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Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Duetsche_Doggen

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Wondering if you've had that meeting DD?
I've been there, done that and it's a stomach turning experience, but I had my facts down pat, even had him so steamed he signed off on a statement of facts, then I hung him out to dry. Hope you turn the table on this guy or put an enormous spotlight on the inaccuracies in his beef. Let us know. We're rooting for you.

I have no clue as when the meeting will be. :/ My first few days upon hearing about has been stressful, and I've made myself sick and losing some serious beauty sleep about it. So I've decided to type out drafts and get what I can ready to "plead my case" but now I'm getting to the point where I don't care....Mom's telling me to push it but I honestly don't want to go through the hassle.....I guess I'll find out everything in week.

I will keep you updated on the situation :) Thanks
 

Hector

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

I recently emailed my bosses and colleagues because they try to make me do something I felt was unsafe and it affected me first because I was on shift. I will not go into detail, but I stood up for my rights and told them they were wrong. I haven't seen any of them yet because I'm on rotating schedule, but let me tell you the dude is pissed beyond belief. I will have to bring my case to more management because his continued to show an uncaring, don't give a fuck, do as you're told attitude even though his actions were clearly violating safety laws. I'm a person that hates confrontation, but there comes a time where you have to stand up for yourself and for what's right.

I know how you feel. I've been losing sleep and having nightmares and do not look forward to seeing these people, but I keep telling myself I'm here to work, not make friends. Good luck.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

That sucks......I've worked in manufacturing environments like that and I was amazed at the disregard for safety regulations people had. The offenders were people you just described "higher ups" Same as with this situation I wanted to keep my job so I keep my head low. LOL!!! I've been telling myself that forever but ironically is seems to cause problems. I wish I could just go to work and just work.

Good luck to you as well, just reading your post made me get butterflies exactly how I feel....Those "what ifs".....seems like waiting an eternity :(
 

Hector

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

That sucks......I've worked in manufacturing environments like that and I was amazed at the disregard for safety regulations people had. The offenders were people you just described "higher ups" Same as with this situation I wanted to keep my job so I keep my head low. LOL!!! I've been telling myself that forever but ironically is seems to cause problems. I wish I could just go to work and just work.

Good luck to you as well, just reading your post made me get butterflies exactly how I feel....Those "what ifs".....seems like waiting an eternity :(

That's how I feel about work. Go to work and do your job, but this incident is outrageous. Not gonna lie that I'm not scared of losing my job, but I really can't let it go. I hate having to talk to these people in person. I get so angry that my voice starts to crack. Worse case scenario, sell all my shit and go from there lol.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

If that task they wanted you to do was dangerous then I agree yes I will loose my job without hesitation, but let it be known I won't go down alone if that's the case.......lol
 

Bailey's Mom

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Absolutely. If we had a problem of being told to do something dangerous we could go to the Labour Board and a lawyer would open a file, put the company on notice, and we'd all do the dance together - No cost to the worker, and protection from retaliation. Surely there is an equivalent government agency in the US that will represent your interests, isn't there?
 

Hector

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Well good news. The upper big bosses did not at all disagree with my concerns and they implemented changes and stepped up to the plate. I am really happy that they care and not trying to feed me bs. However, my boss wants to talk on Monday "face to face" and I'm like fucking shit never ends.
 

Hector

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Absolutely. If we had a problem of being told to do something dangerous we could go to the Labour Board and a lawyer would open a file, put the company on notice, and we'd all do the dance together - No cost to the worker, and protection from retaliation. Surely there is an equivalent government agency in the US that will represent your interests, isn't there?

I did not want to make the leap without first expressing my concerns and giving them a chance to respond. My intentions are not to make more trouble than necessary so I like to take one step at a time. I really appreciate every thing they are doing and I hope the other people appreciated what I did for all of us (small group). It wasn't easy lol.
 

Bailey's Mom

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Good for you Hector. Life's too short to suffer abuse at the hands of low level supervisors. I hope your meeting goes well. Hopefully the reason for the face-to-face is for this boss to formally apologize for his breach. If he's eating crow, his man bits are in a vise. No matter what, you are on his radar. Start a chronicle of all interactions with management, you may have to unseat this man again.
Let's hope that DD can answer any complaint that may be brought to her meeting and sweep this disturbance away.
 

Hector

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Good for you Hector. Life's too short to suffer abuse at the hands of low level supervisors. I hope your meeting goes well. Hopefully the reason for the face-to-face is for this boss to formally apologize for his breach. If he's eating crow, his man bits are in a vise. No matter what, you are on his radar. Start a chronicle of all interactions with management, you may have to unseat this man again.
Let's hope that DD can answer any complaint that may be brought to her meeting and sweep this disturbance away.

Agreed, let's make this a double win and move forward and sorry for the hijack DD. :)
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Good for you Hector. Life's too short to suffer abuse at the hands of low level supervisors. I hope your meeting goes well. Hopefully the reason for the face-to-face is for this boss to formally apologize for his breach. If he's eating crow, his man bits are in a vise. No matter what, you are on his radar. Start a chronicle of all interactions with management, you may have to unseat this man again.
Let's hope that DD can answer any complaint that may be brought to her meeting and sweep this disturbance away.

