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Yamizuma

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You are, without realizing it, agreeing with me. I don't know what some of you people think but getting in shape is not easy for anyone. It's hard to do for ANYONE. But the truth remains that 99 percent of obesity is caused by over eating and under exercising. They're are a million stories of people who used to make the same excuses and eventually overcame their own restrictions. The stone cold fact is that people can achieve what they want to...
In regards to you saying I am making " assumptions" about people... well... so do you! The difference is that I am "assuming" that people can succeed at anything they put their mind to. While you are "assuming" that people are a bunch of victims who cannot achieve certain things. Who is being nicer here? Someone who says "indf you want to be healthy then you can do it" or someone who says "you are born fat and this will never chance regardless of how hard you try"?
I have seen people with all kinds of ailments overcome. I have also heard every excuse known to man from people who prefer to play the helpless victim card. Because after all... making changes is NEVER easy.

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I didn't put words in your mouth. I would thank you not to put words in mine by putting quotation marks on things I didn't say. Please provide me with the source of your stone cold facts? 99 per cent? I am not consciously or subconsciously agreeing with you. Respectfully, I disagree with you. I never used the word victim, and I don't see people or define people or dogs with medical issues as such. It is simply their reality, and while being obese is not good it is not a choice or a lack of character for far more living creatures than the uncited statistic you quote. It is not an excuse, nor something willpower alone can always conquer. My sister can't just put her mind to it, and stop having seizures and get out of the wheelchair, nor eat what is healthy for others without having a grand mal, Willpower alone does not cure mental illness. My neighbour could stop the steroids that make her fat, but loose the ability to hug her nine year old son. Type one diabetics stop taking insulin, and can die. All the willpower in the world apparently doesn't make the Islets of Langerhan in their pancreas come back to life. Are you suggesting that my friend just needs to work her deformed and genetically disabled pet harder and believe it won't be fat that this will work? That's ridiculous. You tell me you are assuming that people can succeed at anything they put their mind to, and I am telling you that however much I might wish that were true, your assumptions and other people's reality do not mesh. Others have a different reality. My path is not your path. I don't want or need to be you. Please respect that others don't wan't can't have or will never be your ideal for myriad reasons, and be grateful you don't have to walk in their shoes. Do not assume that everyone you see that doesn't match your vision of health is lazy and lacking in willpower. You don't know them. You don't know their struggles. And don't assume they are victims, nor say I said they were. We all have our own journey. Mine is not yours. Yours is not mine. How about I refrain from assuming nonsense things about you, and you refrain from assuming nonsense things?


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MandyLionRock

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I didn't put words in your mouth. I would thank you not to put words in mine by putting quotation marks on things I didn't say. Please provide me with the source of your stone cold facts? 99 per cent? I am not consciously or subconsciously agreeing with you. Respectfully, I disagree with you. I never used the word victim, and I don't see people or define people or dogs with medical issues as such. It is simply their reality, and while being obese is not good it is not a choice or a lack of character for far more living creatures than the uncited statistic you quote. It is not an excuse, nor something willpower alone can always conquer. My sister can't just put her mind to it, and stop having seizures and get out of the wheelchair, nor eat what is healthy for others without having a grand mal, Willpower alone does not cure mental illness. My neighbour could stop the steroids that make her fat, but loose the ability to hug her nine year old son. Type one diabetics stop taking insulin, and can die. All the willpower in the world apparently doesn't make the Islets of Langerhan in their pancreas come back to life. Are you suggesting that my friend just needs to work her deformed and genetically disabled pet harder and believe it won't be fat that this will work? That's ridiculous. You tell me you are assuming that people can succeed at anything they put their mind to, and I am telling you that however much I might wish that were true, your assumptions and other people's reality do not mesh. Others have a different reality. My path is not your path. I don't want or need to be you. Please respect that others don't wan't can't have or will never be your ideal for myriad reasons, and be grateful you don't have to walk in their shoes. Do not assume that everyone you see that doesn't match your vision of health is lazy and lacking in willpower. You don't know them. You don't know their struggles. And don't assume they are victims, nor say I said they were. We all have our own journey. Mine is not yours. Yours is not mine. How about I refrain from assuming nonsense things about you, and you refrain from assuming nonsense things?


