Rising Phoenix Mastiff Rescue in Yakima, WA reviews... scary!

[Passion8]

I recently applied to adopt a Cane Corso named Rino from Rising Phoenix. My application was accepted and when I asked for a bit more info about the dog I was notified that he has been adopted, yet his pic is still listed. I am happy that I found out about her before I drove across the border for 6 hours to adopt. I live in Hope BC and was more than willing to drive to 3104 Stanton Road Yakima WA 98903 to pic up my dog. If Rino existed and has been adopted I am happy. I hope it gets shut down.

 

[musicdeb]

You should join the awareness group on facebook. A number of people who belong to the group have been scammed by this so-called rescue group. http://www.facebook.com/groups/472620589439285/ It's a closed group. Northern Mastiff on the forum runs the group.

I'm sorry you had the experience with this evil lady. You're one of the fortunate ones. Others haven't faired so well.

 

[DennasMom]

They have another Neo listed - but he's a chocolate color?
He's listed as a "young adult", but looks to me that he has a bit o' gray on the muzzle.
Pictures look good. I hope he finds a good home quick.
He's in the Yakima, WA area according to the petfinder post.
http://www.petfinder.com/petdetail/24292592

Sure wish Petfinder would list the dates the animals are first listed...

 

[mear]

I am so greatful that I found this thread! We are trying to rehome our English Mastiff and I had emailed Rising Phoenix about our boy, she wrote back immediately, and I somehow had the sense to look up reviews before going through with anything. Thank you guys for sharing your stories! We want the absolute best for our Lenny!

Does anyone have any suggestions on good mastiff rescues in Washington state, preferable on the western side of the state? I need a safe place for Lenny to be if I do not find a good home for him sometime soon.

 

[musicdeb]

I do not have suggestions mear, repost your question under Adoptions. Yes, Rising Phoenix needs to go down. There is an awareness group on facebook that has a lot of people scammed by Rising Phoenix. Good luck on your search but a heads up, most mastiff rescues are at capacity due to the bad economy and people who didn't realize a mastiff would get big. Check other rescues. We have a Pet Haven in the DFW area that takes all breeds.

 

[mear]

I do not have suggestions mear, repost your question under Adoptions. Yes, Rising Phoenix needs to go down. There is an awareness group on facebook that has a lot of people scammed by Rising Phoenix. Good luck on your search but a heads up, most mastiff rescues are at capacity due to the bad economy and people who didn't realize a mastiff would get big. Check other rescues. We have a Pet Haven in the DFW area that takes all breeds.

Thank you for the info, MusicDeb!

 

[northernmastiff]

For anyone who has had an experience with RPMR, we are trying to compile a list of complaints with photos of the dogs when they were adopted so the state of the dogs is documented. You can message me directly or join the facebook group trying to help the dogs in her care.

 

[bashmichel]

I adopted a Fila from Rising Phoenix 3 weeks ago. I paid $300 for her and was told she was 11 months. When I got her she was very skinny and and had old wounds and some still healing. She also had bad diarreah and was filthy. Most of this I of course didn't know until I got home. The woman I delt with seemed nice and I didn't detect any problem with her. I am wondering about the dogs age as she looks like she has had puppies. I wish I had checked the reviews before I adopted. I found her on pet finders and thought rescue groups were all on the up and up. Her diarreah is better but her stools are still very loose. They also told me she was house broken which she is not completly, numerous accidents. After reading all these reviews I am now wondering if she is even spayed or had her shots? They gave me a paper saying she was spayed and had her shots but that is all, I think I will call the vet in Yakama and check.

She is a great big playful dog and very sweet to her family, but she is a Fila and the first encounter with my sons family at thankgiving didn't go smoothly. Any one who can give me some tips on introducing my son and wife and my 2 grandkids (3 and 5)to her please do so. I think I would be most comfortable getting her a muzzle. Any suggestions on style or type?

 

[musicdeb]

I'm so sorry you adopted from Rising Phoenix. She is bad news. There is a facebook page specifically set up to put this woman out of business and to rescue the dogs. She has an "F" rating with BBB.

