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Herbie attacked this morning

Marky

Member
I normally walk my dog nice and early and was returning at 7.15 this morning. As we approached the front door to my house two dogs - Stafford and a pit-cross (to my eye at least) - came out of nowhere, off the lead and attacked Herbie. The Stafford immediately went for his face so I kicked him a couple of times whilst trying to grab the pit by the collar - plus, Herbie was on the lead so I had that in the other hand. Fortunately Herbie got the Stafford on his back and had him pinned at the throat/head, but this is where it went wrong (if it wasn't wrong already...)

The owner of the two dogs arrived after around 90 seconds and, on seeing him and assuming he would help (big mistake), I pulled Herbie back to give the guy a chance to grab his Stafford - but he didn't, because he was clearly scared of Herbie. At that point the Stafford got loose and got a hold on one of Herbie' back legs and the pit somehow got a front leg. After much kicking, punching and twisting of collars I managed to get them off one at a time - all the time the owner telling me to keep hold of my dog, and that he only has his dogs off the lead because it's early and there isn't usually anyone around. He only had one lead anyway, put the pit on it and was still scared to come and get the other dog. Eventually I got Herbie in the house, with the help of a neighbour and dragged his dog away and down the road, from where it ran after it's owner. No apology...

Herbie has several deep bite and puncture wounds on his legs and is limping badly on his back leg, so I've taken him to the vet. Antibiotics and painkillers, and a possible broken foot bone (subject to an X-ray on Friday) and the poor guy is very subdued. Having discovered from neighbours that this isn't the first incident with these dogs, I also reported the incident to the police, who were as helpful as they can be. Initially their reaction was, if it's "dog on dog" we don't usually do anything. I persuaded them that it was way more serious than that, and to consider what would have happened with a smaller dog and perhaps a child or elderly owner. They agreed and admitted that this could be an offence covered by having dogs "dangerously out of control in public" and have passed it on to the local dog team.

I have some regrets - I should have looked after Herbie first and not allowed the Stafford out from under him until the owner had hold of him, I should have shouted for help and got the attention of a neighbour, I should have been more assertive with the other owner about getting his dogs away himself.

The aftermath won't be great either. I live in Brixton, in South London, and there is a problem with gangs using pits as weapons. Consequently, the dog team are likely to get a warrant and seize the pit under the BSL/Dangerous Dog Act, which I am not personally a supporter of. Plus, the guy knows where I live and will know that I reported the incident, meaning I'm going to have to be cautious generally and when walking the dog over the coming days. It's not something I will back down from, but I don't relish confrontation.

Sorry for the long and rambling post, but in felt the need to share.
 

tmricciuto

Well-Known Member
I'm so sorry to hear about this attack. The audacity of the owner to think it's ok to be off lead early in the morning. I live in AZ near an area where there are coyotes and while I don't walk the girls when it's dark out I always bring a walking stick with me for just this type of situation. I hope your baby is alright.
 

DDSK

Well-Known Member
Bad situation for sure, must have scared the crap out of you while it was happening, sorry that Herbie was injured and I hope the leg isn't broken. I would present the guy with your vet bills and demand payment for his stupidity.
Letting dog aggressive dogs loose on purpose is a crime in many states here in the USA, punishable by fines and jail time.
 

Jakesmum

Well-Known Member
I sure hope that Herbie is alright! What a horrible situation to be in. I agree with DDSK that the owner of the other dogs needs to be held responsible for your vet bills and needs to be held accountable for being so irresponsible!
 

Marky

Member
Thanks guys. Unfortunately, without wanting to stereotype too much, there are a lot of incredibly irresponsible dog owners where i live who simply do not care. I know more about this guy now, and where he lives. Even if he took seriously the idea of paying for Herbie's vet bills, there is next to no chance he would have the money. Fortunately I have insurance...

The most likely outcome is that he will have one or both of the dogs seized, which wouldn't be great as they will almost certainly be destroyed if they are taken from him. This is another reason I feel bad. But the alternative is that he will continue to let them run wild - this is based on what neighbours have told me.