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Your ultra defensive stands on this is more telling than your words. You are, like most people who love their lives making excuses, using extreme cases to justify the norm. That doesn't work in reality as we know it. Of course there are exceptions to any rule. But the fact that you are arguing that most obesity is caused by over eating speaks volumes of your mindset. If you want to convince yourself that over eating and under exercising has nothing to do with the obesity of this nation then how do you explain the underweight nations who don't have access to Mc Donalds? According to your view we would find just as many obese people in areas where food isn't readily available. But the fact is that where there isn't an abundance of food there is no obesity. People who eat too much are lucky in comparison to people who don't have enough to eat. You can, if you have a mind, stop yourself from getting seconds, thirds and fourths. .. but some REALLY unfortunate people don't have that choice.
As far as you wanting proof that too much food and not enough moving causes most cases of obesity? Would you also like proof that things fall to the ground if you drop them.
How about you prove to me that most obesity cases are healthy eating exercise nuts? Lol
Look.... if you need to fool yourself into tubing l thinking you have no choices so be it. Just don't spread that kind of cancerous non truths to others. The message is simple.... other than a tiny percentage of individuals who truly have no choice in the matter. .. people can achieve what they want to. That is a good message to anyone who doesn't have an agenda. The agenda being to justify their unhealthy and ignorant behavior. And those people know who they are.
Last but not least. If you want to make excuses for being unhealthy so be it. Just don't turn your poor dog into a four legged version of yourself, OK? That's borderline abuse considering the suffering that causes to a dog.

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MandyLionRock

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I didn't put words in your mouth. I would thank you not to put words in mine by putting quotation marks on things I didn't say. Please provide me with the source of your stone cold facts? 99 per cent? I am not consciously or subconsciously agreeing with you. Respectfully, I disagree with you. I never used the word victim, and I don't see people or define people or dogs with medical issues as such. It is simply their reality, and while being obese is not good it is not a choice or a lack of character for far more living creatures than the uncited statistic you quote. It is not an excuse, nor something willpower alone can always conquer. My sister can't just put her mind to it, and stop having seizures and get out of the wheelchair, nor eat what is healthy for others without having a grand mal, Willpower alone does not cure mental illness. My neighbour could stop the steroids that make her fat, but loose the ability to hug her nine year old son. Type one diabetics stop taking insulin, and can die. All the willpower in the world apparently doesn't make the Islets of Langerhan in their pancreas come back to life. Are you suggesting that my friend just needs to work her deformed and genetically disabled pet harder and believe it won't be fat that this will work? That's ridiculous. You tell me you are assuming that people can succeed at anything they put their mind to, and I am telling you that however much I might wish that were true, your assumptions and other people's reality do not mesh. Others have a different reality. My path is not your path. I don't want or need to be you. Please respect that others don't wan't can't have or will never be your ideal for myriad reasons, and be grateful you don't have to walk in their shoes. Do not assume that everyone you see that doesn't match your vision of health is lazy and lacking in willpower. You don't know them. You don't know their struggles. And don't assume they are victims, nor say I said they were. We all have our own journey. Mine is not yours. Yours is not mine. How about I refrain from assuming nonsense things about you, and you refrain from assuming nonsense things?


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I just read my reply to you and had a great laugh at what my auto correct did to me. This phone is like a prankster lol

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MandyLionRock

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LOL @ "MandyLionRock" junior member and season's mommy. Or season herself.
Too funny.
Lol right back at ya.
Just because someone is a junior member here does not make them a junior member in life nor in all things mastiff. Using that as an argument is amusing at best.
Truth is that while there are a lot of mastiff owners, there are few who really get the mastiff on the whole. I find that season has a no nonsense approach and true understanding of what he is taking about. Not the only one here but definitely more on top of it than most.
I guess a lot of people get mad when you point out the obvious?


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MandyLionRock

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season ever had street cred?
I am sorta new, but I pegged season for a poseur from the start. I thought that was kind of obvious, no?
To a wannabe the real deal will never ring true. That's the nature of being clueless.

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MandyLionRock

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I skipped over the nonsense and am just responding to the first post. Yes most dogs are overweight and yes it is a big problem and yes I hold the owners responsible. Dogs love food and people love their dogs so they need to show love by feeding them...too much. Most owners also do not exercise their dogs enough. I work at a vet office and probably 80% of the dogs we see are overweight (from mild to severe). It is so bad for their health and can be managed. I get the body condition chart out multiple times during my day and it is really surprising how many people have no idea their dogs are overweight. I try to teach people how to identify proper body condition, but sadly, most people won't change anything in their routine.
Like I said.... too much food and not enough exercise is the cause of most obesity. In dogs as well as humans. That's just common sense.