Here here!!!
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Agreed, let's make this a double win and move forward and sorry for the hijack DD. :)

Lol its not hijacking I did ask if anyone else had went through it. :) Makes me feel better to know I'm not the only one being "targeted." I'll find out something next week I guess......

I take it you will give us an update as well with your dilemma? :)
 

Hector

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Okay this is dumb and I already knew it. We talked about the incident and my argument was concerning my safety. Well there was no winning - it was "I've done this before many years and they always scurried away. They're like cockroaches. They scurry when they see lights." I said you don't know that. Response was yes I do. I said NO YOU DON'T. I finally backed down after seeing there was no convincing or winning. These people will back each other up. He told me this thing I sent out made them look bad. I thought in my head well - you guys suck and good for you lol. Changes were implemented by the place, so I must have been right somewhere in someone's head whether it was voiced or not.

Anyways for those of you that work from home...or have your own businesses, what do you do and how did you guys get there?? I really need a job that doesn't deal with people!!! lol
 

2nd Chance

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

DD, i am a team leader, and there were rumours that i had been telling folks, that i will sack a particular staff member, that i had said i have a 3 strike rule, then he'll be gone. That i have been aware of multiple mistakes and was going to put up with it no longer. Several staff, whilst not really keen on 'dave' shall i call him, were anti me, the new manager for my unprofessionalism.

Guess what?
I have never said one of the things. I dont know folks enough to be talking like this to them. This sorta conversation i save for my husband, not my colleagues! yet, apparenty i have done all these things, said all these things, threatened all these things.

I asked for a meeting, face to face with Dave.
In that meeting, i reflected the rumours i had heard, and asked if he had heard them too? he had. AND he was worried about his job. He has a wife and 2 children. And was sufferring, not sleeping, hadnt been able to warn his wife, the pay could stop anyday now.
That meeting was gold.
HE left that meeting, on good terms with me, knowing that should i ever have any issue with his work, HE would be the first to know. Not his peers, my colleagues. HIM. We would work through it together till resolved. I dont fire people willy nilly, as that would be illegal. Explained the laborious disciplinary process i would follow and have to follow. BUt that at no point, was i even aware his work was not up to standard, as the quality of his output was one of the best i had.
That rumours, are sometimes rumours, not based in fact.

We also discussed, what might be the motivation of his peers, in suggesting Dave was in trouble. What was the effect of being told you were losing your job? for ? and when? Who would say such hurtful things to him? and why?
We both came to the same conclusion.
BS and Shit stirring amoungst cunts.
To allow folks to play their games of BS and to sit back, relax, coz i and his performance are on very good terms indeed.

As a manager, having quashed this rumour, at the source of the victim, as this is how i saw this person, a victim of bastards being bastards. I am less favourable with the BS. Go figure?
Sometimes you cant win friends, but you can win professionalism, personal values get upheld, and at the end of the day, i spend time with authentic, genuine folks, i choose carefully, before i allow them into my world.
Because, in my 50's, i finally accepted, that 99.9% of the working population i work with, i would never allow in my home. As our values are different. Too different for me to pretend i like em.
 

Bailey's Mom

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Super Moderator
Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

I'm with 2ndChance. I got tired of trying to protect people from the gossip mongers. I was equally tired of trying to enlighten the dark minds of the main problem people. You can't wake people up who are morally bankrupt. The only thing you can do is keep your head out of the trough. Get your information from the people who do know, and if they don't know or can't tell you, don't listen to the grapevine. Who the hell in their right minds would share Intel with mental midgets. The loudest mouth is usually the most uninformed ignoramus in the place.
The best defense is a good offence: don't listen, don't repeat and don't worry. If you're doing your job, meeting the metrics, getting positive feedback, we'll, those that can't do the job as well as you will do murder to you by rumour and innuendo.
In DD's case people are spreading malicious rumours, but if she's got her ducks in a row, she'll beat it. The vipers will crawl back into the woodwork for a period of time...low
life, scum sucking bottom dwellers that they are, and life will go on until they rumour mill a new victim.
As an aside, making a person wait for a meeting to clear things up...and wait...and wait, that is an abuse of position and power. It's not an accident either, it's used deliberately to unbalance the unfortunate worker who is waiting for their trial by fire. I've seen it used by unscrupulous managers. The worker is usually so relieved to get off the hook that the manager owns their ass.
Hector, I don't understand everything about your situation, but the familiar cry of "we've always done it that way before without any problem until you came along and messed it up", yeah, I've heard that one. That guy, he's irrelevant...a dodo...on his way out before he costs your company an expensive litigation. He'll bully and blow for a while, but he's got an expiry date on him. Just survive until he's gone. Hopefully his replacement isn't an idiot too.
 

