A question for Experienced Fila owners

Discussion in 'General Mastiff Discussion' started by Rugers-Kris, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. Duetsche_Doggen

    Duetsche_Doggen New Member

  2. chuckorlando

    chuckorlando New Member

    hahahaha. I did'nt see that neo looking mutt. ahahaha
     
  3. aceoutdoor

    aceoutdoor New Member

    Good eye Juan, Good eye.


    Easy there Chuck, your talking about the Cafib recipient of the lifetime breeder award and future Cafib judge awaiting certification.

    First Cafib dog I ever saw was from there and it was a nervous wreck.
     
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  4. chuckorlando

    chuckorlando New Member

    well Dinda da Boa Sortre and Carioca's Pandamonium look nothing alike.
     
  5. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    yep... like I said and he is the most consistent...can you imagine what the least looks like?
     
  6. Tiger12490

    Tiger12490 New Member

    That one is pretty bad il admit lol

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    Sounds like the ultimate problem is consistency in the breed. ....

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  7. Tiger12490

    Tiger12490 New Member

    Sounds like the ultimate problem is consistency in the breed. ....

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  8. aceoutdoor

    aceoutdoor New Member

    I was waiting for you to spin it. BTW Blacks are not rare, thats a marketing thing and you know it. I know ALOT of breeders and 90% of them have some black Filas and not one of them looks like that trainwreck in the first photo. Who in their right mind would buy a dog from a parent like that? You are so extreme Juan, you will never get it. Just like you say people are blind because of love of their dog (which is BS), maybe you are blind because you are an American "organizer" for Cafib and it makes you feel important and like you have to spew their propaganda no matter how foolish it is. Cafib has a couple hundred members worldwide, they are a small, irrelevant fringe club that most people have figured out is full of hypocrisy and bull mess. Stop pissing down backs and yelling its raining.
     
  9. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    BTW I finally got to see pics of that 1st dog that was posted in the 1st page... lol, what a freaking difference you guys sure do ham it up dont ya. Lions dens dogs are as consistent as the black fila gets... he has one type and only one, the Neo fila...notice the bulbous heads and the excessive skin, the the bored expression, etc. Really? not rare? 90% of them have blacks? it's a gimmick for $? dude, you are kidding, right? lol. compared to the other colors they are pretty scarce but the douche does market them as rare for $ purposes. the reason a dominant gene like the black gene does not seem as prolific is that the breeders dont like to breed them due to the inconsistent litters. you do realize that some CBKC breeders do not own a single black "fila " due to either their knowledge of them being mixed bred or because they just cant get any consistency from them. I havent posted any photos and you are incorrect 90% of them do look like train wrecks and some like snausages... some look pretty good and a very few actually look pretty damn correct... the problem is that when you breed those they throw the different characteristics again...

    Now, About CAFIB... I am not an American "Organizer" of anything I hosted a show with the help of another fila lover one time. I help spread information and let people know that there is another side to the story. You guys think "no one" is listening? are you nuts? ADMIN, is there a way to check how many PMs I have gotten about CAFIB every time a fila thread gets started? you can fool yourselves but you arent fooling anyone else with your "fila isnt a breed, only a type" and your " cafib has 3 members, i mean 8 i mean 20, 40, 80 and now apparently 100" BS. put it to you this way. In the U.S alone there are more then 100 people that follow the CAFIB standard... there are CAFIB breeders in the U.S for over 20 years some with over 14 years, etc... where do you think those dogs go? There are more CAFIB breeders in Brazil then not CAFIB breeders yet they produce less than the non CAFIB breeders (not a $ issue for them). Onceiro in Czech republic has over 60 members, CAFIBI in italy has over 40 members, etc. Another words... bro, I dont know who the hell you've been talking to but you better just get info for yourself or ask someone else. In Asia you will find 2 breeders of non CAFIB dogs one in India and one in Singapore (I believe).. how many CAFIB dog breeders? more then 10. your lil sayings are cute bro and while they may put a smile on someone's face, no one is buying the crap that came b4 it.
     