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Yamizuma

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Your ultra defensive stands on this is more telling than your words. You are, like most people who love their lives making excuses, using extreme cases to justify the norm. That doesn't work in reality as we know it. Of course there are exceptions to any rule. But the fact that you are arguing that most obesity is caused by over eating speaks volumes of your mindset. If you want to convince yourself that over eating and under exercising has nothing to do with the obesity of this nation then how do you explain the underweight nations who don't have access to Mc Donalds? According to your view we would find just as many obese people in areas where food isn't readily available. But the fact is that where there isn't an abundance of food there is no obesity. People who eat too much are lucky in comparison to people who don't have enough to eat. You can, if you have a mind, stop yourself from getting seconds, thirds and fourths. .. but some REALLY unfortunate people don't have that choice.
As far as you wanting proof that too much food and not enough moving causes most cases of obesity? Would you also like proof that things fall to the ground if you drop them.
How about you prove to me that most obesity cases are healthy eating exercise nuts? Lol
Look.... if you need to fool yourself into tubing l thinking you have no choices so be it. Just don't spread that kind of cancerous non truths to others. The message is simple.... other than a tiny percentage of individuals who truly have no choice in the matter. .. people can achieve what they want to. That is a good message to anyone who doesn't have an agenda. The agenda being to justify their unhealthy and ignorant behavior. And those people know who they are.
Last but not least. If don't turn your poor dog into a four legged version of yourself want to make excuses for being unhealthy so be it. Just don't turn your poor dog into a four legged version of yourself, OK? That's borderline abuse considering the suffering that causes to a dog.

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So sad you have no source for your 99 per cent assumption.

My goodness you read a lot into what I say.

I didn't say that over eating and under exercising has nothing to do with the obesity of "this nation", and I would not say that, as frankly I have no idea which nation you live in.

Yes, I do love my life. I am mostly healthy, happy, have a great job, great salary, loving longtime partner, etc. etc. I eat healthy and exercise frequently. This is a good thing IMHO. I don't need excuses for anything as I have nothing to be excused for.

I don't explain or frankly care why McDonalds access might be a thing.

I said no such thing as we would find just as many obese people in areas where food isn't readily available, nor anything about having multiple helpings. What are you even going on about?

Where do you get the stats to back up that percentage of individuals truly have no choice in the matter and that people can achieve what they want to by sheer willpower. Source please?

I don't have an agenda to justify anything. I wasn't talking about unhealthy and ignorant behaviour.

My sister is not healthy, but not ignorant. Really? I don't choose to define her intellectual and physical disabilities as ignorant.

My neighbour with multiple sclerosis is not ignorant! Really? Unhealthy, yes, but not by choice. Ignorant? Nope. Very well informed and cognitively intact.

My friend with schizophrenia is unhealthy, but not by choice, nor ignorant.

My boss is certainly neither unhealthy by choice nor ignorant.

These are not extremes, but real other people's lives.

Lots of real people, whose choices are medically limited.

Your beliefs and the realities of others do not mesh.

Look at them, and see them as people. Real people. Not one per centers. People that would love to look like the picture of health, and yet, do not. Dismiss them with simple labels as lazy and ignorant, and you would be wrong.

You said "If don't turn your poor dog into a four legged version of yourself want to make excuses for being unhealthy so be it. Just don't turn your poor dog into a four legged version of yourself, ".

Talk about assumptions. What would be wrong with that? She'd be a loving, caring, gentle, mostly healthy and self defining soul...oh...too late. She already is! And she wouldn't be allergic to wasp bites.

I defend the people I know and love who are not actually lazy, lacking willpower and overeating so I must be unhealthy and ignorant, obese, and putting my dog at risk?

Do you feel yourself jumping to conclusions that are baseless? Good workout but wrong. No facts about how fat I might be needed, eh?

I make no excuses for myself, thank you. I'm good with me. I don't need to tell you anything about me because you assume so very much, but you are not correct.

My journey is not your journey.

I don't want or need to be other than I am. You don't need to make baseless assumptions about me and the world of people and dogs that don't fit in your ideals.

Defend your thesis that obese living creatures, especially humans, are 99 per cent fully at fault for their health conditions and by sheer force of will can change this,. Would love to cure MS, diabetes, seizure disorders, thyroid conditions, schizophrenia, genetic disorders....etc.




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MandyLionRock

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Why do you insist on comparing real health issues like ms to eating too much? I have never and would never question any person with a real issue. You do, as I stated before, use real and comparatively rare occasions to back to your nonsense.
I'm not going to help you perpetuate lazy behaviour by copying and pasting information which is readily available to EVERYONE.
Stop trying to side step the real issue. Stop trying to make it sound like I'm insensitive to people's real issues. If anybody is being insensitive it is the one comparing ms to someone who "can't" put a burger down. One is a real disease and the other is a glutton. Get with it already.