On the positive side, Herbie has picked up during the day, after spending several hours asleep in his crate. I think his subdued state was probably mainly due to the painkiller. He's also putting a little weight on his foot so, fingers crossed, the damage is mainly the bite wounds and not a broken bone. Time will tell.
 

Ginurse

Well-Known Member
@Marky: So sorry to hear your story. What a horrible thing to see your dog attacked like that. Fingers crossed that Herbie's foot is just sore and not broken.
 

Liz_M

Well-Known Member
How awful, I don't see that you did anything wrong, that's a stressful and scary situation to be in. I'm glad Herbie will be OK.


Not stereotyping either but let's just say I no longer walk my dogs in my neighborhood (Just north of Murderville, aka Flint Mich.) I have had a couple of similar encounters and at one point took to carrying pepper spray. Too many morons who think it's OK to let their dogs out unfenced or otherwise restrained. It sucks, I'd love to just go out the door and go for a morning walk with the dogs but instead I drive to a nearby lake or river trail.
 

Th0r

Well-Known Member
Don't feel bad for his dogs! I wouldn't lose sleep if I were in your shoes and those dogs were euthanized for an unprovoked attack causing major injury!

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DennasMom

Well-Known Member
Dang irresponsible owners!

You did the responsible thing by reporting him. He has to learn to live with the consequences of his own actions.
Unfortunate for the dogs... but the only good result would be for them to get away from the owner and go to a good home, and that's not likely with a bite record.

I might invest in some security cameras... just in case he decides to spend any time around your house.
 

glen

Super Moderator
Staff member
You did everything you could,don't feel bad, hope herbie feels better real soon.
 

NYDDB

Well-Known Member
I would not feel remorse, either. If the dog-aggressive dogs can't be restrained or managed by an irresponsible owner then it's unfair- and dangerous- for others to live in fear. Too bad, so sad. And it is sad...for the poor dogs who were given a bad situation in which to live.

I hope Herbie will heal quickly from his wounds.
 

babyjoemurphy

Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear about this.
I agree you reacted as best as a person can in a sudden stressful situation. Could have, would haves usually come after the fact for most. Hard to handle 3 dogs with one hand for sure.

Hoping all is well with Herbie. Keep us updated

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Bailey's Mom

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
I was so sorry to read this. We had something similar happen with our Dogo/AM Bully. The dog was off leash, the owner made no effort to stop her dog from attacking and my daughter was trying to hold her Rottie back out of the action while the little Dogo was caught in the GSD's jaws. Thank God that this and a second incident a week later haven't changed the little fellow's good nature. He still loves all dogs and just wants to play. Bad Dog Owners Abound Around the World!

I hope you boy is on the mend and that he won't allow this event to change his sweet nature. And, as for the dogs in question, no matter how innocent they are (no training) they are dangerous and next time maybe it will be a child or a senior citizen. You did the right thing calling it in, and you may have just saved a life.
 

Vinny

Well-Known Member
Hope Herbie is not hurt too bad. You should be proud of him for protecting you.
You did nothing wrong and shouldn't feel bad about those dogs. You are exactly right. What if it were a smaller dog they came after or a small child? Or you without Herbie? Get him a nice bone and praise him!!!
 

Marky

Member
Quick update. Herbie was much more himself this morning and we took a short walk, almost no limping. Saw the same guy again, with one of his dogs still off the lead, but sufficiently far away that it wasn't an issue. Will have to see how this plays out with the police...
 

Marky

Member
Oh, and I realise I haven't updated with any photos of Herbie since he was a pup, so here's a recent one after a shower...

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And one with his reward...

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Rugers-Kris

Well-Known Member
Herbie is a very handsome boy. I am sorry to hear about what happened to him. You did the right thing. Something has to be done when owners are irresponsible.
 

babyjoemurphy

Well-Known Member
And let's all face it. As Mastiff owners if he had made a stink about it your boy would have been found guilty of being aggressive not the other way around. Big dogs are always responsible

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