Does any one know of a Neo breeder that....

[Cody]

It is bound to happen.
With the Corso, for example, we don't live on farms in rural Italy, we expect them to be social, or at least tolerant of strangers. I, however, do not want the temperament of a doodle that it seems people want in the breed now. I also don't want an insecure fear biter.
I want the aloof (to strangers) attitude. My dogs do not run wagging up to new people, excited and licking. They are not afraid of people, they ignore them unless I say otherwise.
Aurora, when working, will walk up to the kids when I say "visit" and get her pats and hugs and not blink an eye while it is happening. She enjoys it more now that it is kids, however
No one walks into my home without waiting for me to get the door, not friends or family. I have made it very clear that I own guardian breeds and that is unacceptable (the dead bolt is also helpful )
I would want the same with a Neo if/when I get one. I love the breed because of what it is, the complete package.
I expect my dogs to tolerate strangers petting them because we live in the society where people will just walk up and touch. I couldn't have a dog like a Fila because of that. But I know that so would not consider one at this point in of the game.
I do not believe that the temperament should be changed however, but we should try to maintain these dogs to what they should be, what they are meant to be.

 

[NeoBull]

You summed it up well, I want tolerant, confidant, aloof, I don't want a doodle personality at all.

So far with Branka, she likes to approach new people on her terms, and then if she likes them she will calmly/casually sit or stand at their feet to be pet. Sometimes she'll ignore people, or maybe even just be to lazy to care enough about them, hard to tell lol.

 

[chuckorlando]

Well you've described a perfect dog to me. Except the petting. I would'nt mind Kona letting some people pet her, But I doubt it will happen. But thats why weve tried to expose her to te few people she will have to be in close contact with. The one thing I absolutly did not like from Budda... He was to friendly. I've lost 3 months morgage to theft just out of my yard this year. All business related. Theve tried to steal the whole rig once(over 30k), tried to take the truck once and the trailer anoter time. Thats just the last 12m. Kona my not be a working dog in the strict form of the term. But she has a job and that job is to protect her family and her families property and business. And it's typicly someone you know who steals. So long term, I wont be mad if she hates anyone that dont live in my house. But I have read that filas are more than capable of being the dog you just layed out. Just very indifrent. Thus far thats Kona to a T. If she's on a leash se really dont care about you. Just leave her and she'll leave you. But she's still young so I figure we'll know where she's at by 12m

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Cody I agree with you about the doodle personality that's what bothers me. I don't want extreme shyness/fear nor do I want overly friendly, which is what most of today's breeders are striving for. In order to live in "our" society "we" change the dogs instead of adjusting to the breed's temperament.

I'd like my dog to be tolerant of people but to me it doesn't necessarily have to involve petting either. For some reason I noticed that people have a bad habit of interchanging "look" and "touch" yes you can look at him take pictures, but ask me before you pet him.


Not to mention that people’s perception of petting involves getting down on eye level with the dog, trying to hug, or kiss it. IMO this is something that should never be done with a dog you don’t know.

I also believe that personality comes into play as well. My first dog only "liked" certain people and was never very social. His happy place was by my side. For the first year I had him I tried to change that, then I realize that it’s just him and "forcing" him to like people was "wrong." Of course people could pet him but his body language was that of disgust, lol.

Thor on the other hand is a bit more…..lively. He’ll wag his tail let people rub all over him when we’re out, but in my truck or at home a switch comes on. While he will accept strangers upon first meeting he’s alert, focused, and “thinkingâ€.

If I got a Neo I would much prefer its personality to be like my first dog.

Ok rant over, lol

 

[LadyD]

Don't like the way that this breed has evolved. They went from handsome dogs to completely weird looking.

 

[LadyD]

I totally agree with not appreciating the excessive wrinkling of the breed's looks. When I see today's Neo's, they look like a big dog whose head and face has melted into a blob! What a mess! I love the cleaner look of the Neo's of old. That's why I like the way my 'Crush' looks. The boxer mixed in with the Neo just makes him have a 'neater' look. Crush's dad wasn't a melted blob looking Neo. He was more of the old kind. Everything seems to evolve into extremes; Appearance, temperment, etc. The Dobermann breed was all but ruined with breeders making them more and more aggresive. The dogs were turning on their owners and had a really bad reputation until the breeders smartened up and reversed that trait. If the public insists on buying dogs that don't have that excessive look, then the breeders will modify and judges will have to re-consider what wins. Judges have a lot to do with influencing how a breed look evolves. Everything seems to go from; 'a little wrinkle is good, so more must be better. Then even more is even better and it goes on and on until they've made a mess of things and the dog doesn't look like they started out and/or aren't functional. Look at the poor Bulldogs. Those little suckers can barely breath and can't bear their own puppies without C-Sections! What's that about!

 

[BradA1878]

The good news is, there is a very easy fix for bringing the Neo back to a phenotype that is more similar to the Neo's of the 40s and 50s... Just stop inbreeding!

