opinions

[Cody]

Really, I do not agree that this is all ego in regards to this particular dog. Facts are simple in this case; does not have papers, does not fit any of the standards, doe not look like a Corso, there for it is not a Purebred Corso. It is pretty black and white. The arguments of old school Italian dogs from 20-30 years ago do not apply in this case. This dog is not directly out of Tipsi or Alliot... Those are dogs that predate the standard, they fall into a type not a breed. Today's Corso has been established, standards written, registries accept them. Regardless of our feeling on standards and what not, modern CC vs Rustic, the breed is just that. It has become a breed. I agree that many CC with papers are poor examples of the breed. I completely agree that people need to take a good, hard look at what is in their own yards and most importantly BE HONEST with themselves before breeding. Trouble is, most pay money for a "breed" quality dog, their breeders tell them that that is what it is, so regardless of the dogs faults they breed it. I do not believe that the CC is really any different from any breed as far as drama, ego's and politics. There is the same pettiness in all breeds, but because we are not involved in those breeds we do not see it. Crap at the RR nationals in Canada last year there were police called and assault charges...

 

[thelady_v2010]

I posted this dog in the rescue section here last week. I guess I just felt that it was a dog ina bad situtaion (kept outside). The owner obvioulsy didn't do the dog right by making him an outside dog. I saw the posts on the FB group and I still feel the same. It is a dog in need, it obviously is not a perfect speciman of any breed. I guess I think if you are rescuing a dog, you don't know what you are getting and it doesn't matter so much.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

We will have to agree to disagree. I read the posts and I think there is more than enough ego in those posts, whether you think other breeds are as bad or not, from those that aren't participating there is a reason and isn't because they don't feel the over-night experts need education it is because of the drama and internet wars that take over from it.

To each their own, I prefer to work with those that are constantly learning themselves and sharing their knowledge. Regardless I hope this boy finds and appropriate home that can help him out.

 

[dogman#1]

Time out, you can slap a pedigree to any mutt, easy enough. all you have to do is say that it is the dog the papers were made for. In this instance the dog doesnt look likea CC (or not like anyone I have ever seen). If it had papers it would still not be a CC, if it went to a show and it was the only registered dog under the bredd CC then it would win points and be Best Of Breed so show points dont mean squat either. The bottom line is that it matters not if the person that owns the dog thinks it is a CC, or a st bernard or a wolf for that matter..the dog is an obvious mutt that doesnt fit the standard of any established breed. Does the dog need help? sure, but the new owner should be made aware of what they are getting instead of being mislead.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I think that the current owner is pretty honest about the boy and what his issues are in his ad, regardless of the breed. How does him being a corso or not change the type of home that that boy will require. If it was a fila, Cane Corso, Presa, etc. would that change the type of home that the dog needs? No it still needs a home with no children that can handle the issues this dog has.

 

[thelady_v2010]

Time out, you can slap a pedigree to any mutt, easy enough. all you have to do is say that it is the dog the papers were made for. In this instance the dog doesnt look likea CC (or not like anyone I have ever seen). If it had papers it would still not be a CC, if it went to a show and it was the only registered dog under the bredd CC then it would win points and be Best Of Breed so show points dont mean squat either. The bottom line is that it matters not if the person that owns the dog thinks it is a CC, or a st bernard or a wolf for that matter..the dog is an obvious mutt that doesnt fit the standard of any established breed. Does the dog need help? sure, but the new owner should be made aware of what they are getting instead of being mislead.

Right, but right now the discussion is NOT with the new owner.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

This discussion was never with the owner that I am aware of. Someone contact him for more info on the dog but never to make him aware that he didn't have a Cane Corso but a mutt. This was posted on a breed discussion page so the owner was never brought in on this particular discussion.

 

[dogman#1]

"Do you think this is a CC? Since there are no papers, going off looks alone, do you think this a pure bred CC?"

