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The Tarzan Syndrome

QY10

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Ah, yes. I have a "dog in need of space" aka DINOS. I live in a neighborhood where people think that their dogs are exempt from the town leash law. Even if they don't have dogs, the majority of people are clueless when it comes to dogs. What is described in the article linked below has happened more times than I can say. And the problem is that when people don't listen to a firm request, I'm forced to raise my voice and get my dog out of the situation - which then makes him anxious because I've raised my voice. So frustrating.

http://dogsinneedofspace.com/2012/12/01/my-dog-is-friendly-a-public-service-announcement/

Great article! I absolutely hate the, "my dog is friendly" battle cry. I don't frankly care what your dog is, who your dog is, or if it wants to meet me and my dog. My dog and I are not interested. Angus is not always friendly when it comes to strange dogs barging into his space and disrupting his walk.


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Yamizuma

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Great article! I absolutely hate the, "my dog is friendly" battle cry. I don't frankly care what your dog is, who your dog is, or if it wants to meet me and my dog. My dog and I are not interested. Angus is not always friendly when it comes to strange dogs barging into his space and disrupting his walk.


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Ya mon!


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fila4me

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OMG!
I love this! My girls want to kill this person as much as I do.
I have perfected the perfect and effective total bitch look after
over 21 yrs loving Filas. Lol

Your description was wonderful!
 

QY10

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You are right. They do talk (scream) baby gibberish.
You know... being that I'm 6.5 and tattooed all over usually means no one wants to talk to me. This plus having a true 200 pound Mastino means men leave us in peace. It is these entitled kind of females who think that they have the right to intrude. I guess those are the same kind of women who act out of line at my concerts as well. I cannot tell you how often these women look surprised when I tell them that crotch grabbing is out of line. As if I said something offensive... lol

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Hahaha I'm pretty heavily tattooed compared to most people as well, which I think puts some people off. That and I give off the "bitch vibe" to avoid being approached. I don't want to answer questions about my dog, nor do I want to answer dumb questions about my tattoos or piercings.


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Yamizuma

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Never say bitch like it's a bad thing! I love my bitch side! She rocks!


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Yamizuma

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Hahahahaha and people think Canadians are uber polite.


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Yep. I am also Canadian, so might have to say so sorry but F.O., eh? Excuse me but, pi** off! Sorry! Hoser!


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Nik

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You are right. They do talk (scream) baby gibberish.
You know... being that I'm 6.5 and tattooed all over usually means no one wants to talk to me. This plus having a true 200 pound Mastino means men leave us in peace. It is these entitled kind of females who think that they have the right to intrude. I guess those are the same kind of women who act out of line at my concerts as well. I cannot tell you how often these women look surprised when I tell them that crotch grabbing is out of line. As if I said something offensive... lol

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The crotch grabbing is odd how would anyone not see that as offensive or not ok to do? As for size and intimidating looks I sadly have the opposite problem. No matter how tough or stern or serious I talk absolutely nobody is intimidated by a 5ft tall woman. :-(


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Nik

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The sound of your voice is not the issue at all. You may have a high pitched voice but what I'm talking about is screeching and the whole insane behavior that goes along with that kind of insanity.
As far as all animals loving you. While most dogs do appreciate people who have love for them and are able to sense that let me assure you that this does not apply to "all".
A properly bred Fila, Mastino, Caucasian O, Kangal and so on would and should not love you back unless you are family and in some cases they only love one person.
Assuming that all dogs love you can get you hurt and is often a giant box of trouble once opened.


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I would say the same to anyone who said the same thing I had. ;-) luckily I'm also exceedingly polite so I don't approach other people's dogs unasked.

The only time my own delusions might be a danger to me are when I come across escaped loose dogs or strays... And yes I am not as cautious as maybe I should be in those situations. I tend to risk traffic etc if it means saving a dog in need. The idea of letting a dog get hit by a car is just not something I can abide. And mostly this has worked out just fine for me.