A Fila... Have you ever owned a Fila? They are one of most difficult dogs to own in the Mastiff world because they do not like anyone except those people living in the house with them. There are a number of Fila owners on the forum. Send messages to dogma#1, angelbears and chuckorlando, they will tell you.

Please keep your fila away from others outside of the home until you have more information on how to handle them. FYI: It can take a re-homed dog 8-12 months to totally trust you.

 

[angelbears]

Thanks Deb,

I'll be more than happy to help in any way I can. They just need to contact one of us or start a thread on owning a Fila. I'm a little worried about them trying to intro their son and family. You are very correct about a rescue needing time to adjust and trust in their new home.

 

[musicdeb]

Thanks Deb,

I'll be more than happy to help in any way I can. They just need to contact one of us or start a thread on owning a Fila. I'm a little worried about them trying to intro their son and family. You are very correct about a rescue needing time to adjust and trust in their new home.

Thank you, angelbears. I'm a little concerned.

 

[chuckorlando]

Fila's are one family dogs. The extent of who the dog see's as family will depend on who's around the dog. It's completely possible to introduce new people to the dog. But to be honest, I myself would'nt trust the dog after only 3wks. Your technicly a stranger to the dog. But I also have the belief that if a Fila has'nt found their family, they may be easier to get close to as they have no one or nothing to protect yet. No facts to support that just a little logic.

Lets start with your house. Your fila must be secure at all times. They can jump pretty damn high from a stand still, motivated to jump even worse, running start they could clear a 6ft fence. So your yard either needs a secure and tall fence, or the dogs never to be out without a restraint. They've been known to go through windows when motivated by a stranger in the yard. Keep in mind motivated means they seen a stranger. No provoking needed here because thats what these dogs are bread for. So keep that in mind with furniture placement and such. I dont think is a huge problem with most filas. But when it's a problem it's a huge one.

You need to be in control. The dogs needs to know your the boss. Call it what you want to, but you need to be the top dog. If not your in for even more issues when they get wound up. I suggest you make the dog work for food and such. Kona has to sit, I set down her food, then see must look at me untill I say good girl. They need constant training. If you want sit, you dont let up till the dog sit's. You say it you need to mean it. You give an inch they take a mile. You also can not be heavy handed with a fila. They are very sensitive animals and only hope to make you happy. Hitting the dog will truely hurt their feelings and can ruin the dogs temp. Not to say you cant give em a smack on the ass. But I can play with kona 10x as hard as I can spank her. It's all about the tone with her. If you dont want the dog in a room, dont ever let the dog in there. Or have what ever rules you have for the room, like only with you, but be like that all the time.

Far as new people.... Well it's possible. But it aint easy. If I was you I would start right now while everyone is new. Keep the dog on a leash. I like to use a leash to a thick collar and another to a harness with a handle. Hold the handle with one hand and keep the leash wrapped tight in the other. Muzzles would be good at this point to. Now you probly want to start introducing them in a park or something where no one else is around and the dogs not in their home. Do not let any one mess with the dog. Just ignore it. The dog aint there. Now repeat this till the dog seems use to them. You'll know typicly soon as they see them as the dog should turn on. Watch for very subtle tells. Head drops level to the body, all business look on their face, not looking away from the target. The tells are there.

Once the dog seems use to them, try going to the house and hanging in the yard. Same rules. Work up to being in the house. The problem is gonna be in the frequency of the visits. If that dogs gonna excpet them as family they need to be around ALOT.

Another huge issue is the dogs age. Your past the socialize, socialize, socialize stage. I would honestly make a practice of not taking the dog around people. Least not to you know where that temp is at. These dogs are light switch protective. If your stahding there all alone on a path and a person rounds the corner, BAM their on. This breed is no joke. I've said time and again they are very easy dogs to own if your realistic about what you have. THEY DONT LIKE STRANGERS AND YOU WILL NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER TRAIN A REAL FILA TO LIKE STRANGERS. Especialy an grown one. You can widen their family with alot of work. But again they need to be around alot. Random friends will never be cool.

I would also suggest you crate train the dog or train the dog to stay in one room with the door closed. That way when you have people over your able to remove the problem all together

---------- Post added at 09:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:52 AM ----------

WOW I just typed a lot. WTF was I thinking

 

[chuckorlando]

WOW I just typed a lot. WTF was I thinking

 

[musicdeb]

WOW!!!! Thank you, Chuck! Filas owners rock!

