Kennel Blindness

[Duetsche_Doggen]

I've been wanting to ask this for a while....

What do you think it means to you? How do you feel about it? How do you feel about your particular breed as a whole? Is kennel blindness rampant in your breed?

 

[chuckorlando]

I dont think the term really covers it. ahahaha. There is blindness from owners and clubs and breeders. That whole trees are hiding the forest thing

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

LMAO! Way to go chuck.

To me it means people can't honestly evaluate the dogs that are in their own kennel/program. I think it is a huge problem, not just in my breed but in others as well but as I am in my breed, yes it is rampant and yes it is a problem and yes there will always be those that bitch about others having it while completely overlooking the issues with their own dogs. Unless you can change the person you won't change that way of thinking.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

:lolbangtable:Chuck I like how you put that.

Mary that's pretty much how I feel about it. I think one should recognize the faults of their dogs first and understand them.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

If you manage to get that done DD I think you will be considered a goddess! The chances of it happening make my chances of winning the lottery look awesome!

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

LOL! is it that hard? I look at both of my dogs and constantly "studying" their faults.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I guess so since very few seem to do that or if they do they aren't honest with themselves let alone others. And some I think are truly so blind because of love for their pets they just can't get past that to honestly evaluate their dogs.

 

[DDBsR4Me]

I dont think the term really covers it. ahahaha. There is blindness from owners and clubs and breeders. That whole trees are hiding the forest thing

LMAO! Way to go chuck.

To me it means people can't honestly evaluate the dogs that are in their own kennel/program. I think it is a huge problem, not just in my breed but in others as well but as I am in my breed, yes it is rampant and yes it is a problem and yes there will always be those that bitch about others having it while completely overlooking the issues with their own dogs. Unless you can change the person you won't change that way of thinking.

:lolbangtable:Chuck I like how you put that.

Mary that's pretty much how I feel about it. I think one should recognize the faults of their dogs first and understand them.

Well said all of you! I think it is horrible in DDBs ....and some of the dogs I see earning their championships - bleh!

LOL! is it that hard? I look at both of my dogs and constantly "studying" their faults.

I do this all the time too, and mine are just my pets. But I know the standard as well as what I want and like in the breed and in my dogs, even though they will likely never see the inside of a ring.

 

[Cody]

I agree, kennel blindness IS rampant in our breed as well as most. Too many are way too preoccupied with attacking/policing others to really stop and take a good look at their own yard. The other huge issue I see is too many people can't see past their own personal agenda's and politics to actually see a good dog when it's in front of them. It is unfortunate, but I guess that is part in parcel with the dog world.

 

[chuckorlando]

I would have to say that the over whelming majority of breeders have very little to do with politics, policy, or anyone elses dogs. Most breeders, like most owners are ignorant. I dont mean byb I mean real breeders with talking points and all. They own a dog, they read a few papers, they look at other peoples pics, they find a second dog and they go for it. Now where they got their papers that formed their views may be very much political. But the poor sap who stumbled acrossed it has not done the leg work to know if their opinion is solid. Like any person born into a relgion. They know what they were told. They never pick up a book from the other main religions. They never research the contradictions inside their own book. They just assume they are right. They use the same excuse they read in that paper to explain away doubt or questions. Like the old "we aren't ment to understand gods will" or something to that effect. For example, a cafib believer that has not even looked past what they found on their breeders web site and links. Of course the opinion he adopted was formed from a one sided political based theory. But he's just a jack ass that believes anything he reads

 

[Tailcreek]

some I think are truly so blind because of love for their pets they just can't get past that to honestly evaluate their dogs.

Exactly!

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Well said all of you! I think it is horrible in DDBs ....and some of the dogs I see earning their championships - bleh!

I do this all the time too, and mine are just my pets. But I know the standard as well as what I want and like in the breed and in my dogs, even though they will likely never see the inside of a ring.

