Actually, his (lions dens) black dogs are the most consistent ones I have seen and that is actually a very big kudos to him and his program... now, knowing that do you realize who has his dogs? ie, some of the kennels you guys posted perhaps? You guys dont even know what a CAFIB dog is so how can you say that they are inconsistent? you guys where just pointing out how "de la luna is a CAFIB breeder" and how her "CAFIB dog" looks bad... she doesnt own any CAFIB dogs at the moment, she doesnt even follow the CAFIB standard... tell me again how she can be a CAFIB breeder? I stated before Sene, sene has some CAFIB dogs, he even shows them in CAFIB shows and has owned some approved CAFIB dogs and he isnt even close to being a CAFIB breeder, lol. The problem is that you guys have this insane redition that CAFIB dogs are small and falling apart but that picture come to you from non CAFIB breeders putting up junk photos of puppies, awkward pics or dogs that have never had anything to do with CAFIB at all, not in blood and not in evals or anything but something in that kool aid keeps you wanting that to be true some how...could it be, perhaps that you own a non CAFIB dog and therefor feel somewhat protective not only of your dog but of your pride? nah, foolishness, lol. BTW I said SPECIALIZE in black dogs...lions den has more black dogs then any other breeder in the U.S.A and he says he specializes in them. You guys want to fault the show for kicking his dogs out? you cant it is in the standard they follow... BTW they werent disqual'd due to temp.. they were disqual'd to to the lack of control that the handler had of them...2 different things. I personally dont care whether or not the owner has control of his/her dogs or not because at our shows if there is a dog like that we all give ALOT of room and if the handler cant effectively control the dog it is tied to an inanimate object and the dog gets evaluated like that.
I also want to pont out that I NEVER said that non CAFIB dogs dont have proper temp but it is true that many do not.. The fact that they are mixed bred will give you an idea as to why that may be.... but one has to always remember that they do have atleast some fila in them and some of them are straight up, balls to the walls hardcore fila in temp only.