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teodora

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update: ok so for now there are 3 persons interested (one of them an ex trainer, i wait details for the rest of them). We are looking up the costs for transportation and quarantine here, hopefully the're not gonna be 50k or something.... this would definitely put people off. I just hope for the best and hope more of them will express their interest in training, rehabilitating and living happily with this stunning boy: I would them give your e-mail address OdinBB , I think it's easier to talk to them directly. I also asked superior k9, no response yet.
 

season

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Thank you season, I really appreciate your help. If he never did this to my baby and I needed to pay it to save his life, yes I would. I would put it on credit take out a small loan, do what I had to. But he crossed the line when he bit and tried to hurt my baby.

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Well said


Carpe Diem
 

teodora

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Now if we could afford getting a behaviorist and the training he would need to be assessed I would, but we just simply can't afford it.
Now you just said that you can afford it. But you don't want to. You simply retaliate on your dog because "he tried to hurt your baby" - Odin wasn't supposed to be your baby?I tried to help. I'm over it. Do wtf you wanted to do from the beginning, without all those fake tears on 8 pages and hypocrisy and all.
 

OdinBB

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Say and feel how you want I owe you no explanation. However, here it is, if the situation was medical I would do what I had to do. It would put my family in a real tight spot but I would do it. I will NOT put my family in a financial hard ship for him when he crossed the line and tried to hurt my baby, I wont. So take it how you take it, thank you for what you have done I do appreciate it.

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OdinBB

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AND my husband would be ok with it if it was medical, not now. Not after he did that.

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season

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As I see where you are coming from, I'm on the opposite side of this one. Do what you want and I think what you've had your mind made up to do anyway. Odin bit your daughter. That's sad. But Odin wouldn't have done it (in my opinion) had he had the right leadership to begin with. From reading previous posts about your dog, it was a bomb waiting to go off. It's easy to blame the dog, but not so easy to look in the mirror and realize the problem is right in front of you. Now the situation has happened and everyone is upset at the dog. Can't trust the dog etc. The dog also can't trust you guys anymore. Again, these things just dont happen out of nowhere. The boat was missed. Now it's Odin who is paying for it. Sad situation all the way around. My last bit of advice, I hope you don't get another dog. Done.
 

cinnamon roll

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Now you just said that you can afford it. But you don't want to. You simply retaliate on your dog because "he tried to hurt your baby" - Odin wasn't supposed to be your baby?I tried to help. I'm over it. Do wtf you wanted to do from the beginning, without all those fake tears on 8 pages and hypocrisy and all.
I think you misread her post as she stated she can't afford it.
 

season

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Now you just said that you can afford it. But you don't want to. You simply retaliate on your dog because "he tried to hurt your baby" - Odin wasn't supposed to be your baby?I tried to help. I'm over it. Do wtf you wanted to do from the beginning, without all those fake tears on 8 pages and hypocrisy and all.
Have to agree on this one. If people really want to do something they find a way. If they don't they find excuses. Over it.
 

karennj

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At the end of the day you do whatever you need to do, only you know exactly the circumstance. I would hope however that all options are exhausted before that decision is made including a full medical check. I see no reason why he cannot be checked out. Even if you have to go into the place and put the muzzle on him to get him out, that should be sufficient for a vet to then perform an exam and pull blood. We have severely aggressive dogs at our practice. One owner has to come in and let us know she is there, we give her a muzzle, she goes out to the car, muzzles her dog and then brings it right into the room. The dog is not allowed to step foot out of her car until the muzzle is on and we check a secure fit before it even walks in the door. This dog would probably seriously injure us without the muzzle but if the dog is muzzled a good vet and their team should have no problem checking them over. Especially if PTS is being discussed.

I know this is a bit of a headache and really stressful, I also know Odin is probably pretty traumatized sitting in quarantine. Whatever happens needs to occur quickly.
 

Hiraeth

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Now you just said that you can afford it. But you don't want to. You simply retaliate on your dog because "he tried to hurt your baby" - Odin wasn't supposed to be your baby?I tried to help. I'm over it. Do wtf you wanted to do from the beginning, without all those fake tears on 8 pages and hypocrisy and all.

Seriously? I'm pretty sure OdinBB meant that if she needed to pay $5-6K for cancer treatments for a dog with no child aggression, she would find a way to make it happen. But paying $5-6K for medical treatments is a very different thing than paying that same amount for training for a dangerous dog with a multi-bite history.

And you're going to try to put Odin on the same level as you put OP's kids and say she has equal responsibility to both? That's just beyond ridiculous. The safety of the human children in the household by far and away trumps the welfare of the dogs. This is why I can't stand the term "fur baby". Dogs are NOT fur babies. They are not four legged humans. They are dogs. Animals. Calling dogs "fur babies" anthropomorphizes them and blurs the lines of understanding of how and why dogs behave as they do. Understanding that dogs are animals and DO NOT possess the same mental processes and reasoning that humans do is at the basis of healthy dog-human interaction and training.

So while I'm calling dogs animals, let me clarify - I love my dogs greatly. I would do just about anything to maintain their health and happiness. I recently gave up my lease, moved back home and committed over 1/3 of my yearly salary to osteosarcoma treatments. They sleep in my bed, eat better than I do half of the time, get walked no matter how bad my chronic sciatica problems are, have endless amounts of treats and toys and are only trained positively. If I get up and one of them takes my spot on the couch, I will just sit on the floor when I return. I lost Loki in July and still cry about him every day. I am about to tattoo his ashes into my body. I LOVE my dogs, I cannot emphasize that enough. And if Odin were mine, he'd be getting a medical workup and provided nothing physically wrong was found, a long walk, lots of cheeseburgers, and a calm, sad goodbye.

