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Was told my puppy had 50% chance to live

Marco

Well-Known Member
So today I took him back k to the vet because had worms and got treated yesterday. I noticed he had blood in his poop. They said it was normal but I since I had forgotten to take the records from the breeder I had informed them of how many distemper shots he has had. They said if I was really concerned to bring him in. So of course because I know how delicate cc are I brought him in. The vet said he needed 2 more distemper. He had 1 parvo and 2 distemper already. At this point Marco has no fever.... Was eating fine....no vomiting...playing fine with the other dogs.. .however when he would poop he would start off with 3 solid piles ( cause he poops in 3) but then had 2-3 smaller very small glops of diarhea with some blood. When I brought him in the 2nd time it was a different vet. But he told me if he starts to vomit and becomes lethargic then I will need to bring him in to test for Parvo. (Altho he already had the vaccine) I told the vet why wait.. Why not just get it done now. He said well some ppl don't want to spend the money unless they have to. I told him if I wouldn't do that for my own kids or myself then I wouldn't wait for Marco so told him just to get it done.

Well doctor comes back and tells me it is positive and he has 50% chance of living. I was devastated.. Vet said they were closing so he could not treat him until tomorrow and handled me a sheet with 24 hr vets. Then said if cost was an issue then to wait until tomorrow because they would charge $1000 for the 3 days. I asked him then who would watch him at night? He said no one. They would cone him and tape the IV securely. Am I the only one that thinks that is just ridiculous? So of course I was like no it is OK I will look for another place.

After hours of looking I found a place that had around the clock techs and doctors. Many places say 24 hr emergency but they do monitor ur pet, they just go in handle the issue and go back home or where ever. We found a place, they quarntine us quickly, the doctors comes in... Is looking at his interaction with me and asks us a bunch of questions. She said going by the initial visual... She is suspicious of the test results because he looks OK. We run the test again with the poop I collected and NEGATIVE! phew right? So we are still iffy. The vet said just to make sure she will rerun the test but this time swab his rectal inside. And after many hours of crying... And heartbreak she tells us he is negative again. He is OK.

We have to monitor him and if he shows any signs bring him back in. She did prescribe some antibiotics.



( sorry for the long thread)


I have a few questions for those who read everything THANK YOU.

I have other dogs but this is a whole new world. Your help is appreciated.


1. Has anyone had something like this happen? Any word of advice?


2. My husband is very mad we were put thru this and is mad at the vet, do u think it is poor quality vet? Or just a bad test kit?


3. Any pointers from what happen to us that u guys see where we can improve on being better cc parents?



I have read ,any of the threads... Suggestions and do keep to the strict diet, does and songs. I notice one thing is vets aren't as knowledgeable with cc, anyone have any vet suggestions within the NYC, nj?






SORRY FOR THIS BEING SOOOO LONG HOPE IT HELPS OTHERS TOO! Thank you all!
 
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powergc

Well-Known Member
Wow, sounds like you have had a stressful few days!!! Sounds very scary. I am glad to hear that his last tests came back negative!! Hopefully he continues to get better!

I have no experience/advice on this, but you are definitely in the right place. Everyone here is SOOO helpful!

Good luck to you and Marco!
 

whit72

Well-Known Member
Something stinks with that first vet I would stay away from him.

Who diagnosis a dog tells the owner he's going to die and throws them out and tells them to fine back tomorrow.

