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mklamcc

mklamcc

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Yes, milk thistle improves the funtion and helps protect and possibly repair it. I don't know about any benefits to the kidney but doesn't mesn there aren't any. Cranberry has benefits for the kidneys and bladder though.
 
raechiemay

raechiemay

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Duchess is sending her buddy some healing vibes. Can't imagine what you're going through. Keep us posted!
 
Zoeymil

Zoeymil

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You guys are in our prayers:(. Our zoey is being tested for diluted urine again on sat. She suspects Addison's disease. All I have learned is the Internet puts me in tears! Good luck, it's gonna be good news!
 
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musicdeb

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Miss Sadie, Titan says to get better because he likes playing with you. Titan sends HUGE slobbery kisses!

I'm so sorry to hear this A. I hope that it is treatable and Miss Sadie will fully recover. Lots of healing vibes your way!
 
Sadies Mom

Sadies Mom

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Thank you everyone!! The wait is killing me, and trying to stay away from doing research on kidney desiase is hard. I should probably start a new thread on this but, one thing I have read is that dogs with kidney desiase needs to be on a low protein, low phosphorus level food, so I might have to switch Sadies food agai and I need to do extencive research on food. All low protein food I have come across so far has chicken and grains in it and that is a BIG no-no for Sadie. But, does anyone know what is concidered a low protein (under 25%, under 20%)?
 
jenny adams

jenny adams

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:pray:god help sadie get better, help her mum be strong to be there to give her hug when she is better thank you god, be strong hope it dos not mean a change in food, you are a very good mummy to her, we all hope she gets better
 
ruthcatrin

ruthcatrin

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Sadies Mom said:
But, does anyone know what is concidered a low protein (under 25%, under 20%)?
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Ask the vet, but I'll do some digging, I vaugely recall that when I was doing research about my cats kidney problems it wasn't so much an actual number as the lowest protein number you could get the animal to eat.
 
Mooshi's Mummy

Mooshi's Mummy

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Ruth will come up with some great food advice for you I am sure. In the meantime I remember reading somewhere before we got Mooshi that low protien is under 24%. Wait for Ruth to come back tho, she is great at this sort of problem. In the meantime try to stay off the net and torturing yourself if you can. I know its easier said then done but its not good for you!
 
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ruthcatrin

ruthcatrin

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Remind me again how old she is? Under a year right? Screwing with the phos numbers is going to affect her growth dammit.

Ok, I HAVE the links if you want them, but I'm not going to post them cause you'll drive yourself nuts reading all the bad things. But I HAVE them, so if you need the references I can provide them.

Though the "common knowledge" is that low protein is better, actual research indicates that in many cases what really counts is the QUALITY of the protein (now that I'm reading this I recall this for cats too, in the end it didn't matter for me cause my cat will eat what she wants to eat and nothing else). A slightly lower number on the protein figure yes, but the protein being good quality (meat, eggs, etc) and not the lower quality proteins commonly found in pet foods (ie: grains), will be easier for the body to digest properly and leave less waste for the kidneys to handle. Phos numbers do count, as do controlling several other vitamins and the like since if the kidneys aren't filtering like they're supposed to the body could be overloaded with them.

Based on research done in the last ten years, that the only time it is necessary to feed a low protein diet is when your dog is uremic, which generally means BUN is over 80 mg/dL (equivalent to 28.6 mmol/L), creatinine is over 4.0 mg/dL (equivalent to 354 µmol/L), and the dog is showing symptoms such as vomiting, nausea,inappetence, ulcers and lethargy, which are caused by the build-up of nitrogen in the blood. Even then, feeding low protein will not extend life, but it will help the dog feel better. Subcutaneous fluids can also help at this time (and before).

If your dog has significant amounts of protein in the urine (urine protein:creatinine ratio above 1.0), then you may need to reduce protein moderately, enough to control the proteinuria, but a really low-protein diet is not considered beneficial, as it can lead to hypoalbuminemia (low albumin levels).
If your dog is not uremic, then the consensus seems to be to feed a moderate amount of very high quality protein. Eggs have the highest quality protein (although egg yolks are high in phosphorus), followed by meat (raw or cooked). The lowest quality protein comes from grains.

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When developing a diet for your dog with kidney failure, the goal is to reduce phosphorus by feeding moderate to high fat, moderate amounts of high quality protein,and low phosphorus carbohydrates to provide calories.
Dogs with kidney problems often do better when fed several small meals throughout the day rather than just one or two large meals.
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I vaugely recall that you couldn't feed raw for various reasons. Would you be willing to do home-cooked? That may be the easiest way to manage and balance her diet without resorting to nasty prescription stuff. I have to go to work now, but I'll post more when I get home....
 
Sadies Mom

Sadies Mom

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Thank You Ruth, yes, she just turned 10 months old and I do not want to change food since she is doing well on the TOTW, but the protein is 27%, Calcium is 1.4-as fed and phosphorus is 1-as fed. I looked at the prescription foods for kidney health, and all level are WAY to low. 12% protein and 0.3% phosphorus and calcium was very low too. I have not been told to change her food yet, but I want to be prepared if it is in her best interest. I will be more then happy to cook for her or I might just have to bite the bullet and go raw if it will help her. The reason I don't feel comfortable feeding raw, is when we go racing, and we do that
at least once a month, sometimes more, and being able to keep raw meat at the appropriate temperature for three days. I am at work right now and I do not have her blood work papers with me, but I will compare them to the levels above.

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Here are the formulas I feed her now. I rotate every couple of bags
http://www.tasteofthewildpetfood.com/products/puppies/dry_food/high_prairie_puppy_formula/
http://www.tasteofthewildpetfood.com/products/puppies/dry_food/pacific_stream_puppy_formula/
 
ruthcatrin

ruthcatrin

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If/when you have to change foods, ask for a referal to a nutritionist (Smart family might be able to recommend one, they don,t need to be local to you, just have access to the medical records) And work with them to see if you can balance the low phos and the protein requirments with the healthy levels needed to make sure she grows right. She's young enough that her growth is important too....
 
TN Dogues

TN Dogues

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Phosphorus and ash levels are what can cause kidney problems in cats, not sure about dogs.

Lots of prayers :pray: and wishes for Sadie's recovery.
 
ruthcatrin

ruthcatrin

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TN Dogues said:
Phosphorus and ash levels are what can cause kidney problems in cats, not sure about dogs.
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Basically the same, or at least they can trigger additional problems in an animal already affected.

Sadie's mom, I'm finding less general info for dogs with kidney problems than I did for cats, however I did also find this: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/K9KIDNEYS/ which is a yahoo support group for those folks coping with a dog with kidney problems. There are similer groups for cat owners with kidney and thyroid problems (I belong to both), and I highly recommend them. If that one is like the ones I'm part of you'll have folks who've been dealing with these problems for years, and they'll be more than willing to share all sorts of suggestions and ideas and things that worked for them. Don't forget to share the info back this way for the next person trying to figure out what to do with their sick dog!
 
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