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Yamizuma

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Why do you insist on comparing real health issues like ms to eating too much? I have never and would never question any person with a real issue. You do, as I stated before, use real and comparatively rare occasions to back to your nonsense.
I'm not going to help you perpetuate lazy behaviour by copying and pasting information which is readily available to EVERYONE.
Stop trying to side step the real issue. Stop trying to make it sound like I'm insensitive to people's real issues. If anybody is being insensitive it is the one comparing ms to someone who "can't" put a burger down. One is a real disease and the other is a glutton. Get with it already.

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MY nonsense? Rare? Get with it already?

You were insensitive.

Defend your one percent theory.


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MandyLionRock

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MY nonsense? Rare? Get with it already?

You were insensitive.

Defend your one percent theory.


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OK... we established that you are sore l slow and lazy. Do you have Google? Look it up. Everyone with an IQ higher than a child's shoe size already knows what I stated. I'm not disputing the theory of relativity here. Lol
I am saying that MOST cases of obesity are caused by over eating and under exercising. What is it that prevents you to understand this simple fact? You are hilarious in ways you will never begin to understand.


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MandyLionRock

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MY nonsense? Rare? Get with it already?

You were insensitive.

Defend your one percent theory.


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OK then...
Since you are incapable of reading the facts for yourself I figured I'll try and help you this once. Here is the latest study on the state of and what causes obesity. Have a friend read it with you and help you understand it since I'm sure this will read like Chinese to you since it simply states the truth with no regard to politically correct ridiculousness.
Here we go...

Obesity Epidemic: Overeating to Blame
May 11, 2009 -- Blame the refrigerator for Americans’ ever-expanding waistlines. A new study shows that overeating accounts for the obesity epidemic in America.

Researchers say that until now no one has quantified the contributions of overeating and decreases in physical activity to the rise in obesity in America since the 1970s.

“Reduced physical activity and increased energy intake have been major drivers of the obesity epidemic,†says researcher Boyd Swinburn, chair of population health and director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Centre for Obesity Prevention at Deakin University in Australia, in a news release.

This study demonstrates that the weight gain in the American population seems to be virtually all explained by eating more calories and less physical activity.

Explaining the Obesity Epidemic
The study, presented at ECO 2009 -- The 17th European Congress on Obesity in Amsterdam, Netherlands, used a novel approach to estimate the relative contributions of overeating and physical activity to the obesity epidemic in America.

First, they tested 1,399 adults and 963 children to determine how many calories their bodies burned under normal, real-life situations. Then they calculated how much the adults needed to eat in order to maintain a stable weight, and how much children needed to eat in order to maintain normal growth.

Next, they looked at data from a nationally representative survey (NHANES) that recorded the weight of Americans in the 1970s and early 2000s to determine the actual weight gain over that period. Finally, researchers used national food supply data to analyze how much the participants ate from the 1970s to the early 2000s. Using this information on calorie intake vs. calories burned, they concluded the weight gain over the 30-year period is caused by increased food intake and decreased physical activity.

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Yamizuma

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OK... we established that you are sore l slow and lazy. Do you have Google? Look it up. Everyone with an IQ higher than a child's shoe size already knows what I stated. I'm not disputing the theory of relativity here. Lol
I am saying that MOST cases of obesity are caused by over eating and under exercising. What is it that prevents you to understand this simple fact? You are hilarious in ways you will never begin to understand.


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Thanks, I am usually lots of fun and easygoing. My IQ is 143, so not stupid either, although I know you were saying that with tongue in cheek.

You not slow nor stupid either.

I don't need to google squat to know that there are lots and lots of folks that blame nonsense for their own faults.

What I will defend to death is the idea that it is 99 per cent true that wishing for a magic answer works or that it is nearly universal that sheer willpower and hard work can cure anything I am like my mastiff in that there are some things I must defend.

Considering I have so many real life examples so close to home, and how many people I have known whose body image issues have literally been fatal, I again say and refine what I've been trying to say from the outset...

You can not look at a fat person or dog and assume their obesity is due to laziness or ignorance. You don't know their issues, and their journey is not yours.

Of course we ALL have an obligation to be responsible for our own health in so far as we can, and to take responsibility for keeping our pets as healthy as we can.

The point I was trying to make from the outset is that black and white absolutes do not and cannot apply when there are so many variables.

The endemic nature of obesity, especially in the U.S.A. Is a real thing, but the tar brush is not one size fits all.




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Yamizuma

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OK then...
Since you are incapable of reading the facts for yourself I figured I'll try and help you this once. Here is the latest study on the state of and what causes obesity. Have a friend read it with you and help you understand it since I'm sure this will read like Chinese to you since it simply states the truth with no regard to politically correct ridiculousness.
Here we go...