Move on from this guy

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raechiemay

Well-Known Member
I'll start by saying it's a good thing you got a second opinion! How scary that must have been for you. :( I don't have any experience with getting a positive result then a negative, but my parents adopted lab mix did get diagnosed with parvo & spent 10 days in the hospital. It was like one day she was fine, then the next day she was throwing up all over the house. She would have bouts of diarrhea too but bc she wasn't really eating anything, there was more vomit than diarrhea. I can tell you that parvo vomit is a VERY distinct smell & you'll know it even if you've never had to deal with a parvo pup before. I had never smelt it before but when Bailey was being hospitalized & had vomited a couple times the first day - WOW that stuff reeks. The clinic that treated Bailey was not a 24 hour clinic. We took her in for a morning appt, test came back strong positive, they gave us a ballpark guess of treatment (which at first they were thinking about 3 days) & asked if we wanted to proceed. My parents agreed, signed the initial estimate & they started treatment immediately. At night Bailey was left unattended for approx 11 hours. She was so weak that they didn't even have to put a cone on her when they left. Had we chose to take her to a 24 hour clinic, there would've been no way my parents would've been able to afford that. Bailey almost died, but had a blood transfusion & made a slow recovery. Every pup is different & will handle treatment differently. The reason why it took B 10 days was because she was infested with worms & was anemic due to the infestation. The rescue group that B was adopted from claimed to have given her shots & dewormer but there was no way that was true. They also said she was 8-9 weeks old. Vet said she was maybe 6. Anyway...with 10 days of treatment, 1 blood transfusion, 2 rounds of dewormer in 10 days, multiple blood tests to check her levels, constant IV throughout that 10 days...$2300. With a discount. Had they not received a discount, I calculated this, the treatment Bailey received would've been well over $6000.

So...with that being said watch for the signs of parvo. Vomiting, not desire to eat, lethargy, diarrhea, etc. The blood in his stool may be something as simple as giardia, which medication will treat. My suggestion would be to never go back to that vet. Write him off like they did you. I'd also suggest taking him back in for a parvo retest just to make sure. Dogs who get parvo will typically show signs of the disease between 3 - 10 days. So I would definitely want to retest him after that period just to be sure.
 
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fizzed

Well-Known Member
Worming treatments can often cause blood in stools - they are often made of some quite toxic ingredients ( I personally worm only when I see worms ) but I appreciate I live in a different climate to many of you and you have a whole host of other nasties. I aslo think advocating more vaccines to a poorly dog is a bad idea. Parvo can be helped with vitamin C - but high doses of Vitamin c will cause the runs. I really hope you have some better news and the 50% chance statement seems too negative to me. Loads of love and attention will help enormously.
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
See inside quote for reply...

So today I took him back k to the vet because had worms and got treated yesterday. I noticed he had blood in his poop. They said it was normal but I since I had forgotten to take the records from the breeder I had informed them of how many distemper shots he has had. They said if I was really concerned to bring him in. So of course because I know how delicate cc are I brought him in. The vet said he needed 2 more distemper. He had 1 parvo and 2 distemper already. At this point Marco has no fever.... Was eating fine....no vomiting...playing fine with the other dogs.. .however when he would poop he would start off with 3 solid piles ( cause he poops in 3) but then had 2-3 smaller very small glops of diarhea with some blood. When I brought him in the 2nd time it was a different vet. But he told me if he starts to vomit and becomes lethargic then I will need to bring him in to test for Parvo. (Altho he already had the vaccine) I told the vet why wait.. Why not just get it done now. He said well some ppl don't want to spend the money unless they have to. I told him if I wouldn't do that for my own kids or myself then I wouldn't wait for Marco so told him just to get it done.

Well doctor comes back and tells me it is positive and he has 50% chance of living. I was devastated.. Vet said they were closing so he could not treat him until tomorrow and handled me a sheet with 24 hr vets. Then said if cost was an issue then to wait until tomorrow because they would charge $1000 for the 3 days. I asked him then who would watch him at night? He said no one. They would cone him and tape the IV securely. Am I the only one that thinks that is just ridiculous? So of course I was like no it is OK I will look for another place.

After hours of looking I found a place that had around the clock techs and doctors. Many places say 24 hr emergency but they do monitor ur pet, they just go in handle the issue and go back home or where ever. We found a place, they quarntine us quickly, the doctors comes in... Is looking at his interaction with me and asks us a bunch of questions. She said going by the initial visual... She is suspicious of the test results because he looks OK. We run the test again with the poop I collected and NEGATIVE! phew right? So we are still iffy. The vet said just to make sure she will rerun the test but this time swab his rectal inside. And after many hours of crying... And heartbreak she tells us he is negative again. He is OK.

We have to monitor him and if he shows any signs bring him back in. She did prescribe some antibiotics.



( sorry for the long thread)


I have a few questions for those who read everything THANK YOU.

I have other dogs but this is a whole new world. Your help is appreciated.