I don't think OP is being hypocritical. As any normal person would do while faced with a tough (literally life or death) situation, she's wavering on what she thinks is right. She's getting advice from some people that he's dangerous, and advice from others that she should keep him in her home after rehab. Every time she reads this thread, there's a different opinion here that perhaps influences her own.

In the future, for both OdinBB and anyone else who may read this - life or death questions like this one are probably best left to professionals who can see and assess the dog in person. Random internet strangers can't really give you the clarity you would need to make this decision, OdinBB, we can only give you "well, I would do this..." statements based on our perception of what happened and our experiences with other aggressive dogs. You are the one with the best and most clear knowledge of Odin, his prior behaviors, and I think you should have a serious chat with your husband, your vet and the humane society workers and decide Odin's future from those conversations. This thread has turned into a whirling mess of opinions and emotions that I imagine are weighing on you more than they are helping, at this point.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. If you do end up going the euthanasia route, please stay with him until the end, if you can bring yourself to. I think we all owe our dogs the opportunity to pass peacefully in ours arms, if we can provide that to them.
 

cinnamon roll

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We can all jump to judgement, we read posts and think that we know everything about the dog/owner. But we don't ,we don't live with them.

I being a parent if a dog bite my child unprovoked there is no question what I would do. My child's life and we'll being is the priority.

Also most people in this economy don't have an extra 5k lying around
 

Oscar'sMom

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As I see where you are coming from, I'm on the opposite side of this one. Do what you want and I think what you've had your mind made up to do anyway. Odin bit your daughter. That's sad. But Odin wouldn't have done it (in my opinion) had he had the right leadership to begin with. From reading previous posts about your dog, it was a bomb waiting to go off. It's easy to blame the dog, but not so easy to look in the mirror and realize the problem is right in front of you. Now the situation has happened and everyone is upset at the dog. Can't trust the dog etc. The dog also can't trust you guys anymore. Again, these things just dont happen out of nowhere. The boat was missed. Now it's Odin who is paying for it. Sad situation all the way around. My last bit of advice, I hope you don't get another dog. Done.
Well said.
 

Boxergirl

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I also wish a complete medical evaluation would be done. It's always the first thing suggested in a situation like this and I think it's warranted, but all anyone can do is suggest. In the end, it's not our decision. If the OP were located closer to me, I'm that my own daughter would be willing to draw the blood with the proper precautions taken.

For anyone that is slamming OdinBB about the money, I think you are way out of line. She has a family and a husband. Decisions like this aren't made alone. We have no idea what other things she has on her plate. I would be hard pressed to come up with $5000 for a human medical crisis and I highly doubt my husband would agree to that much for an animal. Would we want to? Yes. Would we be able to? Not at this time. It doesn't mean that you love your pets more than I do, which is always the insinuation in instances like this, even if not stated directly.

And a last thought ... I do appreciate the passion that I see for saving this dog, I really do. There are plenty of other dogs like this in shelters that have done far less than this dog has and they have nobody fighting for them. It would be nice if someone would show them the same passion. Sadly, that never seems to happen. If you are outraged at a dog being euthanized for what you feel is a correctable issue, then go fight for the other dogs that need it too.
 

BAMCB

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IMO, OdinBB has made her decision before asking for advice. Odin will NOT ever be allowed in her home(no judgement here for that) and no money will be spent to help him. I stopped commenting because what "I would do" had no bearing or any concrete answers for this situation. I cannot take him and do not have the money to donate and my words are useless. For those of us who do feel this may have been an unfortunate event for Odin and he does deserve a chance, WE will need to find him a place to go. He is sitting in quarantine and something needs to be done quick. I have contacted a rescue but have not heard back yet. Others are also waiting for responses. Not sure how much time is left.
 

Boxergirl

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The thing is, rescues have to turn down dogs that are adoptable because they don't have the resources to take every dog in. It does sometimes come down to which dogs are the most adoptable,unfortunately. A dog with a bite history - particularly involving a child - is not going to be top priority. It's going to be a huge liability. I would be very surprised if any rescue was willing to take a dog with this history, unless there was someone there that wanted him for themselves.
 

karennj

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Sorry I know this was already posted but what are the details of the dog specifically? Location, age, neutered, is he ok with any other dogs or not?
 

OdinBB

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I get everyone's feelings toward this whole situation, if I was an outsider reading all these post I may have some of the same feelings too. However, you are outsiders and that's all, I appreciate all advice, I have taken it all I to consideration while making this decision. The biggest factor here is time, he will not have a place to go after his quarantine is up, my kids can't stay at their friends for weeks on end or however long it will take to place him. I am so frustrated because I found a trainer and behaviorist willing to work with anyone who could take Odin free of charge. But finding someone who meets Odin's needs (no children, etc) is extremely difficult. I am working with his breeder and a police officer in California who knows a trainer who may be able to take him also. So no my mind is not made up, I am trying everything I can to place him. And no I'm not spending the money to train him, we simply don't have it. If it was a medical issue we had to pay for we would have a ton more options for us. First and for most my husband would be on board, second we have care credit and other things in place in case of a medical emergency. Family would be willing to help, bottom line is I would have WAY more options if it was medical. Unfortunately, for a dog bite the majority of those options aren't available. All the help finding him another option and a home, thank you and please keep looking, we don't have a lot of time but we still have time. Any and all efforts are needed. I will keep the updates coming weather I get slammed on here or not. Like I said before I'm a big girl and I know exactly where my heart and intentions are in this situation, it's just sad to see so many judgmental people.

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