---------- Post added at 09:00 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:59 AM ----------

WOW I just typed a lot. WTF was I thinking

hehehehehe

 

[musicdeb]

dup post

---------- Post added at 09:01 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:00 AM ----------

Fila's are one family dogs. The extent of who the dog see's as family will depend on who's around the dog. It's completely possible to introduce new people to the dog. But to be honest, I myself would'nt trust the dog after only 3wks. Your technicly a stranger to the dog. But I also have the belief that if a Fila has'nt found their family, they may be easier to get close to as they have no one or nothing to protect yet. No facts to support that just a little logic.

Lets start with your house. Your fila must be secure at all times. They can jump pretty damn high from a stand still, motivated to jump even worse, running start they could clear a 6ft fence. So your yard either needs a secure and tall fence, or the dogs never to be out without a restraint. They've been known to go through windows when motivated by a stranger in the yard. Keep in mind motivated means they seen a stranger. No provoking needed here because thats what these dogs are bread for. So keep that in mind with furniture placement and such. I dont think is a huge problem with most filas. But when it's a problem it's a huge one.

You need to be in control. The dogs needs to know your the boss. Call it what you want to, but you need to be the top dog. If not your in for even more issues when they get wound up. I suggest you make the dog work for food and such. Kona has to sit, I set down her food, then see must look at me untill I say good girl. They need constant training. If you want sit, you dont let up till the dog sit's. You say it you need to mean it. You give an inch they take a mile. You also can not be heavy handed with a fila. They are very sensitive animals and only hope to make you happy. Hitting the dog will truely hurt their feelings and can ruin the dogs temp. Not to say you cant give em a smack on the ass. But I can play with kona 10x as hard as I can spank her. It's all about the tone with her. If you dont want the dog in a room, dont ever let the dog in there. Or have what ever rules you have for the room, like only with you, but be like that all the time.

Far as new people.... Well it's possible. But it aint easy. If I was you I would start right now while everyone is new. Keep the dog on a leash. I like to use a leash to a thick collar and another to a harness with a handle. Hold the handle with one hand and keep the leash wrapped tight in the other. Muzzles would be good at this point to. Now you probly want to start introducing them in a park or something where no one else is around and the dogs not in their home. Do not let any one mess with the dog. Just ignore it. The dog aint there. Now repeat this till the dog seems use to them. You'll know typicly soon as they see them as the dog should turn on. Watch for very subtle tells. Head drops level to the body, all business look on their face, not looking away from the target. The tells are there.

Once the dog seems use to them, try going to the house and hanging in the yard. Same rules. Work up to being in the house. The problem is gonna be in the frequency of the visits. If that dogs gonna excpet them as family they need to be around ALOT.

Another huge issue is the dogs age. Your past the socialize, socialize, socialize stage. I would honestly make a practice of not taking the dog around people. Least not to you know where that temp is at. These dogs are light switch protective. If your stahding there all alone on a path and a person rounds the corner, BAM their on. This breed is no joke. I've said time and again they are very easy dogs to own if your realistic about what you have. THEY DONT LIKE STRANGERS AND YOU WILL NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER TRAIN A REAL FILA TO LIKE STRANGERS. Especialy an grown one. You can widen their family with alot of work. But again they need to be around alot. Random friends will never be cool.

I would also suggest you crate train the dog or train the dog to stay in one room with the door closed. That way when you have people over your able to remove the problem all together

---------- Post added at 09:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:52 AM ----------

WOW I just typed a lot. WTF was I thinking

It is ok if I save what you typed so when other Fila owners post, I can post your reply and show it courtesy of chuckorlando?

 

[musicdeb]

Fila's are one family dogs. The extent of who the dog see's as family will depend on who's around the dog. It's completely possible to introduce new people to the dog. But to be honest, I myself would'nt trust the dog after only 3wks. Your technicly a stranger to the dog. But I also have the belief that if a Fila has'nt found their family, they may be easier to get close to as they have no one or nothing to protect yet. No facts to support that just a little logic.