1. Has anyone had something like this happen? Any word of advice?

If they are using snap tests I have heard they are bad for false positive results. When I worked at the clinic (several years ago now) I remember these tests and they were back order for 2 years, but I suspect it was because they had issues but were unwilling to say they were un-reliable. When dealing with vets that are charging that price but do not have over-night care for these patients then I think you did the right thing and move on. They are right when they say the survival of parvo is only 50/50 when contracted but they don't mention that they have found that vaccinating too young and over vaccinating are a serious issue and do more damage than good. :( I know Ruth has some info on it and some articles and I believe new vaccine protocols have gone out to the vets (at least up here I believe).

2. My husband is very mad we were put thru this and is mad at the vet, do u think it is poor quality vet? Or just a bad test kit?

Sometimes I think vets rely too heavily on the test results in front of them instead of actually looking at the dog in front of them. If the vet had looked at your dog when viewing the positive result for parvo I would have hoped they would have made the same conclusions that the second vet made, which is something doesn't add up.

3. Any pointers from what happen to us that u guys see where we can improve on being better cc parents?

You are doing great, it is all a learning curve and you will get to know your dog and be able to know when something is off quickly and if it requires an immediate vet visit or just watching at home with you guys for the day.

I have read ,any of the threads... Suggestions and do keep to the strict diet, does and songs. I notice one thing is vets aren't as knowledgeable with cc, anyone have any vet suggestions within the NYC, nj?

LOL! No one in my area has any clue about the breed. My vet has seen the breed from one client, me :). The vets in the city see a few more although they tell me not many are as nice to have in and relaxed enough allow them to do their jobs without being nervous.

SORRY FOR THIS BEING SOOOO LONG HOPE IT HELPS OTHERS TOO! Thank you all!
 

juliantrost

Active Member
Very sorry to hear that you are going through this, but glad to know things are,looking brighter. We recently gone through worms in the puppy and had it treated by our regular vet, whom I personally absolutely do not care for, but my wife wants to stay loyal to. We now are dealing with a reoccurring UTI, which the same vet treats with second round of antibiotics, but is basing it purely on the test done in the office through the strip in the pee analysis. We finally convinced them to send the results to the lab and are waiting for that to come through. If it comes up with negative for UTI, but positive for something else, I am walking from that clinic and never looking back. As for the shots your puppy had. My CC is 13 weeks old and only had 3 shots and 1 more to go, which is the Bordotello one. How many shots did you guys do?
 

BlackShadowCaneCorso

Super Moderator
Staff member
We don't start vaccine protocol until at least 8 weeks, then 12 weeks, 16 weeks is the last vaccine and rabies at 18 weeks. We do not do bordatella unless we are board and they require it as it is viral and has many different strains so they can still pick up a version of it even those vaccinated.
 

juliantrost

Active Member
We don't start vaccine protocol until at least 8 weeks, then 12 weeks, 16 weeks is the last vaccine and rabies at 18 weeks. We do not do bordatella unless we are board and they require it as it is viral and has many different strains so they can still pick up a version of it even those vaccinated.

Thanks. If you do not mind, could you let us know what are the exact vaccines you do? This is what I see in the papers my wife keeps from the vet:
1. At 8 weeks - 1 vaccine marked as DA2PPV
2. At 12 weeks - 2 vaccines: DA2PPV #2 and Lyme Vaccine #1

That's it. Vet told us to come back in 3 weeks to get the Bordetello

Are we doing this right?
 

Hector

Well-Known Member
My pup and his brother got parvo while they were at the breeders. They could have gotten it from a hike and gotten it from coyote poop or it could have been caused by a bee sting while they were out (they thought the sting caused a reaction to the vaccine). They were all vaccinated before this and it took 3 tests to come back positive. Them two were on iv's for 4 days, but his brother didn't make it.
 

Selina

Member
I was a vet tech for years in an area that was a Petri dish for parvovirus. 50/50 is what we say because seriously there is no way on tell how a dog will do. Pups that are caught early and look good still die. Pups that are on deaths door nd you think will never survive do. It is a crap shoot.