Only one time was it ever not a great idea in hind site. And that was the time we saw two pit bulls running the streets loose. I went to go gather them and check the tags without hesitation and Sean who was with me at the time freaked out and told me not to approach them. I gave him a funny look like "why the heck not I'm going to help get them home again of course" and continued... Until they started growling and snarling and then I stopped and reassessed. That was a difficult moment because I didn't want to leave them in a dangerous situation so I wasn't sure what to do. Well the dogs saw me stop and determined I wasn't a threat and before I could figure out how to proceed they turned and trotted off around the corner.

I tried to drive around and find them but with no luck so I have to assume they found their way home again. Or so I hope.

So ya I guess there are situations but honestly that's the only time any animal other than a chicken or a goose has been hostile towards me so I sort of assume with time and patience the dogs would have warmed up and let me help them.

To give you an idea of my track record and the cause of my delusions I have had wild deer trust me and follow me home into my house (as a kid). I have had wild squirrels eat from my hands (again as a kid) and can typically get any animal regardless of species to come to me by calling. My family and friends often tease me calling me "Snow White". So I guess I would say I'm not entirely typical. But I also don't charge animals I don't know with outspread grasping arms and baby talk. That isn't usually how they want to be approached and mostly I let them approach me and they do.


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Nik

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Oh I did have one other less than brilliant moment with a strange dog due to my complete lack of fear but I wouldn't change anything I did even if it hadn't turned out ok. We were on a walk with Diesel and Cerberus some idiot couple was walking their standard poodle off leash. The poodle attacked Diesel. Full on angry attack. I didn't hesitate and launched myself at the poodle, and pulled it off my Diesel who made no attempt to defend himself and had flipped onto his back exposing himself. I got the poodle off before any damage was done and the poodle didn't turn on me and I held it in place til the idiot owners made their slow way over to us.

I knew that jumping in and handling a strange hostile aggressive dog wasn't brilliant. But I would still risk it again to protect my dog. There was no way I was letting him get mauled if I could help it. Luckily the poodle was perfectly sweet and nice to me despite my interruption. I was not for once I my life endeared to that particular dog. I was too angry about the attack on Diesel.

So ya even with politeness to other owners feeling invulnerable to all animals can be a dangerous mindset. Which I guess is my long way of saying I know you are right but I still hold my delusions. :)


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MandyLionRock

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I would say the same to anyone who said the same thing I had. ;-) luckily I'm also exceedingly polite so I don't approach other people's dogs unasked.

The only time my own delusions might be a danger to me are when I come across escaped loose dogs or strays... And yes I am not as cautious as maybe I should be in those situations. I tend to risk traffic etc if it means saving a dog in need. The idea of letting a dog get hit by a car is just not something I can abide. And mostly this has worked out just fine for me.

Only one time was it ever not a great idea in hind site. And that was the time we saw two pit bulls running the streets loose. I went to go gather them and check the tags without hesitation and Sean who was with me at the time freaked out and told me not to approach them. I gave him a funny look like "why the heck not I'm going to help get them home again of course" and continued... Until they started growling and snarling and then I stopped and reassessed. That was a difficult moment because I didn't want to leave them in a dangerous situation so I wasn't sure what to do. Well the dogs saw me stop and determined I wasn't a threat and before I could figure out how to proceed they turned and trotted off around the corner.

I tried to drive around and find them but with no luck so I have to assume they found their way home again. Or so I hope.

So ya I guess there are situations but honestly that's the only time any animal other than a chicken or a goose has been hostile towards me so I sort of assume with time and patience the dogs would have warmed up and let me help them.

To give you an idea of my track record and the cause of my delusions I have had wild deer trust me and follow me home into my house (as a kid). I have had wild squirrels eat from my hands (again as a kid) and can typically get any animal regardless of species to come to me by calling. My family and friends often tease me calling me "Snow White". So I guess I would say I'm not entirely typical. But I also don't charge animals I don't know with outspread grasping arms and baby talk. That isn't usually how they want to be approached and mostly I let them approach me and they do.


