CC Question - Americanized vs. true Italian

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Whether is "o.k" is a matter of opinion, and I agree with you that grey areas need to be addressed. For the future of any breed. But until then....these "ideal" dogs are as "good/bad" as the rest.

PS your only speeding if you get caught :lol: you lead foot!

 

[Cody]

"wiggle room" is not full out sprinting room. Just because the fact that many breeders and some judges "blatanly disregard it" doesnt mean that it is o.k and should be promoted or acknowledged as proper and correct. calling some of those mutts Corsos actually confirms their status in a new comers eyes and goes to be more destructive to the breed later on. Once it has been deemed as exceptable by a group it will become the norm later on.... try and look at it like speeding... if the speed limit is 55 I go 65 because I know most cops have a 10 MPH "buffer zone"... am I still speeding? Yes. Now on the belt parkway the speed limit is 50 and when there is light traffic it is expected that you go at least 70mph, why? because the 10 mile buffer zone became the new unofficial speed limit... see where this is going? give them an inch and they will take a foot... give them a foot and they will take a mile, etc, etc.

I think I may have a crush! The standards are not so different as to excuse many of the dogs that are clearly not Corso. That is the beloved argument of the boxerelli!

 

[dogman#1]

I'm a boy so dont crush on me but I am glad that I am not the only one that sees this obvious bastardization of a breed. People need to know what is correct and not correct and if that means crushing a dream then by all means crush it. We need to be big girls and boys here and the back slapping support of an animal that you know should not be bred is killing your breed as you know it. We go through it with the Fila where it is also as obvious but these two breeds are not the only ones going through it and it is because someone didnt tell the new guy that he shouldnt breed his mutt or that he got had. The more people know what is correct and not correct the better the breed will be even if that means that you ruffle a few feathers sometimes.... that's life.

 

[Smart_Family]

Cody's a girl lol

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

So I did a quick search on Basir, is he the type of dog breeders should be mass producing?

Also tried to find some old photos of Corsi, and as Cody mentioned most had a very heavily but nice ( IMO) Neo influence.

Where did the Boxer feature come from? Personally if comparing the "old boxer" to the Corsi I see similarities.....

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

"Real" Boxers

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Boxer/Corso and Basir

 

[Tiger12490]

"Real" Boxers

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Yep il take one 3rd one is really nice

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[Duetsche_Doggen]

LOL, I know right, not a Boxer person but damn they looked nice back then. I'm partial to the first and third one myself.

 

[Cody]

Yup female There are MANY that are vocal against the bastardization of the breed. The CC people here know on which side of this debate I stand.

 

[dogman#1]

oops, I figured Cody was your actual name...crush away. I'm glad I got people on the same side even though it is different breeds.

 

[Cody]

oops, I figured Cody was your actual name...crush away. I'm glad I got people on the same side even though it is different breeds.

Lol, it is my real name. It predates Kathy Lee Gifford naming her son Cody and the giant influx of 20 something guys that I now share it with. Lol. I agree, when I read the Fila threads I can completely relate. But the excuse of there are 3 standards will always be used, even though a Corso with correct type is the only dog that is correct to ALL 3

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I think I may have a crush! The standards are not so different as to excuse many of the dogs that are clearly not Corso. That is the beloved argument of the boxerelli!

Yup female There are MANY that are vocal against the bastardization of the breed. The CC people here know on which side of this debate I stand.

Cody there is more than just the boxerelli bastardation going on of the breed but I understand choosing to focus on one element is easier than discussing all the mixing and bastardazation going on. Not to worry, my boxerellies and I are more than fine that you don't care for them, they seem to sleep just fine at night LOL!

There are many dogs bred that shouldn't be for lots of different reasons, and it is justified on both sides and as long as it is them doing then absolutely there is nothing wrong with it. I think worrying about what is in one's own back yard might be a good starting point for most people.

Dogman you have your own opinions and you are entitle to them but until you enter the complete corso world and actually see what it is like and all the stuff that has gone on, is going on and will continue to go on as long as you belong to the right clique then we will just have to agree that it isn't so black and white.

 

[Cody]

Cody there is more than just the boxerelli bastardation going on of the breed but I understand choosing to focus on one element is easier than discussing all the mixing and bastardazation going on. Not to worry, my boxerellies and I are more than fine that you don't care for them, they seem to sleep just fine at night LOL!

There are many dogs bred that shouldn't be for lots of different reasons, and it is justified on both sides and as long as it is them doing then absolutely there is nothing wrong with it. I think worrying about what is in one's own back yard might be a good starting point for most people.

Dogman you have your own opinions and you are entitle to them but until you enter the complete corso world and actually see what it is like and all the stuff that has gone on, is going on and will continue to go on as long as you belong to the right clique then we will just have to agree that it isn't so black and white.

Hmm... pretty sure I didn't mention you Mary, but if you believe I am talking about you then... And yes hypocrisy is ripe in this breed as in many. Shit I agree, there is a lot of other breeds going into the CC. I have seen some that are full on Modern Neo, no Corso added. The Boxer/Bull Mastiff look is still the most prevalent and I used it as an example. We both have our own cliques I am okay in mine. The CC world is not the only one with these issues or is any different from most breeds... I personally think it is good to have the opinion from someone outside the breed that can see the problems clearly.

 

[chuckorlando]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Facts are never debatable. Opinions are

 

[Russ Williams]

I really didn't mean to stir up the shit with my pics. We are definitely newbies to the breed. But we are sucking up information as fast as we can. I had just happened across a full page advertisement, a couple of months back, from a breeder that I think everyone here knows. The dog they were promoting for stud was BUTT UGLY, IMHO, and definitely not within the CC standard(s), no matter how you look at it. It really made me question what I wanted in a dog, if THAT was supposed to be THE or A model for breeding. Personally I prefer the Basir based standard.

 

[thelady_v2010]

Cody's a girl lol

I tried to FB like this!

 

[thelady_v2010]

I am SO lost. What is a boxerelli? What makes a CC a boxerelli as opposed to .......(not a boxerelli)?

 

[Cody]

I am SO lost. What is a boxerelli? What makes a CC a boxerelli as opposed to .......(not a boxerelli)?

Strong Boxer characteristics, round eyes, retracted nose, excessive undershot, pinched nostrils, square in the body, convergence... Look at the pictures a few pages back

 

[dogman#1]

retracted nose and pinched nostrils? who the hell would want that in ANY breed. I dont need to know all about a specific breed to understand that certain characteristics are detrimental to function and capability, it is basic knowledge of form and function