Hector

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Okay I went back and talked to my manager requesting that he add in his notes that I wasn't trying to not do my job, but I didn't do it because of my personal safety. He told me that it was just notes for himself and not part of permanent files. I also told him I take my job seriously and to review the log books and he can see that I go out to check the "place" more than anyone else in the "daytime". He didn't question about me not doing my job at all. To me this whole ordeal was because someone got their ego hurt. I think I'm out of the danger zone for now, but I have a permanent target on my back lol. To be honest, I see him being there for a long ass time.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

DD, i am a team leader, and there were rumours that i had been telling folks, that i will sack a particular staff member, that i had said i have a 3 strike rule, then he'll be gone. That i have been aware of multiple mistakes and was going to put up with it no longer. Several staff, whilst not really keen on 'dave' shall i call him, were anti me, the new manager for my unprofessionalism.

Guess what?
I have never said one of the things. I dont know folks enough to be talking like this to them. This sorta conversation i save for my husband, not my colleagues! yet, apparenty i have done all these things, said all these things, threatened all these things.

I asked for a meeting, face to face with Dave.
In that meeting, i reflected the rumours i had heard, and asked if he had heard them too? he had. AND he was worried about his job. He has a wife and 2 children. And was sufferring, not sleeping, hadnt been able to warn his wife, the pay could stop anyday now.
That meeting was gold.
HE left that meeting, on good terms with me, knowing that should i ever have any issue with his work, HE would be the first to know. Not his peers, my colleagues. HIM. We would work through it together till resolved. I dont fire people willy nilly, as that would be illegal. Explained the laborious disciplinary process i would follow and have to follow. BUt that at no point, was i even aware his work was not up to standard, as the quality of his output was one of the best i had.
That rumours, are sometimes rumours, not based in fact.

We also discussed, what might be the motivation of his peers, in suggesting Dave was in trouble. What was the effect of being told you were losing your job? for ? and when? Who would say such hurtful things to him? and why?
We both came to the same conclusion.
BS and Shit stirring amoungst cunts.
To allow folks to play their games of BS and to sit back, relax, coz i and his performance are on very good terms indeed.

As a manager, having quashed this rumour, at the source of the victim, as this is how i saw this person, a victim of bastards being bastards. I am less favourable with the BS. Go figure?
Sometimes you cant win friends, but you can win professionalism, personal values get upheld, and at the end of the day, i spend time with authentic, genuine folks, i choose carefully, before i allow them into my world.
Because, in my 50's, i finally accepted, that 99.9% of the working population i work with, i would never allow in my home. As our values are different. Too different for me to pretend i like em.

2nd Chance there is a big difference between you and this particular lead and that's professionalism, you have it he simply does not. Now with my co-workers we chat amongst ourselves and we know how this particular person can be. Though like I mentioned these were random Army personel who I had never seen before telling me that they over heard this guy threatened to fire me.

I believe that this is something the team lead would say as I have witnessed his unprofessional mannerisms in person. Case in point a while back during our meetings we were expecting another person to join our team. Well the person happens to be related to one of my co-workers. This lead was hounding her in front of all of us asking about what type of person the new person would be and how does she know. Ok no harm done...I guess then he starts going on about how the only reason this particular person got this job is because she's dating one of the site managers and that she probably does't know anything. I'm pretty sure my poker face was showing the whole time but I could not believe. This MUCH older person as a lead was already speculating on this girl based on rumors. I told another lead after the meeting how I felt but I left it alone, honestly I did feel offended. We don't need to know this woman's personal background or how she got the job.........

My favorite incident and still funny to this day. One morning a co-worker called the team lead telling him that he was stuck in traffic and the he would be late. After getting off the phone what does this guy do......He gets on the computer and checks the traffic within the co-worker's area. His response " I don't know why he's late, there's nothing on the traffic report." Wow....are you kidding me.

I've got a lot more incidents with this guy of him watching me park my vehicle and walking around the parking lot looking for my vehicle when it wasn't parked "usual" parking area. :lol:

Next week I should hear something, so we'll see.....
 

Duetsche_Doggen

Well-Known Member
Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Okay I went back and talked to my manager requesting that he add in his notes that I wasn't trying to not do my job, but I didn't do it because of my personal safety. He told me that it was just notes for himself and not part of permanent files. I also told him I take my job seriously and to review the log books and he can see that I go out to check the "place" more than anyone else in the "daytime". He didn't question about me not doing my job at all. To me this whole ordeal was because someone got their ego hurt. I think I'm out of the danger zone for now, but I have a permanent target on my back lol. To be honest, I see him being there for a long ass time.

Kudos to you for sticking up for yourself! :) You are probably right you will be a "target" hopefully you won't be there for long, while he wastes away there.
 

Hector

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Re: Sit down with "boss"...Anyone done it?

Kudos to you for sticking up for yourself! :) You are probably right you will be a "target" hopefully you won't be there for long, while he wastes away there.

Nooo! I need my job! lol I try my best to ignore all those ignoramuses that work there, but one can only take so much bs.