Duetsche_Doggen
Well-Known Member
9 months LOL!!! HS
The v lip is a moot point as most of the cafib dogs that are being placed in shows have a v lip not a u lip, so whats the deal with that?? I seen alot of the dogs in the show that was streamed a couple days ago most of them had a v lip. I thought cafib has stated that it was a sign of mix breeding.
Damn mix bred mongrels.
This statement is so incorrect I dont know whether you were joking or not... "Most" or was it like 1 or 2? Exaggerating w/o facts makes it difficult for the new person to gain proper knowledge. The tidbit that V lips are considered as a sign of mixed breeding is true but in and of itself is not a disqualification. The TRUTH is that it is a fault and IF there are several other signs of mixed breeding then it can make the judge come up with the obvious conclusion that the dog must be disqual'd due to mixed breeding.
When looking at a dog for potential breeding or show purposes you dont look at what makes the dog look right you point out what makes the dog look incorrect and out of standard... it shouldnt be considered "bashing" it should be considered constructive and it is to help that person make a decision. Being blind and ignoring the obvious faults leads bad breedings and multiple "types" that should have never existed before.
Tojvan, when someone tells you your dog is nice or only points out the good points be very wary as that is usually a sign that your dog is worse than it is because no dog is perfect. When ever I post a pic and all I hear is "love the color" or "wow he is so big" or "nice ears/eyes" etc... I'm like DAMN! how bad is he? If you get no negative critiques that person either doesnt know that breed or is trying to be nice.
Damn mix bred mongrels.
This statement is so incorrect I dont know whether you were joking or not... "Most" or was it like 1 or 2? Exaggerating w/o facts makes it difficult for the new person to gain proper knowledge. The tidbit that V lips are considered as a sign of mixed breeding is true but in and of itself is not a disqualification. The TRUTH is that it is a fault and IF there are several other signs of mixed breeding then it can make the judge come up with the obvious conclusion that the dog must be disqual'd due to mixed breeding.
When looking at a dog for potential breeding or show purposes you dont look at what makes the dog look right you point out what makes the dog look incorrect and out of standard... it shouldnt be considered "bashing" it should be considered constructive and it is to help that person make a decision. Being blind and ignoring the obvious faults leads bad breedings and multiple "types" that should have never existed before.
Tojvan, when someone tells you your dog is nice or only points out the good points be very wary as that is usually a sign that your dog is worse than it is because no dog is perfect. When ever I post a pic and all I hear is "love the color" or "wow he is so big" or "nice ears/eyes" etc... I'm like DAMN! how bad is he? If you get no negative critiques that person either doesnt know that breed or is trying to be nice.
Yes i was being serious and its not like 1 or 2 dogs its many , all you have to do is look at the kennels and look at there dogs, im not going to post them all here but yes they do have some v lips in their kennels. You said it right there "sign of a v lip is a sign of mix breeding, so if its a sign then the dog should be sent packin. And then in another sentence you say its a fault. Mix bred is mix bred, its like saying your only kinda pregnant lol, you either are or your not lol
See this is what I meant by exagerating..... at first you said "MOST" then it was "MANY" and then finally it is "SOME"... can you see how this might confuse someone.. I know that sensationalism is sometimes used to make a small issue seem huge but in the end it is just misleading to try and fool folks that dont know any better.
Now for the whole "V" lip issue... the CAFIB standard is pretty clear in stating what is a disqual what is a fault, and how multiple incorrect characteristics can become a disqualification... for example... a dog may have a high earset which might indicate mixed breeding or it can just indicate a fault... now what if that same dog had the high earset, small ears, V shaped lips, excessive skin, short muzzle, over the height, square shape, etc, etc... now with the combination of those characteristics it is pretty obvious that this is not just a bad breeding as it has too many characteristics of other breeds and it is disqualified based on that. However a fault if it is very severe may be grounds of disqualification in itself, say a cork screw tail (just an example).
Now it is not nec. to post all the pictures to prove your point (which you yourself already back peddled on going from most to some), see we live in the age of the internet and all you have to do is give us kennel names so we can see all those V lips that you talk about... BTW you should give some names with multiple examples that prove your statement so the new people would know that you werent intentionally misleading them.
oh with out a doubt there are CAFIB dogs with V lips but that is still a fault just like in the OP's picture... never said it was a CAFIB or a CBKC thing.. dont know why you ended up there. The point was you said MOST..that is a huge exaggeration as now it is just a couple. When I went to Itanhandu's farm they had about 60 dogs... 1 had a v lip it was paniel (one of my favorite dogs they had and it was Pacara's brother). Is it a big deal? not if the dog was otherwise very nice or only had very minute other faults.. this isnt the case with the dog posted... the head alone shows multiple faults. Again there is absolutely no reason for anyone to take offense at this. The faults are obvious and ignoring them or only pointing out the positives helps absolutely no one. Again, blind backslapping support is what is helping ruin this breed, proper critiques can only help it. btw I went to that site and i didnt see any dogs with v lips... maybe i missed it.. which one?