just only listed Luytiy for simplicity. I like the breed, and they are great protectors... Tho, there are some crappy-nerved CO out there too. Actually, I think there are more crappy ones than good ones TBQH.
 

aceoutdoor

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Oh crap!

I've looked a them but that's just way too much hair for me......

I hear that. I would be breaking out the sheep shears. The South Russians have even more hair. They are not your everyday sheepdog.

[video=youtube;cpl-dsdXW3I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpl-dsdXW3I[/video]
 

BradA1878

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Oh crap!

I've looked a them but that's just way too much hair for me......
Yea, they are pretty long coated, but ours have medium length coats (for the breed). We needed a guardian with the ability to be out at night in the winter here (blowing snow, -30F temps). They love the cold, and do fine in it.

They suck in the summer tho, which is why we have our mastiffs too. :)
 
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chuckorlando

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I know I did'nt just see dog the bounty hunters people training a mastiff. hahahaha. I've seen more than one vid of a dog that did'nt impress me. The second two vids to me are far better examples of what I would want to see in a reaction. I'm not a fan of that turn on and turn off on the same guy like that. All that I pose no threat now crap aint gonna get it. You posed a threat to start with, that threat did'nt go away cause you turned sideways. Not looking in the eyes aint gonna get it and having to call the dog to get it's attention while being 2ft away, well that aint gonna get it either

That being said, I believe that dog can be trained pretty easy as it's in there waiting for the direction. Unfortunatly I dont know how to train that good. hahahahaha
 

allsierra123

Well-Known Member
We were looking at these for a long time. Just didnt want to have to deal with the importing.

[video=youtube_share;wzFPPmSDrcw]http://youtu.be/wzFPPmSDrcw[/video]
 

BradA1878

Well-Known Member
I just don't like bearded breeds... I dunno why, they don't do it for me.

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Now, if we are sharing PPD Mastiff videos, I may be a bit biased but, I think Parka's dad (Kala) is pretty freaking awesome...

[video=youtube;LrHgFch37Jw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrHgFch37Jw[/video]


Also, this is a good example of a green dog being tested that really shows some good PPD potential. Remember: This dog has never been trained for protection - this is a test to see if he's got what it takes - he's never bitten anyone before this...

[video=youtube;YLnjJoFX9QY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLnjJoFX9QY[/video]

Those are both Boerboels BTW.
 
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BlackShadowCaneCorso

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Staff member
Thanks I was just curious to know if anyone else had experienced different levels of guarding with their dogs depending on who was around.
 

chuckorlando

Well-Known Member
Kons is deff more protective with mom and mason. She wont even let them walk in front of her when were out. She's more ummmmm, aggravated we'll call it. hahahaha
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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Looking back at these videos I'm thinking maybe the guy I had tested Thor, approach was "too strong". I know it was a simulation of what somemone might do but still....The mannerisms of these decoys are different. I'm going to try to pull the entrace clip from my phone.
 

BradA1878

Well-Known Member
That second Is it a BB? It looks more like a pit mix.
I asked her the same question, but she said he was mos def a BB... just young and dry in type.

Looking back at these videos I'm thinking maybe the guy I had tested Thor, approach was "too strong". I know it was a simulation of what somemone might do but still....The mannerisms of these decoys are different. I'm going to try to pull the entrace clip from my phone.
Yea, that could be. That's one reason why we caution people about picking the right decoy for testing their dog, for a "green" dog you really have to be good at reading dogs and understand how much pressure to put on them. A green dog should only have enough pressure put on them to get a reaction, then the decoy should "read" that reaction and decide how much more (or less) pressure the dog can take.

In the second video I posted, you can see the decoy put very little pressure on the dog, and then slowly builds the pressure as the dog proves he can take more of it then stops when the dog starts to show stress (note the high-pitched bark the dog devlops toward the end - that's stress).

That dog took a nice amount of pressure for a "green" dog. Most dog, even good PPDs will not take that much pressure for their first test - and that's ok. A dog that takes less pressure in the first test but still shows good instincts can be built to take more pressure. The dog's natural response is what you are "testing" not how much it takes to "break" them.

A good decoy will make even a horrible dog feel like they are a winner. A bad decoy can take an AMAZING dog and break them in a matter of minutes.

Here isa great example. This is another video of a female BB, she had bitten someone before but had never been tested for PPD work.

[video=youtube;7Bs1LGHtf3A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bs1LGHtf3A&feature=colike[/video]

Notice she is a bit more hesitant initially, maybe even a bit unsure, but her confidence builds as the test continues. Towards the end she has good focus. Compared to the other video of the "green" BB I posted, this female took very little pressure but she still showed good protective instincts and focus. So, she is still a pretty good prospect for PPD work even tho she didn't take as much as the other dog.

Ok, same dog but with just a little work. See how much more focus she has and how much more pressure she takes.

[video=youtube;slIx5hCIpx4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slIx5hCIpx4&feature=colike[/video]

Her bark shows a bit of stress still, but she is pretty darn committed and taking a lot of pressure. This is after only 3 session.

So, my point is, you gotta get a good decoy (who has experience working Mastiffs) for these tests and then work with a good trainer (also who has experience working Mastiffs) who can build your dog appropriately. A lot of breeds have solid natural guarding drive, but you can't expect them to give a solid bite in a unknown situation with lots of environmental stimuli without any work at all. I think this applies to all breed - even Fila and Caucasian Ovcharka - they may show great instinct and probably bite, but you can take them so much further with a good decoy and a good trainer. I really wish I had a good one around me.
 
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Ghostsword

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Totally right, a good decoy makes a poodle feel like a winner!! :)

Even with military dogs we start really small, a bite and the decoy runs, feigns fear and no pressure applied at all, then with the weeks, with daily bites, and in a group, the pressure builds. :)


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