Saddened to see the truth

[cayeesmom]

In the end, there are breeders and there are pet people, different frame of mind, one not better than the other simply different.

Agree 100 %, I belong to the "pet side" but understand the" breeder side" completely. You have to look at the big picture. And I'm sure very few breeder take it light hearted to rehome an adult or returned pup.

 

[DMikeM]

I know that Jade's breeder has not rehomed "HER" adult breed pairs but in the same breath she has taken back 3 of her last letter and is looking to rehome them. I don't know what Odi's breeder has done. I know her dad had dozens of dogs on his kennel/farm maybe they also kept them. I know he borrowed dogs for breeding and returned them afterwards.

I understand how breeders will feel the need to replace the old with new, but just because I understand it does not mean I have to agree with it or like it.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Nope, no one said that you had to agree with it but to paint it as a black and white issue when it isn't is the reason you will get breeders bitching about un-realistic pet people.

There is a reason that breeders have a damned if you don't and damned if you do philosophy on things and have thick enough skin to not worry if someone looking in does understand or doesn't always agree. They are also the reason these wonderful breeds continue irregardless of the flack they take for making the hard decisions.

 

[Boxergirl]

I will never be a breeder. It's too hard in too many ways. I don't think it's so simple as "the need to replace the old with the new." That's not it at all, unless you're talking about backyard breeders. If we want to maintain the breeds that we love, and improve upon them, then we need good breeders. And yes - sometimes it is necessary to replace the old with the new. For the good of the dog and to bring strengths to the line. My breeder friends only allow their bitches to have two litters. They have to wait until 2 years old for testing and then they wait a minimum of one year between breedings, usually longer. None of my friends will breed a dog past six years (I'm talking boxers). They never have more than two females of breeding age at the same time. They aren't making money from this. They are doing it to improve the breed they love. I can tell you that every one of my friends has taken back adult dogs from past litters and they are all involved in rescue. They work just as hard to place a dog from a byb as they do a dog that was returned to them from their own lines. And when they must place a dog that has been family to them they do not do so lightly, but out of necessity.

 

[DMikeM]

Here this shed some light on it for me.

For the pure destruction of the dog, puppy mills cannot begin to compete with "hump and dump" hobby breeders who crank out two, three or four litters a year, perhaps keeping one dog out of every 10 or 12 produced, and never working any of them.

Of course the "hump and dump" crowd never recognize themselves in the description. According to them, it's the "puppy mill" and "backyard breeders" that are wrecking working dogs.

In fact, in most cases, dog breeds have been wrecked by show ring aficionados who pay for their show ring hobby by engaging in "hump and dump" dog breeding to defray the expense of traveling around the country to show their dogs and collect rosettes.

Are you a "hump and dump" dog breeder? Maybe. Or as Jeff Foxworthy so memorably puts it, You might be a redneck if ....

1. If you think breeding is a "sport," you might be a "hump and dump" dog breeder;
2. If you bred more puppies last year than the number of days you actually worked your dogs in the field, you might be a "hump and dump dog breeder";
3. If you have an "available" dog on your web site or posted to a list, and you are breeding another litter, you might be a "hump and dump" dog breeder;
4. If you have been in your breed of dogs for less than five years and are breeding a litter, you might be a "hump and dump" dog breeder;
5. If you seem to have a permanent "puppy for sale" posting on any of the boards, you might be a "hump and dump" dog breeder;
6. If your web site gives instructions on how to air-freight a dog across the country, you might be a "hump and dump" dog breeder;
7. If you have regularly advertised puppies for sale in a magazine, in the newspaper, or on a "pets for sale" web site, you might be a "hump and dump" dog breeder.
   
   
8. If you have a PayPal link on your web site so people can buy puppies quickly, you might be a "hump and dump" dog breeder;
   
   
9. If you have a web sit that sells dogs, but do not have a prominent link to a rescue organization you might be a hump and dump dog breeder.
10. If you have "kennel reduction" sales in which your goal is to dump all the older dogs that are no longer in the running for ribbons or are no longer of use to you as studs dogs and breeding bitches, you might be a hump and dump breeder.

 

[Ehl]

OMG Mike........ Jeff Foxworthy .... so true, funny and sad at the same time.

 

[Slinger-girl]

I actually do not disagree or the descriptions with that list..hump and dump, lol but sad too

 

[DDSK]

I couldn't do it for sure.
I get way too attached to my dogs and I have a hard time leaving them for any amount of time.
Their first time being left alone will be next month while we take a week long vacation (non Dog Friendly)
We will have a good friend of the dogs stay at our house for the week, but they will be left alone while he goes to work.

 

[DMikeM]

hmm, I should not have posted that last post ^ if an admin is around please remove it.

 

[Cody]

I understand what you are talking about Mike, but you are coming at it from the pet POV. Reputable Breeders breed to better their lines. In doing so they should probably retain at least 2-3 pups from each litter to watch mature. Lets say they have 1 litter ever 2 years, breed their bitch 2x. That there is 6+ dogs in a house, now the female who has had a good life is getting a little older and is living with multiple dogs. The attention tends to go to the younger ones as they need the time and work training, showing working... So then there is a couple that is looking for a mature dog, a dog that will be their only pet and live out their life on a couch spoiled rotten... Why is it that the retired female should not go to that home, where she will get more one on one and attention. I see nothing wrong with rehoming a retired female. The reason reputable breeders do it is NOt because they are dumping the dog, it is because in all honesty that is the best interest of the dog that they love very much. It is not black and white.

 

[TWW]

Pretty much this post sums up why I will NEVER be a breeder. Have always loved my pooches, and could simply not do it.

You can look at it 20 different ways, at the end of the day.

 

[cinnamon roll]

Honestly, I see both sides.

But I NEVER understood it until I asked a really good friend about it. The how's and why's? Once I heard and understood their side of it, it finally clicked.

It is not that they don't care about their dogs (breeding or not) it is due to the

1. the laws on how many dogs you can have
2. what is in the best interest of the breed (to improve)
3. that they TRULY do love these dogs and they are a part of their family, but to be a breeder you have to do what is best for your breeds interests. (not a hobby or backyard breeder)
4. they MAKE SURE to find the best home for the dog, just because it is done breeding does not mean they are going to place the dog with just anyone!!!

If they didn't place these dogs into GOOD APPROVED homes, our breeds would not be what they are today.

Either you can breed or you can't. I don't think I could but, I do UNDERSTAND why they do place older dogs into approved good homes

 

[aliknit]

I've definetly seen ones that piss me off. Infact, if you saw my latest post in my Scammers Untie thread, there's someone doing it on my local craigslist right now. They were selling "AKC English Mastiff puppies" for $500 each a few months ago, now all the sudden they're selling a 2.5yr old bitch (with prominent nipples, like she's nursed) "cause she doesn't get along with other dogs" for $200......pretty sure you can guess my reaction!

I just purchased a puppy in PA for 2,000 dollars that has a severely kinked tail (affecting ability to deficate) My Vet wants to amputate it. And Known kennel cough they told me was allergies!!!