Need advice!!

[season]

I don't want to "keep at you". I think you're giving bad advice. Since you're a teacher, I think you must like kids, at least some of the time. And from lurking on this forum and reading your posts, I think you're a reasonable, responsible dog owner. And I think if this was your children at risk, or if it was your children who were frightened, you wouldn't be bringing the dog back into your home.

Those are all assumptions, of course, and I could be very wrong. I like to think that any educator or parent out there would do anything in the world to keep the children they work with and love safe and comfortable.

I honestly didn't bother reading what u said but since u quoted me again instead of PM'ing me I'll quote whatever u had to say and tell u again to PM me or stop quoting me please.


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[OdinBB]

Thank you

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[Hiraeth]

ps: I also try to help. I do it on my time which I can otherwise dedicate to my child or dogs. I'm very happy OdinBB doesn't hate her dog. I'm surprised that others, without any involvement, do. I'm surprised that an "aggressive dog rescuer" is so emotional about it that doesn't even consider a professional evaluation before deciding to put down such a powerful dog who did a scratch. I'm not a specialist but I've seen big dogs "full loaded" and if Odin was stopped, it's because he was stoppable. I truly believe he doesn't deserve a death sentence. I am, however, very aware of how scary these dogs can look. And I would honestly prefer a "scary" dog from an aggression point - because looking and acting scary is a warning. I definitely consider an owner who can't trust his/her dog can't keep it. I hope I will be able to find someone to get him - in the meantime, if anyone can also continue to source locally, please do. NZ is a small place, I'm sure there are many more chances in US or Europe, but it happens that I'm here so I'll try the best I can.

I don't hate *any* dog. Hatred is an emotion for children. I have been violently bitten multiple times throughout my life, both as a child and as an adult. My dogs have been attacked, as well. I have not once hated a dog. In fact, even those dogs who disemboweled that four year old boy in Detroit - I saw a video of one of them being dragged out of the yard, and the dog was clearly terrified, and I felt bad for her. A dog who had killed a child several hours before, and I felt truly sorry for her. It almost brought me to tears. She was scared, and didn't understand what she had done, and it was a horrible thing to witness.

In fact, I feel horribly for Odin. In case you missed me saying this, I replied that if it was 3-4 years ago and my home wasn't already full of last chance and aggressive cases, I'd volunteer to take him myself. But it would be scary, and a huge risk on my part, and a huge risk on OP's part, to give him to me. I am well equipped to deal with a dog with those issues, but can I guarantee an accident would never happen? Absolutely not.

There's a difference between "hatred" and "prioritizing human life and safety". I love my dogs. Every single one. But I have a section of my will that specifies that all three of my adult dogs will be euthanized if something happens to me. Because they were all aggressive and dangerous dogs when I adopted them, and I will not risk someone else being harmed because I'm not around to make sure they are safe and carefully managed.

 

[OdinBB]

I spoke with Jeff Gellar and he isn't going to help. He will train him but he won't take him. There is no way I can afford those prices I just cant. And my husband wouldn't go for it.

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[OdinBB]

I emailed you theodora, let me know when you get it.

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[BAMCB]

I spoke with Jeff Gellar and he isn't going to help. He will train him but he won't take him. There is no way I can afford those prices I just cant. And my husband wouldn't go for it.

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I wonder if someone would step forward and pay for the training as payment for Odin? Just throwing that out there. I know it happens for health care when an owner just cannot pay. My current rescue has already cost way more than planned(with much more to come) which means we have nothing left to offer another at this point. I'm sorry

 

[OdinBB]

The cost is around 5 to 6 grand

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[season]

The cost is around 5 to 6 grand

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Yep. That's a lot of money. He would help but obviously not for free.


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[OdinBB]

Oh I knew it wasn't going to be for free but wow that is more then I thought it would be. I wasn't looking for free training I wanted an experienced trainer who would take and keep him. He wasn't looking to take any dogs, it would have been awesome for Odin I'd he did tho.

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[season]

Understood. He doesn't take dogs in. He's got way too many there. I know he's very passionate about rehabbing those dogs. He does a great job but it comes with a price tag. Did u ask about payment plans etc?


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[cinnamon roll]

I personally would not pay 5k for training a dog that I had no intention of bringing back into my home. Training or not I would never trust a dog with a history of biting around my kids.

 

[OdinBB]

Oh yeah I don't doubt it, I have been watching some of his videos, he is very good. No I didn't ask about a payment plan, it is just too much.