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Please don't misunderstand my meaning. There are people who have a way with animals. I am one of them. But let me assure you that no well bred Kangal, Mastino, Caucasian O or Fila would indulge you in the way a deer or squirrel would. They are specifically bred against making friends with strangers. Are there poorly bred individuals of these breeds who act like a Labrador retriever? Of course. But a proper representation of these breeds is incorruptible and won't make friends with strangers.
By the way... pitbulls are actually specifically bred AGAINST biting humans. So even with a breed that is the least likely to bite a human the possibility is there.
I applaud you for always helping dogs in need. Just please heed my words on this... you won't always get lucky.

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MandyLionRock

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The crotch grabbing is odd how would anyone not see that as offensive or not ok to do? As for size and intimidating looks I sadly have the opposite problem. No matter how tough or stern or serious I talk absolutely nobody is intimidated by a 5ft tall woman. :-(


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When you are in a band strange things happen all the time. I guess most pretty females don't often get scolded for grabbing someone. Let's face it... most men would gladly be molested by a sexy woman. But like anything in life stuff gets old after a while and once you get your libido out of the way you see how rude that kind of behavior is. Many people just feel entitled to do things to other people or dogs. I disagree with that if course.

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marke

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By the way... pitbulls are actually specifically bred AGAINST biting humans.
I would disagree , ............ dogfighters select their dogs for only one reason , game ...........health , temperament , looks , none of that matters ...... the thought pitbulls are the least likely breed of dog to bite you could get you seriously bit , as getting bit by a dog like a pitbull will probably be more serious than getting bit by most other dogs ........ that culling myth is either Stratton or Hammond book info ......... you'll be hard pressed to find a dogfighter that has practiced it for any length of time that hasn't been bitten , or that culled a winning/game dog based on human aggression ........ zebo , bolio , angus , chinaman , virgil , some of those dogs owners were afraid of their own dogs , because they had been bitten by them . the only reason you didn't know it until after the late 70's is previous to that those dogs were kept on chains by folks who knew what they were capable of ......... plenty of pitbulls have excelled at bite sports........... did you know Mike Sottile ?
 

babyjoemurphy

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Just the other day Linc a.nd I waiting in the truck while my hubby ran into the store. A car was parked beside us and this "crazy zoombielady" came up to said car looked into the truck and precession to start yelling "Holy Sh*t that's the biggest dog I ever seem. Holy Sh*t look at his head" of course Linc has now pulled himself back to the other side of the seat. She carried on for a good 5 mins with head, lips and arms going.
In turn I put his window up for 2 reasons.........he didn't find it fun and I wanted to rip my own ears off

I love the "is he friendly"
No he isn't I park in a parking lot of busy grocery stores, put his windows all the way down because he bites....seriously people

Also I had Linc to the vets. There was a pug that was so bag I took Linc away from him. I didn't want Linc having to deal with the crazy barking pulling evil mini me. Linc is stressed enough walking into the place. Then comes in an uncontrollable lab acting the same as the pug. Then they all start commenting on how well behaved Linc is as he sat there all calm

The mini me pug and lab leave. One of the vet techs comes out of a room and says" oh where did the pug go? I wanted to ask if we could get a pic of Linc and her together"
I looked at her and said "I'm sorry I wouldn't have allowed that" she says "oh Linc doesn't like other dogs"
And there it was. Must be the big dog that's not nice
My answer
"He loves dogs, just not untrained, yappy, hyper ones"