False positives on the snap tests are pretty rare. False negatives are very common. The infected dog has to be shedding the virus for a positive result. Vaccinated dogs can test positive without being symptomatic. Timing of the vaccine near the test is the cause. A dog can carry the virus without becoming infected. Your pups own immune system may have kicked in. This is why one or two puppies will survive when the rest of a litter doesn't. They may or may not even show symptoms.
Better safe than sorry. I would elect 24 hour care with a pup that was depressed and dehydrated but if the pup looked good a regular vet is fine. It all depends on the condition of the puppy.

Vaccinations are a double edged sword. I have seen too many dogs die of parvovirus, and a few who died of distemper. It is not safe to not vaccinate but over vaccinating is dangerous, as well.
Dr. Jean Dodds is the countries most recognized authority on vaccinating. You can find her recommended vaccine protocol at http://www.hemopet.com.
Lyme vaccines are not a core vaccine. Non core vaccines are not recommended. One huge issue is that if your dog is ever tested for Lyme the vaccine will cause the test to be positive.
I would find a new vet. Not because of the parvovirus incident but because they are too willing to give unnecessary vaccines. Try AHVMA Home Page they list veterinarians through out the country who are aware of the perils of over vaccinating.

Selina
 

Marco

Well-Known Member
U guys and gals are amazing. Thank you all for providing great information. When i get a chance i can show u all the video of him when he was reunited with my other dog. Between the 1st and thr 2nd visiy we spent 12 hours in doctor offices. since he has been training he was such a good boy. Sitting, staying ... Walking right beside me. I am so in love with him. I love my other dogs but Marco is so special. He is so in sync with me. I know and understand they are not an easy breed to have. I have been training him regularly and he is in now in classes. But what I get in return... Has no words. He is perfect.

When he got home he was playing and eating.... Drinking... Just like any other time. The one thing that ticked me off was when the vet told me ( today when i told him that he tested negative at the ER vet hospital) " he was very lethargic" He said this because Marco didnt want to get up and walk and looked sleepy. Lol I had to bite my tongue my dog sleeps most of the day and is active very little ( of course you guys taught me this in another thread!!!!!)


I wish under vet i could just put "mastiff-forum"

I cant use the vet place i went to because they are only and emergency facility.

So my hunt is on to find a good vet. Cant say great because it is slim pickings around here.

Oh and as far as what he has had, he has had 1 parvo, 2 distmeper and rabies. The good vet said to wait a week before he goes for another round of shots.

Hector sorry to hear u lost one.


This has been another hurdle thru the Adventures of a Cane Corso. Thank u all and hopefully this post helps others.
 

cinnamon roll

Super Moderator
Super Moderator
You should try posting a new thread with new vet needed in NYC or NJ. We have a few users in that area that I am sure would be able to help you. :)
 

angelbears

Well-Known Member
I was a vet tech for years in an area that was a Petri dish for parvovirus. 50/50 is what we say because seriously there is no way on tell how a dog will do. Pups that are caught early and look good still die. Pups that are on deaths door nd you think will never survive do. It is a crap shoot.

False positives on the snap tests are pretty rare. False negatives are very common. The infected dog has to be shedding the virus for a positive result. Vaccinated dogs can test positive without being symptomatic. Timing of the vaccine near the test is the cause. A dog can carry the virus without becoming infected. Your pups own immune system may have kicked in. This is why one or two puppies will survive when the rest of a litter doesn't. They may or may not even show symptoms.
Better safe than sorry. I would elect 24 hour care with a pup that was depressed and dehydrated but if the pup looked good a regular vet is fine. It all depends on the condition of the puppy.

Vaccinations are a double edged sword. I have seen too many dogs die of parvovirus, and a few who died of distemper. It is not safe to not vaccinate but over vaccinating is dangerous, as well.
Dr. Jean Dodds is the countries most recognized authority on vaccinating. You can find her recommended vaccine protocol at http://www.hemopet.com.
Lyme vaccines are not a core vaccine. Non core vaccines are not recommended. One huge issue is that if your dog is ever tested for Lyme the vaccine will cause the test to be positive.
I would find a new vet. Not because of the parvovirus incident but because they are too willing to give unnecessary vaccines. Try AHVMA Home Page they list veterinarians through out the country who are aware of the perils of over vaccinating.

Selina

I sure hope you are still working in the Veterinary field. Hell, you know more than the vets I have to tolerate. Thank you for insightful post!
 