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[season]

Oh yeah I don't doubt it, I have been watching some of his videos, he is very good. No I didn't ask about a payment plan, it is just too much.

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Ok. Everyone is different and I don't know you. Some say they could never trust them again. I get that. OdinBB, u say it's "too much". I get that too. Especially if u don't even plan to have it part of your family again. To me I'd find a way. I'd make it happen. Would $5k be too much to pay for a surgery if it meant keeping him alive? I doubt it. But anyway, I think you know you're going to do and at the end of it it's your choice. No matter what any of us think or say it's up to you. Best wishes to u and your family. And best wishes to the dog.


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[teodora]

anyone knows superior k9 trainers, Ortonville, Michigan 48462? An US friend said they'd probably take him but before we ask, does anyone here know them/worked with them before?

 

[OdinBB]

Thank you season, I really appreciate your help. If he never did this to my baby and I needed to pay it to save his life, yes I would. I would put it on credit take out a small loan, do what I had to. But he crossed the line when he bit and tried to hurt my baby.

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[OdinBB]

No teodora I haven't heard of them.

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[irina]

This has been a long discussion. I have a 6 month old. If Ajax went to bite or bit my son, I would not get rid of him. I might get a muzzle and put his e-collar on, never leave the dog and the baby unattended together, maybe even crate the dog, if I had too. And train, train, train. The only way I would even consider putting him down if he had some sort of a mental condition that caused unpredictable and unprovoked aggression. But even then I would try to make it work. My dog is as much my baby as my own child. It's like having a child with a condition that causes rage. You are not going to send that child away to protect the rest of the family, unless it was ABSOLUTELY unmanageable. But this is me.

 

[OdinBB]

Irina, I can say I do not feel the same. I treat my fur babies like family but my kids are more important to me, they come first and always will. I cannot and will not risk my child for my love for Odin.

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[Yamizuma]

What a terrible spot you are in.

I ended up in emerg with a huge gash in my hand, and permanent nerve damage in it from getting in the middle of a dog fight between my mastiff and my rescue terrier. I misread their body language and it happened faster than my brain processes.

It took me a while to get comfortable around the dog that bit me again..but I now know what the heck happened that led to the chaos.

I still won't put the terrier at remote risk of contact with the mastiff. She has great training, and so does he, and yet..I know in my heart she absolutely will kill him given the opportunity.

Strict separation keeps them safe from killing or being killed.

I have no human children, but obviously if I won't take a risk with the terrier... I sure wouldn't with a human child...

However... If even remotely possible, I also would try my best to find a fit home where the risk is undertaken with knowledge and accepted by a knowledgeable adult. Until I found such a situation, I would see it as my own responsibility to house, feed and work with the dog, keeping it kennelled etc and separate and apart from its target until it has a new home.

But that is me.

I can't, won't and don't know your life, this dog, nor whether this might be one of the few times when putting the dog to death is really the only real option.




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[karennj]

I know you mentioned there is no trigger for the attack but what if the trigger is something medical? If I understand correctly, no medical evaluation was done right? I feel he is at least owed that before PTS.

Is it possible to pick him up after quarantine and give him a day to de-stress (send the child to family or friends) and then get him to the vet or find a vet that does house calls?

Also, what exactly is the situation right now? Is he aggressively not allowing anyone near him or are they staying away from him because of a perceived threat based on his breed, size, and the situation that occurred? Can they even get him out of the pen or get a muzzle on him?
I understand your concern. You know your dog and if you feel like he was a serious threat to your child I believe he is a serious threat to your child. As a parent you have a natural instinct and you knew something wasn't right immediately. Honestly if I had to pull my dog away from my child no rehab would make me comfortable bringing that dog back. How do you know the dog is truly rehabbed? How do they rehab a child aggressive dog when you don't really know what caused the reaction in the first place? If you rehab him will the next person who gets him manage him in case he reverts back? I understand the whole sign them over and accept no responsibility but I could not do that. Even if I was not legally responsible I could not handle the chance of my dog just randomly snapping and killing someone.

I do think medical triggers should be considered but if it is just a behavior thing I would be very weary of proceeding. This is a breed that is supposed to be loyal to it's family. It is not even like your child is young and annoying. I could see if you had a 4yr old but an 8yr old is a whole different story.

If I understand correctly you will need to find a home with no possibility of contact with children or other dogs because he is dog aggressive as well? That is not going to be an easy find. I think it is worth while to exhaust every option but like was mentioned before, I think the only real option is someone who can do some serious management. I would not trust rehab alone (assuming there is no medical issue).