CC Question - Americanized vs. true Italian

[thelady_v2010]

Ok, I didn't think anyone here was alking about cheating and lying, which is what it would be if you bred a boxer with a cc and called it a cc. I thought the issue being discussed is the LOOKS and influence of certain looks in the CCs. Some CCs have a more boxer type look, even though it is 2 CCs being bred. The argument is more about the looks, not anyone saying it is okay to lie and cheat. Am I wrong?

 

[Cody]

Ok, I didn't think anyone here was alking about cheating and lying, which is what it would be if you bred a boxer with a cc and called it a cc. I thought the issue being discussed is the LOOKS and influence of certain looks in the CCs. Some CCs have a more boxer type look, even though it is 2 CCs being bred. The argument is more about the looks, not anyone saying it is okay to lie and cheat. Am I wrong?

The influence of other breeds comes from other breeds being introduced. It is the dog world, of course there is lying and cheating It really isn't that hard, especially in breeds like the Corso. To get a first generation FCI pedigree all one had to do was go under an FCI authorized Judge who would look at a dog with no papers, and if that judge decided it was "Corso enough" would issue a 1 gen pedigree. Doesn't take long to get a 3 gen from there and away you go... It is funny if you look at the pedigree data base then look at some dogs pedigrees the discrepancy is there. A pedigree is a piece of paper, it is only as good as the people who write it in ANY breed.

 

[thelady_v2010]

The influence of other breeds comes from other breeds being introduced. It is the dog world, of course there is lying and cheating It really isn't that hard, especially in breeds like the Corso. To get a first generation FCI pedigree all one had to do was go under an FCI authorized Judge who would look at a dog with no papers, and if that judge decided it was "Corso enough" would issue a 1 gen pedigree. Doesn't take long to get a 3 gen from there and away you go... It is funny if you look at the pedigree data base then look at some dogs pedigrees the discrepancy is there. A pedigree is a piece of paper, it is only as good as the people who write it in ANY breed.

My dog came with a pedigree, I assume it is really not worth anything, as my dog did not come with AKC registration. Here, I assume that is the standard?

 

[Cody]

Not saying that at all, it is what it is. What registry is your pup with? The AKC stud book is open until 2015, so with FCPR or ICCF you can still register your dog with the AKC. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that all pedigrees are a load of crap, I am just saying that they are the be all and end all. I still study pedigree's, but when doing so I look at other dogs that have been produced by the sire and dam from other litters as well. You can see inconsistencies in some litters and not in others. They are still the tools we have on hand in the breed, and are there to be utilized. I just take things with a grain of salt and not as absolute truth.

 

[thelady_v2010]

No, I am saying that. Since he isn't AKC (it is some other thing that I read meant nothing), I assume his blood lines are not great. I guess I should also assume that he could have some thing else in his line along the way. I don't even know who the breeder is, his stuff had a name and a state on it, but when I googled that I came up with nothing.

 

[Cody]

No, I am saying that. Since he isn't AKC (it is some other thing that I read meant nothing), I assume his blood lines are not great. I guess I should also assume that he could have some thing else in his line along the way. I don't even know who the breeder is, his stuff had a name and a state on it, but when I googled that I came up with nothing.

No, it doesn't necessarily mean that. What does it say on the top of the paper that you have? There are lots of breeders who do not register all their litters with the AKC, many do the majority still with the ICCF. There are a couple reasons for that, one being that they don't want the AKC to know how many litters are being produced Do you mind sharing some names on his pedigree? Someone on the forum may know them.

 

[thelady_v2010]

I will post some this evening, that would be cool if someone could look them over.

Her name is Ruth Graber, out of IN or IL (can't remember!)

 

[thelady_v2010]

Okay, I have the pedigree and I have doubts as to if it authentic. I researched some of the dog's that had kennel names and several are well known.

The registry that came with the dog is American Pet Registry, which google told me is the registry for puppy mills and means nothing.

 

[thelady_v2010]

I have tried to post a sort of table, but the forum takes out all the spaces and tabs.

Parents are:

Cashew and Soggy Bottom Beauty

Paternal Grandparents:

Sesma's Kong Di Hull and Clafkins Bella may Hull

Maternal Grandparents:
Mussolini Jacobs and Jacobs Lilly

Paternal GGP:
Castleguards's Russo Di Ses and Scadifio's Bella Di Ses
Stryker Della Porta Dipinta and Avalanche's Maya

Maternal GGP:
Celebrity's Don Gotti and Lexus Cote II
Ajay Gideon Giltner and Perfect Guardian's Bailey

Paternal GGGP:
Bruce II and Castleguard's Kruggerrand
Scandofio's Nino II and Scandofio's Megra
Diro and Celine Della Prota Dipinta
Avalanche's Crnobog and Paolina

Maternal GGGP:
Hannibal and Scandifio's Tobey
Mclemore's Blue Cross and Gray Ghost of Sicily
Nikko and Caprice Gotti
Ultimo Des Cerberes de Milord and Dynasty's Siciliy

 

[Cody]

Castleguard, Scandifio are known kennels in the states, there are many member's here with their dogs. Della Porta Dipinta is over seas but again well known. Avalanche does have a fair amount of Della Porta Dipinta in their lines, so who knows how far off it is. The Pet registry is not a legit registry, so there is no way of knowing if the pedigree is correct of it the "breeder" took the names of dogs and made it up. For me personally there are a few dogs I recognise in that list; Bruce and Nino being the 2 best known.

 

[thelady_v2010]

Castleguard, Scandifio are known kennels in the states, there are many member's here with their dogs. Della Porta Dipinta is over seas but again well known. Avalanche does have a fair amount of Della Porta Dipinta in their lines, so who knows how far off it is. The Pet registry is not a legit registry, so there is no way of knowing if the pedigree is correct of it the "breeder" took the names of dogs and made it up. For me personally there are a few dogs I recognise in that list; Bruce and Nino being the 2 best known.

I didn't really suspect it until I started researching it. So far it seems like I have a good dog, so I am just going to go with that!

 

[grazefull1]

ive also heard of rottie inflence does anyone have pic of that?

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

ive also heard of rottie inflence does anyone have pic of that?

Not sure what you mean. There are rumors that Rotties were mixed in with the lines and there have been puppies on here that you have seen that like they could be from that cross. Do you mean what the structural differences might be?

 

[grazefull1]

Not sure what you mean. There are rumors that Rotties were mixed in with the lines and there have been puppies on here that you have seen that like they could be from that cross. Do you mean what the structural differences might be?

well i mean like rottie heads, in some cc breeders website the say there shouldnt be any cc with rotttie blood in them(short,head,very wide)