Victoria93

Well-Known Member
Im very happy that your pup is doing good.
When we first got our corso kato he had some blood in his stool. He was his happy go lucky puppy self which is uncommon for parvo but we rushed him to the vet just to make sure. He was diagnosed with canine coccidiosis and was treated with antibiotics cleared up easy. Has some symptoms like parvo(diarrhea, vomiting)
Hope you figure it out and your sweet boy gets better
 

DennasMom

Well-Known Member
OMG, what a story!!!
So glad you came here and got such wonderful feedback.
I know I've learned a lot here!

I love our vet group - we've been with them for 14 years... it is a little different now with Denna, though... as a feisty EM puppy, she has now scared the vet we've been seeing. The vet opted to NOT look in her ears during her last wellness visit, and trusted that they were fine, because I said so. ?!?!! She also opted to not take her rectal temperature during the same visit. Really??? What am I paying you for???

So, we'll be seeing a different vet at the same place - there are two others that we've seen regularly over the years that aren't quite as timid. Denna might enjoy that better too. She gets antsy around people that are frightened, almost like she feels a need to show them how silly and playful she really is... but a bouncy, lick in your face 140lb puppy doesn't normally put people (especially scared children) at ease. LOL.

Our vet also tends to go for the low-cost option to start. Now that I know better, and can be armed with information from the great group here, I'll know the questions to ask and the tests to request. Just like I do with my Dr., I arm myself with information so I'm ready to control my own health care. I think we rely on vets to know more than they do... like what's "normal" for our dogs.

I certainly hope Marco is just suffering from the deworming and vaccinations... and that the bloody poops go away soon! But, keep an eye open, nobody knows him better than you!
 

Marco

Well-Known Member
here is a picture of him today while we watched American Pickers lol.


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and here was the video from last night when we got back from the Emergency Vet Hospital
(the video was dark so youtube enhanced it, but it looks like an old video. apologies about the quality)

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Marco

Well-Known Member
OMG, what a story!!!
So glad you came here and got such wonderful feedback.
I know I've learned a lot here!

I love our vet group - we've been with them for 14 years... it is a little different now with Denna, though... as a feisty EM puppy, she has now scared the vet we've been seeing. The vet opted to NOT look in her ears during her last wellness visit, and trusted that they were fine, because I said so. ?!?!! She also opted to not take her rectal temperature during the same visit. Really??? What am I paying you for???

So, we'll be seeing a different vet at the same place - there are two others that we've seen regularly over the years that aren't quite as timid. Denna might enjoy that better too. She gets antsy around people that are frightened, almost like she feels a need to show them how silly and playful she really is... but a bouncy, lick in your face 140lb puppy doesn't normally put people (especially scared children) at ease. LOL.

Our vet also tends to go for the low-cost option to start. Now that I know better, and can be armed with information from the great group here, I'll know the questions to ask and the tests to request. Just like I do with my Dr., I arm myself with information so I'm ready to control my own health care. I think we rely on vets to know more than they do... like what's "normal" for our dogs.

I certainly hope Marco is just suffering from the deworming and vaccinations... and that the bloody poops go away soon! But, keep an eye open, nobody knows him better than you!


My lab is my problem child, so taking her to the vet is EXHAUSTING. but she is my husband's baby so she will listen to him. You know after his experience we have learned maybe where we are taking them although good cost it just is not worth the saving that $20-50 neither is because they are closer. We are in the process of looking for a high quality vet. We did learn something new and I hope I am allowed to post it here.

Yesterday the Vet hospital told us about a credit card that we can apply to and use for medical cost (even on us!) it's called Care Credit (http://www.carecredit.com/) yes the interest is a high, but it is a useful card to have or u can use ur own CC if u have one. but I wanted to share that information.


Getting back to what I was saying at first. It's just not worth trying to save $. With my other pets I have never had any issues everything was always straight forward. My lab as a puppy ate the oddest things. We were lucky she always turned out fine. Being new here and in the CC family I have learned we must be responsible and proactive to give these babies a good healthy life. They are different and very special.

I cannot say it enough that this forum has been a savior for my Marco, & I am sure many other. a million thank yous. Wouldn't it be nice to have like an annual Corso event? or Mastiff event, if there isn't one already! lol