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Joining the Unemployed

musicdeb

Well-Known Member
Thanks! I hate the direction the world is going. It seems no matter where you look, people are being treated as disposable. The so called unemployment rates are false, esp when you take into account the number of people that have given up, or have taken part time work. The world is replacing people with machines that do half as good of a job and "progress" is quickly creating a world of haves and have nots and more and more people are displaced. It is pretty sad.

When I lost my full time job four years ago to downsizing, I was worried, but found this part time job that actually paid well and gave me time to enjoy my farm and I let my stupid guard down and fell in love with the people here. I guess I got too comfortable, that's when things go wrong isn't it? You would think people behave better in a church setting, that is total bullshit! They are pretty cut throat in the business office. There will be no severance and since in the US a non-profit doesn't pay unemployment taxes, we are left without any benefits. That I did not know! So now they (the new jackass, I don't need anyone Pastor, who has 3 whole years of experience) have cut 5 staff members, and has cut pay for the remaining staff all but the little brown noser. Sorry for the ugly part, I'm a bit angry.

I will remain optimistic and should be happy knowing that it happens to others as well, but that thought makes me sadder. My church ladies have been calling, hugging, praying and really making me feel very loved, and I feel very blessed to have had 4 yrs with them. I'll miss them so much! I am grateful that I have a farm full of warm, loving animals and wonderful husband to keep me sane and will spend as much time as I can while job hunting, enjoying time with them! I get to look forward to Mastiff smooches all day long beginning Jan 1!
Robin, I have to say that you do have a great attitude about it all. Sure, you're human for venting but overall, you have a great attitude!
 

Robtouw

Well-Known Member
Bentley, what do you do, if I may ask? My hubby is self employed, but retired once from the military. He operates a restoration shop in our back 40 working on his beloved Toyota LandCruisers.
 

Bentley

Well-Known Member
I have recently opened Jimmy's K9 Care, we do home boarding and dog day care and have linked up with a groomer and dog walker. Money isn't great because I don't take on large numbers but I get by and its provides a base whilst I qualify as a trainer. But what it boils down to is I'm working with dogs which is something I've wanted to do for years.
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
I have recently opened Jimmy's K9 Care, we do home boarding and dog day care and have linked up with a groomer and dog walker. Money isn't great because I don't take on large numbers but I get by and its provides a base whilst I qualify as a trainer. But what it boils down to is I'm working with dogs which is something I've wanted to do for years.

That's what I want to do one day if I ever have enough acreage!! I would not mind boarding for those who are in the military!
 

Robtouw

Well-Known Member
I've always wanted to open a boarding house for pets!

i was escorted out of the church today by the new pastor and staff parish chair like
a criminal. Was supposed to work until the 30th. I was taken by surprise, and am still not sure why. What the hell did they think I would steal, a pew, old computer,ink pens! It makes me sad that this ass is leading a church full of nice people who deserve so much better. The whole escort out thing made me feel like total crap.
 
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ruthcatrin

Well-Known Member
If you've got friends in the church I'd have a word with them, if only to find out what the official word is on why you're not there as long as they said you were. Non-profit or not, slander isn't well taken if that ends up being their excuse.
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
I've always wanted to open a boarding house for pets!

i was escorted out of the church today by the new pastor and staff parish chair like
a criminal. Was supposed to work until the 30th. I was taken by surprise, and am still not sure why. What the hell did they think I would steal, a pew, old computer,ink pens! It makes me sad that this ass is leading a church full of nice people who deserve so much better. The whole escort out thing made me feel like total crap.

Now that's messed up!! I hope you find something better because you deserve so much better!
 

Robtouw

Well-Known Member
It took me totally by surprise. The pastor said too many people were upset about my job cut and their reaction s were "snowballing" out of his control.Basically he was tired of looking bad.
 

cinnamon roll

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
So escorting you out of the church like a criminals is gonna make him look BETTER???????

How embarrassing I am so sorry that you were treated like that. I hope that when the members of the church find out what happened that they will go find a new church.
 

Bailey's Mom

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
When the churches start using the tools of the demonic, all hell breaks loose.