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MandyLionRock

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I would disagree , ............ dogfighters select their dogs for only one reason , game ...........health , temperament , looks , none of that matters ...... the thought pitbulls are the least likely breed of dog to bite you could get you seriously bit , as getting bit by a dog like a pitbull will probably be more serious than getting bit by most other dogs ........ that culling myth is either Stratton or Hammond book info ......... you'll be hard pressed to find a dogfighter that has practiced it for any length of time that hasn't been bitten , or that culled a winning/game dog based on human aggression ........ zebo , bolio , angus , chinaman , virgil , some of those dogs owners were afraid of their own dogs , because they had been bitten by them . the only reason you didn't know it until after the late 70's is previous to that those dogs were kept on chains by folks who knew what they were capable of ......... plenty of pitbulls have excelled at bite sports........... did you know Mike Sottile ?
Since you, as always, prefer to talk before you know what you're talking about let me explain my statement. Not for your benefit but others might be interested in this info. I'm surprised you don't know this already since you have been "raised by a man who fought dogs" as you so freely and moronically admitted.
I don't like people who fight dogs. I also don't like people who have friends who fight dogs. Not many people have seen the level of cruelty and suffering these poor dogs go through to entertain and make money for sub human filth.

Let me get something out of the way first. All of my knowledge on the matter has been accumulated through my many years of fighting the idiotic, cruel and senseless "sport" of dog fighting. I have on 5 separate occasions helped the police break up dog fighting rings and will continue doing this at any opportunity that may present itself. Dog fighting is one of the clearest examples of how demonically sick humans can be...
I do not condone this sort of evil and anyone who engages and condones this stuff is my enemy.

Having said all that I have learned many things about pitbulls in the process. What I'm about to say here is not what I "think" but rather what I know to be the absolute truth.
First people need to know how pitbulls are fought. It's not like a backyard brawl between two neighborhood dogs. It's a controlled spectacle for mentally ill people who get off on innocent animals tearing each other apart. Since these bloodthirsty idiots want to watch as long a fight as possible they have come up with rules to lengthen the matches and the gore in the process.
The way these poor dogs are fought is as follows...
Two dogs are put in a pit with a handler to each dog along with a referee. That means that there are two strangers to each dog present in the ring while the dogs fight.
The dogs are put on the opposite end of the pit and are let go at the same time.
The dogs then fight until one gets a hold of the other and causes enough pain for the other dog to start backing up and acts like he wants to stop fighting.
Once one of the dogs acts like he wants to stop fighting, the dogs are separated and once again put on the opposite end of the pit by their respective handlers.
Then the dog which acted like he might want to stop fighting is let go first.... this is called a "scratch". If he goes for the other dog in a straight line the other dog is let go and the fight continues. If the dog hesitates and doesn't "scratch" the fight is over.
Now... this demonic activity continues for hours.... sometimes for 3 or even 4 hours for the more game dogs of the breed. Pitbulls don't like giving up so you can imagine how long they have to fight and how often they might have to get separated and "scratch" during a single match.
They are separated hundreds of times during a multiple hour match. Now... anyone who has the pleasure of having a dog knows that every dog, regardless of breed or size, gets into it with another dog at some point during its life... may it be over a bone, jealousy, playing too rough or whatever reason it may be. And any loving dog parent will immediately separate the two dogs fighting off course. AND every dog parent knows that when you are separating two dogs which are fighting you have to be VERY careful because even your own dog might bite you in the process of breaking up the fight. Not because the dog is "mean" but because the dog is under stress and won't know who or what is grabbing him. So you can very easily get bitten by your own pooch. Now... if a pitbull does this, meaning bite anyone, during the sometimes hundreds of times they are being separated during a single match then the dog is disqualified, the fight is over and all of the betting money on this dog is lost.
These poor dogs get their ears ripped off and are bleeding and in pain all over but they still have to let a known AND an unknown handler separate them WITHOUT turning on them.
Remember that this atrocity is about MONEY. So it is logical that a dog that bites a human when they are separated won't make these monsters any money. It is also logical that these monsters selectively bred dogs that would not under any circumstance put their mouth on a human hand. Logic will tell you that one of the pitbulls key traits had to be the ability to stay calm enough to not turn on their human handler and even the stranger who happens to handle the other dog since both handlers need to be able to put their hands in there.
What I am saying here is common knowledge amongst people who know about the grim reality of dog fighting and how, why and what pitbulls were bred for.
Most people don't ever get to see a well bred dog of any breed. The average pitbull was not bred by someone who knew what makes a pitbull great. The pitbulls the average person encounters are nothing like what a real pitbull is and should be. 99 percent of the people who have German Shepherds don't have a clue what the pinnacle gsd can be and what it would be like owning such a dog. What I'm trying to say is that the average "pitbull" you read about in the news is NOT what the breed really is or should be.
I'm not saying that there aren't ghetto pits out there who are human aggressive. What I'm saying is that a REAL pitbull which had been bred PROPERLY has a built in reluctance to bite a human. The reluctance to bite a human hand while under stress is just as important a trait as the pitbulls willingness to do battle with another dog. These traits are important even to the average loving dog owner. Some may ask why it is important? My answer is that a bloodhound who doesn't live to track is not a bloodhound. A gsd that doesn't want to herd is not a gsd. A Fila that doesn't want to guard is not a Fila and yes... a pitbull that is human aggressive and won't respond to another dog's challenge is not a pitbull.
Anyway... I hope I made sense to those of you who were interested.
Remember that these sub human monsters are making money with these poor dogs and so they breed for the traits that enable them to make money.