  10. chuckorlando

    chuckorlando New Member

    Juan it amuses me how you try to come off like you really have studied blacks, where they come from, who breeds them, and the like. If any ones not buying it, I aint buying that crap. You have no clue who breeds blacks or who has the most consistent You just fall right back on lionsden every time. And of coarse leave it to someone else to post a neo pic, then all of a sudden all they have are neos... ahahahahaha. Well maybe you do know. So exactly how many black litters have you been to see in the last 2 years? Of those, how many of the pups have you kept up on over the two years? Of those how many failed a temp test and how many had major faults? What breeders are you studying? How many breeders were in your pool for you to conclude who had the most consistent? And last, if you dont like blacks, why are you spending so much time doing all this research?

    If you have not compiled the data I'm asking for, why do offer your opinion as fact?
     
  11. Tiger12490

    Tiger12490 New Member

    Juan you convince the sheeple thats why you get so many PMs because your sermon sounds believable. ...except to people who also know Fila...

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  12. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    tiger... you havent done any research on filas.. tell me, "exactly how many black litters have you been to see in the last 2 years? Of those, how many of the pups have you kept up on over the two years? Of those how many failed a temp test and how many had major faults? What breeders are you studying? How many breeders were in your pool for you to conclude who had the most consistent?"

    I dont need to see new born baby pups that is for people looking to buy puppies, I look at adult specimens. I have ALWAYS been interested in ALL things filas including disqualifications of all kinds not just the black dog. I research the white one, the blue ones, the "reverse brindle" the black ones, etc. How many pass a Temp test? HA! I caught you that was a trick question...FCI does not even ask for a TT until the dog becomes a champion. Lions den IMO has done the best work with the black dog because atleast he has narrowed his field to one, the neo kind.. it is no secret that is what he has, it is obvious to everyone (well apparently not). There are many breeders that breed or have those black dogs and I have seen them. I am interested in those dogs and have even personally messaged the CAFIB echelon about the black fila. I have started topics with them about a possible introduction of black dogs into CAFIB and unanimously they said IF they found 1 that could get an initial registration, breed to multiple mates and the litters get evaluated and they turn out correct then CAFIB would have approved the first black fila.... As you can see I dont have anything against the black "Fila" except that I have yet to see one. I have posted about a time that I got hoodwinked, remember? someone posted a beautiful black dog in a non CAFIB forum... I said to myself "holy shit CAFIB has to approve this dog", it was freaking flawless except for a slightly long neck... like an idiot, I emailed CAFIB judges and the echelon of CAFIB.....It was a CAFIB champion that was photoshopped to be black... fine, fine, fine, people laughed at me for a few days but it goes to show you, i would accept any dog that fit the standard.

    "Sheeple"? Sheeple are people who follow the flock blindly even when there is information to the contrary... you my friend are part of that flock.
     
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  13. Tiger12490

    Tiger12490 New Member

    What flock theres 3 of us stating the same thing? Lol both sides have trash and both have good dogs you will not at all recognize that one fact instead you fling your cafib crap to the masses and the (sheeple) believe every word why? I think its because you have good dogs and promote the Cafib but that does NOT mean they are all good dogs or even all dogs that fit the standard....its just crap lol and I really dont even understand why im arguing with you about it because to think one side is superior with no proof whatsoever is insanity....and if you have proof number one there where never black fila....number 2 that the model the Cafib has for Fila is what the breed was in its conception....and number 3 all Cafib dogs fit that description then hell il be part of the CAFIB bandwagon. ....but instead you'll make a witty comeback and I'll waste more time asking you questions that will never get answered

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  14. mountainfila

    mountainfila Active Member

    ***How many pass a Temp test? HA! I caught you that was a trick question...FCI does not even ask for a TT until the dog becomes a champion***

    Sorry Juan the jokes on you, FCI does not give you your champ papers until the dog passes the TT, not the other way around, that just doesnt make sense.

    Most people that show their filas start out as pups in the ring and most of them may obtain their championship by age 1 , so what you are saying is cafib tt young dogs that have not matured yet? Didnt you say that filas are tt prior going in to be judged? Is there a certain age they start at or are they all lumped into a pass/fail situation no matter the age?
     
  15. aceoutdoor

    aceoutdoor New Member

    Fact: The Fila Brasileiro was created by various known and unknown breeds hundreds of years ago.

    Fact: We will never know the exact makeup of the Fila Brasileiro.


    Fact: There are different types of Filas with many coat colors and slightly different builds because these dogs were developed by necessity and evolved for centuries on farms scattered across a country over 3 million square miles in size.


    Fact: There are inconsistencies in CBKC type Filas. There are excellent examples of the breed in this type, and there are poor examples of the breed in this type.