That was the original question... Now to answer your question.. Do i think there would be a difference of which home it would be placed with if it were a specific breed??? ummm, YEA!. If it was an undersocialized setter it would be one thing, a full grown Fila with hard temp another, a Presa yet another. I know Fila breeders who take in adults all the time... I wouldnt give that to a CC person or a Presa person. I would not give an adult male Presa to a Fila person etc, etc.. way diff dogs with way diff handling techniques and precautions that must be met. If this was a Fila and I had the room I would take him and I have kids... I know that after a while of bonding I can leave him with my children and no issues. If this was a presa.... lol, no! I have other dogs.

 

[Cody]

Answer to original question, NOPE. If it doesn't look like a Corso then it is NOT a Corso. Black and White

 

[jcook]

sure, but the new owner should be made aware of what they are getting instead of being mislead.

That was one of my concerns when i saw the photo in the Cane Corso group on fb. I honestly didnt want this dog to get wrongly labeled as a CC and then be a representation of the breed. It is aggressive and it is not a CC.

The hypothetical situation that went through my head was someone buys this "purebred CC". maybe they take it to a trainer, the trainer asks what the breed is, they say CC. If the trainer takes their word for it, now this dog is placed into their own mental category of what a CC is, and in this instance an unstable, non-family dog.

Also, imagine this dog hurts someone, the police report puts the CC label. Now we have a "CC" on the books as hurting someone.

How dont know how it works in other states, but in Cali, if you go to the doctor because of an injury from a dog then make you fill out paperwork about the dog. a little over two years ago, a family I worked for had a australian shepherd that bite my eye open. They didn't demand the dog be put down or anything, but they sure did ask a lot of info about the dog.

then I thought what if the new owner thinks they have a CC and then decides to breed it and label those pups as CC's. When all the BSL I really dont want CC's to suffer because aggressive and unstable non CC's are receiving the CC label.

When I saw the picture I just wanted to put in my two cents that we shouldnt be calling this dog a Corso. I really hope the dog finds a new home, but lets call it what it is, a mutt.

 

[dogman#1]

yep, and lets say the person that buys it starts believing that it is not only a CC but a great example of one at that.. in a few months puppies who are also "CCs"..man does that happen alot...too often.

 

[Cody]

yep, and lets say the person that buys it starts believing that it is not only a CC but a great example of one at that.. in a few months puppies who are also "CCs"..man does that happen alot...too often.

Of course it will be bred, I mean look at it. Is 170lbs according to the ad....

 

[chuckorlando]

I would imagine the % of cc's sold verse the % breed is pretty high. So the likely hood of any cc being breed is low. I also dont think Mary is saying this is a pure cc. I think what mary is saying is your opinions dont men shit. Why? Because t aint your dog so what you call t amounts to absolutly nothing. As long as the guy who owns it calls it a cc so it will be. If it truely is dont matter to him. He pad for a pure breed cc and he will call it a cc and sale it as a cc. It was told to him it was poorly breed so he has, does, and will attribute all faults large or small to that. At the end of the day, when cash is tranfered, t will still be a poorly breed cc. If it is dont make a shit. Maybe I'm wrong, but thats what I think is being said here.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Pretty much Chuck, that guys was told it was a Corso and he doesn't care what someone says to the contrary because that is what he was told.

If you are planning to take on the role of Corso police you are going to spend a lot of time on Kijiji, Craiglist and then going to have to go to individual sites and there are still those that will be breeding dogs that people don't think they fit any standard because there are plenty of breeders that don't care what happens to a puppy once they get the $$ in their hands. There have been people trying to educate others for years, so thinking that this is something new and you are going to change the capitalist in people is naive and you will quickly end up exhausted and burned up by this Cane Corso world. Educate those that are receptive and willing to learn and know that there are those that just don't care and never will as long as the $$ keep rolling in.