I repeat my quote. The treatment you received was abominable. That churches stoop to such evil and seek to put on their Sunday faces to their congregations is nothing short of demonic. Your Pastor sounds like he has a bad case of narcissism. He can take no complaints, he has to overreact to protect his position. If there is an overseeing body, he should be reported and his tactics exposed. At the very least, the congregation should vote with their feet.
 

Robtouw

Well-Known Member
I plan on sending a certified statement to the NC United Methodist Bishop, not tha it will do much but at least it will rattle a few chains. He is so focused on money unlike his predecessor. Several members have already left over my jub cut, that was a part of why he kicked md to the curb early. He thinks people do not like to speak out. So Dec 31 I will ask everyone I know to email the bishop and this pastor a short comment. My goal will be to have my forum, mud forum, FB, Google and Twitter friends share the request. Id like to tick off his boss enough to get his butt in deep trouble with the Methodist conferdnce and teach him to be a little more respectful to others.Im supposed to get a final check Dec31, thats why Im not doing it right away. I would have left quietly if asked.
 

Bailey's Mom

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
This is a tactics in big corporations, they walk their staff to the curb to stop them from striking at their computer systems primarily, but this is not the behaviour of faith filled churches. In a Christian sense, this is Demonic. There is no excuse. And if money was the concern, well, believe me, that Pastor's books will need a thorough review. And that begs a question: in your position, we're you in the position to OUT the Pastor for financial irregularities? His behaviour was so over the top, there has to be a sub-text to explain his actions. Follow the money, honey!
 

Robtouw

Well-Known Member
Funny that you asked about money. I did have access to all the financial reports reguarding payroll, church debts, assets, etc. They've been shifting funds around like crazy to cover apportionment. In the United Methodist Church each church pays a percentage to the overall conference each yr. It is based on how much you pay out in overall receipts. This church was responsible for paying in $100,000 for the year. Apportionment is used to pay retirement, fund mission projects, benefits to organizations, etc. This church had an operating budget of about $685,000. They owe abkut $1.2 million for construction projects. I'm talking big bucks go in and out the door and this new pastor is all about money!
 

Bailey's Mom

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Did you ever mention any concern regarding the money and where it was being allocated or how it was being moved? I too have been in churches where heavy requirements were placed on small congregations and there was considerable anxiety about how to meet their goals and still keep the lights on.
I betcha he got wind of some harmless talk and his boot went up your keester. Still smells.
 

Robtouw

Well-Known Member
Not that I can think of. He cut five staff members from full time to about 15 hrs a week. I was the only one to speak out about the cuts. All five refused and were to end employment Dec 31. We were told "to keep it quiet". I to tell members because I dont want them feeling bad about not being able to say goodbye. Ive watched people leave places without warning and the people left behind all felt cheated or angry. I love these people and wanted to make sure they knew it. I think because I am not an ass kissing, I will follow everything you say person, that he was threatened by me. The majority of members came to me for everything from church info to help with phones, bills, checking their oil, etc! The average age is 65+. He wants young families in the church and feels the older population is "over", their experience, dedication, needs are not his focus. They were why I loved the job, they taught me a lot about people, history, positivity, and friendship. Was literally like having 100 sets of grandparents.
 

The_Farm

New Member
Wow. Unfortunately a church is also a business. It has to make money and stay in the black. However, your treatment was terrible. I don't know if talking with other people in the church would do any good but I hope it helped. Too often people stay quiet because they don't want to be on the "outs" with their peers. I ran a church for almost two years while the congregation was looking for a new pastor. When they finally chose one I walked out the door and have not been back. I needed to get away from it. My advice is to contact the head elder and talk with him/her. I also would request permission to adress the church after service but that is just me. I wouldn't point the finger at the the pastor but I would question the direction that this church is headed when it takes these kinds of actions. After addressing the congregation I would close with saying that although "I have been a member for X years I am leaving as I cannot be a part of this type of hypocrisy." It wouldn't get my job back but it may help the church get their act together again. I hope you have found some solid leads by now. When I got fired 22 years ago (I was injured and company let me go the day before surgery) I started my own business. I never looked back. Now at the age of 54 I am semi-retired and only work about 10 hours per week. My wife and I had to make some changes and we are now pretty much self-sufficient here on our little hobby farm but it was definitely the right choice for us. Remember that when God closes one door He opens another. The new door always leads us to a better place. Sincerely, Jeff