    Fact: There are inconsistencies in Cafib type Filas. There are excellent examples of the breed in this type, and there are poor examples of the breed in this type.


    Fact: There are certain unique physical and behavioral characteristics that when all are present separate the Fila Brasileiro from every other breed in the world. SOME of these characteristics are molosser skull, thick boned, dewlap and loose skin, ascending top line, camel's pace, extraordinary speed and agility for giant breed, crooked tail, ojeriza-extreme dislike of strangers, exceptional bravery and drive to attack agitators, females show noticeable femininity in build as well as when walking, the ability to recognize eye contact from humans or other dogs from afar, cat like stalking especially when young, extreme emotional attachment to owners, emotionally vocal, a constant need to touch some part of their body to their owners body, will constantly offer their paw.
     
  16. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    Nope, the jokes not on me.. I know they need it to become champs in FCI, it is what i meant and I have said it multiple times b4. IN CAFIB for an initial adult approval they MUST go through an eval that includes a Temperament test. The evaluation is done before they can even enter any show. Another words they must be filas in order to be shown or at the very least show that they are filas outwardly (meaning in order to get full approval they need to breed and have their pups approved as well which is why it is difficult to get CAFIB papers.) dogs that are 1 yr of age can have adult initial approvals after evals (not b4). CAFIB recently changed it to 1.5 yrs old but that rule for whatever reason does not involve dogs in the U.S.

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    Tiger you dont seem to undertsand.....you dont know what a CAFIB dog is so what your idea of a CAFIB dog is is wrong. you thought the picture of the dog in the initial page was a CAFIB dog.... NOPE! your idea of a CAFIB dog is what i got and whatever some of these schmucks want you to believe they are by either showing you pics like those or showing you pics of puppies and such, I catch them all the time doing that. a flock can be any # of people that follow the same belief blindly... new people have the choice when they listen to an argument/discussion.....


    ACE..
    FACTS: Filas have hair
    FACTS: many filas have 4 legs
    FACTS: Filas have been know to have tails...

    oh brother.
     
  17. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    Tiger you dont seem to undertsand.....you dont know what a CAFIB dog is so what your idea of a CAFIB dog is is wrong. you thought the picture of the dog in the initial page was a CAFIB dog.... NOPE! your idea of a CAFIB dog is what i got and whatever some of these schmucks want you to believe they are by either showing you pics like those or showing you pics of puppies and such, I catch them all the time doing that. a flock can be any # of people that follow the same belief blindly... new people have the choice when they listen to an argument/discussion.....


    ACE..
    FACTS: Filas have hair
    FACTS: many filas have 4 legs
    FACTS: Filas have been know to have tails...

    oh brother.
     
  18. chuckorlando

    chuckorlando New Member

    Like you juan, Tiger is likely adapt at googling dogs and listening to other folks tell him their version of the facts. If that counts as your extensive research I dont see why it dont count for him as well.
     
  19. Tiger12490

    Tiger12490 New Member

    Exactly and ive talked to people on both ends not just Juan. ...I know what a Cafib dog is I also know alot of people think that the you guys focus TOO MUCH on temperament and therefore have lost phonetic similarity....and my statement STILL has gone unanswered I wonder if its because again he has NO PROOF! Im done with this thread because now it is he say she say with Juan being asked many many times for proof to make what he sais true ...but there is none...anywhere else people would be called a fraud....

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  20. dogman#1

    dogman#1 Active Member

    chuck... I dont just "google" dogs.. I got to breeders kennels multiple times a year (ask the wife, she hates it). I go to the shows, I read, I have conversations with breeders on both sides EVERY day... but who knows maybe googling is enough...

    Tiger if you knew what a CAFIB dog, breeder or anything about CAFIB you wouldnt have used those pics in front to make a point. now what proof are we talking about? Hey what happened to your leader ACE? wanted to let him know that his "Official internationaly recognized club" (fci) got thrown out (deemed illegal) of Belgium and is still not recognized by the brazilian ministry of agriculture... but guess who is.... lol CAFIB!!!! Now Oficially the ONLY internationally recognized standard for the Fila Brasileiro, lol. (BTW, that was a joke just like when Ace says it) FCI is still an internationally recognized entity in other countries and so are their standards but cbkc is not recognized by its host country... funny eh?
     
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