Lets start with your house. Your fila must be secure at all times. They can jump pretty damn high from a stand still, motivated to jump even worse, running start they could clear a 6ft fence. So your yard either needs a secure and tall fence, or the dogs never to be out without a restraint. They've been known to go through windows when motivated by a stranger in the yard. Keep in mind motivated means they seen a stranger. No provoking needed here because thats what these dogs are bread for. So keep that in mind with furniture placement and such. I dont think is a huge problem with most filas. But when it's a problem it's a huge one.

You need to be in control. The dogs needs to know your the boss. Call it what you want to, but you need to be the top dog. If not your in for even more issues when they get wound up. I suggest you make the dog work for food and such. Kona has to sit, I set down her food, then see must look at me untill I say good girl. They need constant training. If you want sit, you dont let up till the dog sit's. You say it you need to mean it. You give an inch they take a mile. You also can not be heavy handed with a fila. They are very sensitive animals and only hope to make you happy. Hitting the dog will truely hurt their feelings and can ruin the dogs temp. Not to say you cant give em a smack on the ass. But I can play with kona 10x as hard as I can spank her. It's all about the tone with her. If you dont want the dog in a room, dont ever let the dog in there. Or have what ever rules you have for the room, like only with you, but be like that all the time.

Far as new people.... Well it's possible. But it aint easy. If I was you I would start right now while everyone is new. Keep the dog on a leash. I like to use a leash to a thick collar and another to a harness with a handle. Hold the handle with one hand and keep the leash wrapped tight in the other. Muzzles would be good at this point to. Now you probly want to start introducing them in a park or something where no one else is around and the dogs not in their home. Do not let any one mess with the dog. Just ignore it. The dog aint there. Now repeat this till the dog seems use to them. You'll know typicly soon as they see them as the dog should turn on. Watch for very subtle tells. Head drops level to the body, all business look on their face, not looking away from the target. The tells are there.

Once the dog seems use to them, try going to the house and hanging in the yard. Same rules. Work up to being in the house. The problem is gonna be in the frequency of the visits. If that dogs gonna excpet them as family they need to be around ALOT.

Another huge issue is the dogs age. Your past the socialize, socialize, socialize stage. I would honestly make a practice of not taking the dog around people. Least not to you know where that temp is at. These dogs are light switch protective. If your stahding there all alone on a path and a person rounds the corner, BAM their on. This breed is no joke. I've said time and again they are very easy dogs to own if your realistic about what you have. THEY DONT LIKE STRANGERS AND YOU WILL NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER TRAIN A REAL FILA TO LIKE STRANGERS. Especialy an grown one. You can widen their family with alot of work. But again they need to be around alot. Random friends will never be cool.

I would also suggest you crate train the dog or train the dog to stay in one room with the door closed. That way when you have people over your able to remove the problem all together

---------- Post added at 09:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:52 AM ----------

WOW I just typed a lot. WTF was I thinking

It is ok if I save what you typed so when other Fila owners post, I can post your reply and show it courtesy of chuckorlando?

 

[chuckorlando]

I would also say that when your introducing family, this aint a one day deal. It could take a very long time. And a ton of caution. Your really between a rock and a hard spot. You have a dog that you dont know yet. That works for and against you. It works for you cause everyone is new right now. I figure that would make it easier to introduce people. On the other hand you dont know the dog. You dont know the tells how hard or soft the temp is, if it fear bites sneak attacks, or goes full on bear.

I would proceed with alot of caution

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I dont care what ya do with it. hahahaha. But honestly I would'nt suggest people try to introduce folks to their fila if they are just getting into one. I'm a firm believer it's possible. But not what I suggest to most. This just seems diffrent being they have only known the dog a few weeks.

 

[chuckorlando]

I dont care what ya do with it. hahahaha. But honestly I would'nt suggest people try to introduce folks to their fila if they are just getting into one. I'm a firm believer it's possible. But not what I suggest to most. This just seems diffrent being they have only known the dog a few weeks.

 

[musicdeb]

I dont care what ya do with it. hahahaha. But honestly I would'nt suggest people try to introduce folks to their fila if they are just getting into one. I'm a firm believer it's possible. But not what I suggest to most. This just seems diffrent being they have only known the dog a few weeks.

Thanks chuck!

 

[allsierra123]

DANG!.....

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