I am always picking my own dogs apart and constantly sharing pics with my mentors and friends to get their opinion on what they think.

I agree, kennel blindness IS rampant in our breed as well as most. Too many are way too preoccupied with attacking/policing others to really stop and take a good look at their own yard. The other huge issue I see is too many people can't see past their own personal agenda's and politics to actually see a good dog when it's in front of them. It is unfortunate, but I guess that is part in parcel with the dog world.

Hmmm interesting words, bash/attack and policing, they are often thrown around by those that feel like they have been the recipient of an un-deserved attacks, and I would agree without proof these are good words to describe what happens in most circles, the corso is no exception but what words would be used to describe this happening when there is proof?

While I think people need to focus more on what is in their own yard I also don't think ignoring those doing harm to my breed or any breed for that manner should be ignored. If there is documented proof of the then it should be shown and the "breeder" held accountable. It helps no breed to pretend it isn't happening and to sweep it under the rug and allow it to continue, show the documentation and let the chips fall where they might, "proof is in the pudding" so to speak. If they are guilty then I can certainly see them using words like bash/attack and being policed, to try and deflect their guilt. We have seen these types of posts on here where people have talked about harming our various breeds and have met with some strong opinions from all of us, I remember their replies saying they felt attacked/bashed and policed, but I don't think too many of us felt sympathy for them or entertained their excuses when they talked about harming or polluting the breeds we love and are passionate about.

As for leaving politics out of it when it comes to a nice dog being a nice dog no matter where it resides that isn't likely to change as the politics never do. But when I see a dog I like or that I think might turn out well then I will comment, it is my opinion and mine alone if I like a dog or not and chose to comment or not. There are some dogs I like and lots I don't, like I would imagine it is for most people, I am a big girl and proud of my dogs so like to share them but it doesn't hurt my feelings when people don't comment. If they like my dogs and wish to comment then that is great, if they don't like them and chose not to that is fine too.

I would have to say that the over whelming majority of breeders have very little to do with politics, policy, or anyone elses dogs. Most breeders, like most owners are ignorant. I dont mean byb I mean real breeders with talking points and all. They own a dog, they read a few papers, they look at other peoples pics, they find a second dog and they go for it. Now where they got their papers that formed their views may be very much political. But the poor sap who stumbled acrossed it has not done the leg work to know if their opinion is solid. Like any person born into a relgion. They know what they were told. They never pick up a book from the other main religions. They never research the contradictions inside their own book. They just assume they are right. They use the same excuse they read in that paper to explain away doubt or questions. Like the old "we aren't ment to understand gods will" or something to that effect. For example, a cafib believer that has not even looked past what they found on their breeders web site and links. Of course the opinion he adopted was formed from a one sided political based theory. But he's just a jack ass that believes anything he reads

We call this Kool-aid drinking Some like grape, some like cherry, some orange and some are able to mix them and actual form their own opinions and some continue to be led like sheep to a slaughter.

Exactly!

Wish it was different but it is what it is.

 

[northernmastiff]

Excellent points everyone. I have been involved in three breeds (significantly) in my life and a handful just on the side. Kennel blindness is rampant across the board and in breeds where the breed has split between "show" and "working" lines, it seems to be more pronounced. Labs are notorious for kennel blindness and I have had breeders tell me their dogs are perfection, meanwhile, they are missing the otter tail, and are about 30 pounds too heavy.

In the mastiff world, I have met both sides and even a few who believe that the only line worth saving is their own. I won't name the breeder but she was quite the treat to talk to.

I personally think that some breeders mean well. They start off noticing those faults and trying to improve their dogs but then they spend so much time trying to pump their line that they forget to check for a fault. The end result is that they have swallowed their own koolaid and have forgotten how to look at their dogs with a critical eye.