I disagree, I think this guy is being honest in what this dog needs in a home and detailing what type of home, regardless of breed. There are lots of homes that currently have filas, Cane corsi and Presas, that shouldn't own goldfish but I would not say that because you only have experience with one of those breeds you aren't able to own one of the others, every individual is different in the type of dog they are able to manage. Some can barely handle a lab and some could handle a fila, corso or Presa but their life sometimes dictates that it isn't the right time for any of those breeds.

 

[Cody]

I agree, those that don't want to learn won't be able to see what is in their yard. They will do what ever it is that they want to do, that is the dog world. That doesn't mean that people have to be quiet about it or not say what is on their minds. Apathy is destroying the breed just as much as the BYB's, the BS and the politics. The question in this thread was if people think that this is a pure bred CC. My answer will be No. I do think that it is for the best that this dog is being rehomed, although chances of finding a suitable owner are slim, and my guess will be that this dog will be euthanized eventually. He may be being honest in so far as the dog needs a home, but 170lbs? Come on....

 

[jcook]

This was the first time I spoke my mind about a dog not being what someone claims it is. The reason I did that is because (1) it wasn't the owner who posted it on the forum so I knew I couldn't personally offend him. (2) it was in a CC forum. Being that it was on a CC discussion forum I figured that the people on there had a fond interest in the breed and were receptive to learning, sharing info, and discussion. I was shocked to find some members of the page defending the dogs CC status. These weren't just people who have heard of the breed, they were people who have looked at the standard, owned corsi, and I believe at least one has the desire to breed her dogs.

If people in the CC community who claim that they want the best for the breed and blah blah then why would let not only be okay will giving that mutt a CC label but actually INSIST that it was appropriate to call that dog a Corso.

I was starting to think I was crazy because I was under the impression that if a dog (any dog, not just corso) is was outside the standard and not papered then we shouldn't call it purebred. These people gave the impression that they were all about this breed and very educated. And it wasn't their dog so I didn't think they had a personal reason to say it was a CC. I totally see what you are saying about being cane Corso police Mary and I agree, some battles arnt worth fighting. But I was concerned that so called CC enthusiasts were adamant that this dog in question was a Corso.

 

[Cody]

This was the first time I spoke my mind about a dog not being what someone claims it is. The reason I did that is because (1) it wasn't the owner who posted it on the forum so I knew I couldn't personally offend him. (2) it was in a CC forum. Being that it was on a CC discussion forum I figured that the people on there had a fond interest in the breed and were receptive to learning, sharing info, and discussion. I was shocked to find some members of the page defending the dogs CC status. These weren't just people who have heard of the breed, they were people who have looked at the standard, owned corsi, and I believe at least one has the desire to breed her dogs.

If people in the CC community who claim that they want the best for the breed and blah blah then why would let not only be okay will giving that mutt a CC label but actually INSIST that it was appropriate to call that dog a Corso.

I was starting to think I was crazy because I was under the impression that if a dog (any dog, not just corso) is was outside the standard and not papered then we shouldn't call it purebred. These people gave the impression that they were all about this breed and very educated. And it wasn't their dog so I didn't think they had a personal reason to say it was a CC. I totally see what you are saying about being cane Corso police Mary and I agree, some battles arnt worth fighting. But I was concerned that so called CC enthusiasts were adamant that this dog in question was a Corso.

To be honest, although one may want to be a breeder, the people involved in the thread, for the most par,t are still very new to the breed, have not had hands on experience with dogs outside their own or IMO a real understanding of the standard. I am not trying to insult, it is what it is.

 

[cookiedough39]

Definitely not CC. Not close. Head wrong. Body wrong. Stance wrong. Muzzle wrong. Even a poorly bred corso will be on par in atleast one of these categories. I love the Corso breed. This is not purebred in any way shape or form. It is a good looking DOG though.

 

[chuckorlando]

All I can say to what it is... I would not buy that if I was buying a cc. What it is, where it came from, I dont know. Thats just from looking at the head. I aint got a clue bout whats standard but I know the kinda cc I like.