Marke. Please stop reading my posts and please stop communicating with me. I know what kind of person you are and you don't have the knowledge to add anything as far as correct information is concerned. So can you and I just call it a day?
I won't read or comment on your posts and you do the same in return? If you and I met in real life and we had a conversation we would find out real quick that we have nothing in common and we don't like each other. The only logical thing to do at that point would be to leave one another in peace. So in real life I would ask you the same as I'm doing here... please do not speak to me. Not here, not in real life, not for any reason whatsoever. Please be so kind and leave me in peace.
Fair enough?


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MandyLionRock

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Just the other day Linc a.nd I waiting in the truck while my hubby ran into the store. A car was parked beside us and this "crazy zoombielady" came up to said car looked into the truck and precession to start yelling "Holy Sh*t that's the biggest dog I ever seem. Holy Sh*t look at his head" of course Linc has now pulled himself back to the other side of the seat. She carried on for a good 5 mins with head, lips and arms going.
In turn I put his window up for 2 reasons.........he didn't find it fun and I wanted to rip my own ears off

I love the "is he friendly"
No he isn't I park in a parking lot of busy grocery stores, put his windows all the way down because he bites....seriously people

Also I had Linc to the vets. There was a pug that was so bag I took Linc away from him. I didn't want Linc having to deal with the crazy barking pulling evil mini me. Linc is stressed enough walking into the place. Then comes in an uncontrollable lab acting the same as the pug. Then they all start commenting on how well behaved Linc is as he sat there all calm

The mini me pug and lab leave. One of the vet techs comes out of a room and says" oh where did the pug go? I wanted to ask if we could get a pic of Linc and her together"
I looked at her and said "I'm sorry I wouldn't have allowed that" she says "oh Linc doesn't like other dogs"
And there it was. Must be the big dog that's not nice
My answer
"He loves dogs, just not untrained, yappy, hyper ones"

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I hear you loud and clear. A mastiff that is in a small enclosure like a car is extra vigilant. These people just have zero common sense.
And you are right... no matter what a little uncontrolled dog does to start trouble, it's always the big dogs fault if he finally had enough.
It is for that reason that I have, believe it or not, a pair of wireless camera glasses which is switched on when I walk my dogs. I figure it just might save me some vet bills one day. That way I can always show that my dog was leashed and under control.

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babyjoemurphy

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I hear you loud and clear. A mastiff that is in a small enclosure like a car is extra vigilant. These people just have zero common sense.
And you are right... no matter what a little uncontrolled dog does to start trouble, it's always the big dogs fault if he finally had enough.
It is for that reason that I have, believe it or not, a pair of wireless camera glasses which is switched on when I walk my dogs. I figure it just might save me some vet bills one day. That way I can always show that my dog was leashed and under control.

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Love love the camera idea.
It's pretty sad when WE have to worry about our big dogs so much in public. I know Linc is very well behaved, loves people and dogs, but I have to be on the ready at all times to save Linc from the crazies. These ill mannered people and pets create a mess.


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