 

[Cody]

Hmmm interesting words, bash/attack and policing, they are often thrown around by those that feel like they have been the recipient of an un-deserved attacks, and I would agree without proof these are good words to describe what happens in most circles, the corso is no exception but what words would be used to describe this happening when there is proof?

While I think people need to focus more on what is in their own yard I also don't think ignoring those doing harm to my breed or any breed for that manner should be ignored. If there is documented proof of the then it should be shown and the "breeder" held accountable. It helps no breed to pretend it isn't happening and to sweep it under the rug and allow it to continue, show the documentation and let the chips fall where they might, "proof is in the pudding" so to speak. If they are guilty then I can certainly see them using words like bash/attack and being policed, to try and deflect their guilt. We have seen these types of posts on here where people have talked about harming our various breeds and have met with some strong opinions from all of us, I remember their replies saying they felt attacked/bashed and policed, but I don't think too many of us felt sympathy for them or entertained their excuses when they talked about harming or polluting the breeds we love and are passionate about.
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WOW, Is there something I am missing here? Judging from the comments above am I to believe I have been under "attack"? If that is the case it seems I am unaware of it, lol, wouldn't be the first time however. It does seem that you are referring to something specific from the comments made. Guilt and proof? Are you accusing me of something Mary? If so I would love to hear about it. Would love to hear what horrible thing I did to the breed.

 

[Cody]

LOL! is it that hard? I look at both of my dogs and constantly "studying" their faults.

I am constantly ripping my dogs apart. I have no issue discussing their faults and their strengths. Without doing that how can a breed improve.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

WOW, Is there something I am missing here? Judging from the comments above am I to believe I have been under "attack"? If that is the case it seems I am unaware of it, lol, wouldn't be the first time however. It does seem that you are referring to something specific from the comments made. Guilt and proof? Are you accusing me of something Mary? If so I would love to hear about it. Would love to hear what horrible thing I did to the breed.

Cody you couldn't possibly have done anything horrible to the breed, you aren't a breeder now are you? Only you would know if you have been under attack lately so I guess you would have to supply the answer to that. You certainly read a lot into a comment on the assumption that it is about you. Take the comments for what they are worth, another view point in regards to attacking/policing side of things, it is my opinion that too much is swept under the rug to avoid causing waves.

 

[Cody]

Ok Mary
And I agree 100% that too much is swept under the rug.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Um...wow...ok

Cody I"m constantly "ripping" on my dogs too........ I'm not too picky on "small things" but they do have obvious faults that drive me up the wall. The most irritating thing to me is that these faults are common, yet they are considered to be the "norm" in the ring. On the flip side there are people who feel it is their place to be the breed police. And that they have the "perfect" dogs. I LOVE my dogs too, but I love them to recognize that they do have their faults.

Quite frankly I don't care what people have in their yards or what they do with their dogs. There's far too many people who have no business breeding IMO but what does getting upset and telling them that they are "wrong" do???? The only thing it accomplishes is that these "breeders" come into the insight "pure breed" people are snobs and because of that notion they will continue their poor breeding habits.

I say this time and time again...that people's dogs will speak for them.

 

[Cody]

Yes, I have found that ripping on people tends to do the opposite of what is intended, however actually speaking to the people rather then about them can do wonders. Alienating can just cause animosity and people tend to respond with a F-you and continue doing what they are doing. By speaking to the people you can help them understand what potentially they can do to change, that is if they want to change to begin with... at least that is my opinion. Once upon a time I used to try to police, emailing every ad on kijiji lmao, that sure did a whole lot... There are a lot of dogs that shouldn't be in the ring, and I have seen dogs with DQ's knowingly be shown to their CH It drives me crazy seeing as our breed is relatively new, that some of these are the examples of what the judges are being introduced to. I know every dog has their faults, mine included, but at times I just shake my head...

 

[tojvan]

But he's so cute plus he's affectionate loyal, cuddly and very smart. I just want to pass on his genes he is such an amazing companion. I'm not blind I just see the cup half full.