Obesity Epidemic: Overeating to Blame
May 11, 2009 -- Blame the refrigerator for Americans’ ever-expanding waistlines. A new study shows that overeating accounts for the obesity epidemic in America.

Researchers say that until now no one has quantified the contributions of overeating and decreases in physical activity to the rise in obesity in America since the 1970s.

“Reduced physical activity and increased energy intake have been major drivers of the obesity epidemic,†says researcher Boyd Swinburn, chair of population health and director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Centre for Obesity Prevention at Deakin University in Australia, in a news release.

This study demonstrates that the weight gain in the American population seems to be virtually all explained by eating more calories and less physical activity.

Explaining the Obesity Epidemic
The study, presented at ECO 2009 -- The 17th European Congress on Obesity in Amsterdam, Netherlands, used a novel approach to estimate the relative contributions of overeating and physical activity to the obesity epidemic in America.

First, they tested 1,399 adults and 963 children to determine how many calories their bodies burned under normal, real-life situations. Then they calculated how much the adults needed to eat in order to maintain a stable weight, and how much children needed to eat in order to maintain normal growth.

Next, they looked at data from a nationally representative survey (NHANES) that recorded the weight of Americans in the 1970s and early 2000s to determine the actual weight gain over that period. Finally, researchers used national food supply data to analyze how much the participants ate from the 1970s to the early 2000s. Using this information on calorie intake vs. calories burned, they concluded the weight gain over the 30-year period is caused by increased food intake and decreased physical activity.

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Source? And BTW I do not live in the USA, so, relevance?


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MandyLionRock

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Thanks, I am usually lots of fun and easygoing. My IQ is 143, so not stupid either, although I know you were saying that with tongue in cheek.

You not slow nor stupid either.

I don't need to google squat to know that there are lots and lots of folks that blame nonsense for their own faults.

What I will defend to death is the idea that it is 99 per cent true that wishing for a magic answer works or that it is nearly universal that sheer willpower and hard work can cure anything I am like my mastiff in that there are some things I must defend.

Considering I have so many real life examples so close to home, and how many people I have known whose body image issues have literally been fatal, I again say and refine what I've been trying to say from the outset...

You can not look at a fat person or dog and assume their obesity is due to laziness or ignorance. You don't know their issues, and their journey is not yours.

Of course we ALL have an obligation to be responsible for our own health in so far as we can, and to take responsibility for keeping our pets as healthy as we can.

The point I was trying to make from the outset is that black and white absolutes do not and cannot apply when there are so many variables.

The endemic nature of obesity, especially in the U.S.A. Is a real thing, but the tar brush is not one size fits all.




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As I stated over and over again.
MOST cases are simply over eating and under exercising. There is always the exception to the rule. How many times have you read somewhere that the size of a mastiff is between 180 to 343 pounds? This, of course, is an inaccurate thing to say since zorba was the only mastiff to ever reach that size without being fat. So if we want to be on point we have to say that the mastiff is 180 to 220 pounds with few exceptions. The same goes for obese people. Most are obese due to eating too much and not moving enough with few exceptions of course. I don't know how to make this any more clear to you.

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Yamizuma

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As I stated over and over again.
MOST cases are simply over eating and under exercising. There is always the exception to the rule. How many times have you read somewhere that the size of a mastiff is between 180 to 343 pounds? This, of course, is an inaccurate thing to say since zorba was the only mastiff to ever reach that size without being fat. So if we want to be on point we have to say that the mastiff is 180 to 220 pounds with few exceptions. The same goes for obese people. Most are obese due to eating too much and not moving enough with few exceptions of course. I don't know how to make this any more clear to you.

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Source for "MOST cases"? How many times must I ask you to jefe de your thesis. My mastiff is just under 100 lbs. I don't know how to make this any more clear to you.


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MandyLionRock

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Source for "MOST cases"? How many times must I ask you to jefe de your thesis. My mastiff is just under 100 lbs. I don't know how to make this any more clear to you.


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How do you even get around without running into buildings? Lol

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Yamizuma

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Are you really this dense? It quotes the blasted sources! I gave you the names and places to go. Are you really that lazy? It doesn't matter where you live. This is a global issue. Lol
Now I want proof of your IQ because there is a better chance of me waking up tomorrow with my balls stapled to the ceiling than you riding in anything other than a very, VERY short bus. Lol
Let's just end it here. You have already diminished my IQ by at least ten points with your brain farts. Let's just agree to disagree, can we?

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Look at your post again. Source is not identified as far as I can see.


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