If you take a minute and look at the pedigrees of the Neo breed, it's impossible to miss how freakishly inbred those dogs are. Really, it's the only way the dog can have such exaggerated and strange type - wrinkles like that don't exist on any other animal in nature for a reason.

The only way breeders can keep that look in the breed is by heavy inbreeding. If they were to stop inbreeding and start breeding their Neo's to unrelated Neos (if that is even possible now, after decades of inbreeding), those exagerated qualities would devo with the first generation. Even better would be to breed a Neo to a Cane Corso.

Anyway, I hate what the show ring has done to all the dog breed. It's very sad.

 

[Kelly]

Cody really appreciated your post, exactly what I want in my corso or Neo. Definitely need solid temp along with a decent looking dog. Those pictures you posted, those dogs look like Roman Gladiators. LOVE that look!

 

[NeoBull]

I think it's interesting that we all seem to be on the same page when it comes to what we'd like to see in Neo's... seems like the breeders and judges are the only ones out there appreciating the overly wrinkled look...

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Exactly NeoBull however if its "exotic" looking it will win, nothing else matters.

 

[FONTANA]

Here is my boy Santino...

 

[Tiger12490]

My boy has this dog running through his veins he's an import from SA used in bandog producing and steel trap still breeds functional working neos for personal use in bandog making there out there just hard to find....

Tapd on my skyrocket

 

[dogman#1]

I've never had one, but they are in my opinion, the best looking mastiff. Some have far to many wrinkles. All those pics are great except the one with croped ears. I just aint a fan of the look. I to like big dogs.I wonder what I would end up with breeding a male with my female Fila

ARRGGHH! this has been done to death already... you know exactly what you would get... a "black fila" or just another non CAFIB fila depending on whether or not you are truthful to their new owners or not.

There arent breeders breeding for more intense temperaments there are breeders breeding for proper temperament and breeders breeding for what they believe will sell better. I hear that argument alot but it is from mixed breeders who have "something for everyone". Harley acres was great for that... "we have filas with a mild temperament and some with hard temperament"... hell of a sales pitch.

 

[masteneo]

Man , We got chloe because she was half neo with less wrinkles. We have had several mastiffs , so we were well aware of possibilities that might show up in temperment. She shows very classic guardian temperment and strong will. But with work and patience she has become quit a remarkable family member. Its true beed for job. let the buyer research what they need and buy according, but this wrinkles to the max has to stop.

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A fila with a mild temperment? I have never met a fila in real life so that would be neat to see. have bred lowrider pits a bit so I can attest to pits being wonderful dogs too, no matter what some people say. Fila would be nice to see in a real even fila temperment.

 

[masteneo]

A fila with a mild temperment? I have never met a fila in real life so that would be neat to see. have bred lowrider pits a bit so I can attest to pits being wonderful dogs too, no matter what some people say. Fila would be nice to see in a real even fila temperment.

 

[dogman#1]

A fila with a mild temperment? I have never met a fila in real life so that would be neat to see. have bred lowrider pits a bit so I can attest to pits being wonderful dogs too, no matter what some people say. Fila would be nice to see in a real even fila temperment.

Breeding a fila with a "mild" temperament is like breeding an HA labrador... can it be done? yes but it shouldnt be done. Many people like the idea of a happy go lucky dog that they can brag to their friends about its history without actually having that actual temperament. with alot of the non CAFIB "filas" it isnt a matter of them being bred like that on purpose it is a matter of them being mixed bred with other breeds and the end result being a dog without the proper Fila Brasileiro temperament. Once they have bred such a dog the breeders dont want to make it seem as if theirs are sub par or incorrect so they make up stories of how the filas are actually not HA aggressive by nature and how theirs are the correct ones... this is nothing short of bad advertisement so that they could sell more dogs... dont buy into it.

BTW those "lowrider pits of yours... you mean American Bullies? if so then you can imagine the CAFIB Fila like a game bred APBT and the non CAFIB fila as the American bully to put things into propective.

 

[masteneo]

ahh ok . thank u dogman. one day u going to have to post some videos of ur boys working. i want to see.

 

[dogman#1]

go on youtube and type in "brasileirokid"

 

[Dogue]

In my opinion, those Neos no longer exist. And from some of your previous posts I'm assuming you would want a Neapolitan with a pedigree. However, there are some breeders that breed Neos that resemble some of those pics you posted. But they're not going to have a registry. I believe their breeding stock comes from Neo/Corso crosses, which I'm totally fine with. In fact, it's the only way to restore a functional Neo. But again these dogs have solid temp and might be an issue. But again, some AKC Breeders do breed Neapolitans with solid temps despite being anatomical messes. And those dogs would definitely be muzzled in public.

 

[bellareea320]

go on youtube and type in "brasileirokid"

Is that your dog? WOW