Itanhandu expo winner

[dogman#1]

lol... a 10 mth old male pup compared to a 6 month old female pup...whatever still great comparison, lol. lets compare same age and sex shall we? put up the best male that you got and Ill put up a male that didnt even place... fair enough? to tell you the truth I didnt even bother looking to hard as the male looks like an adult next to that puppy, thats how ridiculous the comparison was.

 

[dogman#1]

This would be a proper comparison,,, same sex, same age... notice something???

 

[aceoutdoor]

Breaking new Itanhandu won best dog at an Itanhandu show, in more than one category, for consecutive years. Who would have guessed? You want to address me in the opening post of your next post directly or inderectly, go for it Jackboot#1. Did you witness any other pedigree falsifications while you where there? I sure hope us taxpayers didn't fund any of that trip.

 

[Bh-k9]

Can't tell a whole lot from a video

But I see why umiri is used so much.. His attack style is one of a really serious dog. How he bows down saving energy and getting ready to spring up right at the time of threat is impressive for a fila.

Shows not only a civil dog but a thinking dog I like that. This is the fila I like as far as temp, not nervy, not defensive but civil- he's excited and happy to bite..

Question Juan- do you find that cafib is starting to breed a larger more impressive looking dog with the same temp or is it as living conditions improve and animal welfare becomes more important in the Brazils, Venezuelans, Peru's etc the dogs are just naturally improving as well?

I asked this because last few years I've liked the temp of cafib majority, and the looks of cbkc majority.. Now cafib top dogs are looking like a mix of the two.

 

[dogman#1]

Breaking news... Ace deflects yet again... more to come, lol.
This is the break down of some of the winners:
Best head: Tirano do Alto Quatis (2nd year in a row
Best Temperament: IGAPÓ DO ACANGUSSU
Best female CUBA FILA ROOTS do Canil Fila Roots.
Best Male: VERON DO ITANHANDÚ

lol... of course Itanhandu is going to post the stuff they won as they want to promote their kennel but it obviously wasnt a clean sweep... wouyld you like to deflect now or would you like me to continue making you look like a schmuck?

 

[dogman#1]

BH K-9, there are certain bloodlines that are bigger than others and always have been and as they continue to out cross with all other bloodlines they naturally gain some of their characteristics. Lets use Vulcao do ibituruna for example... biggish dog and when out crossed produces huge monsters with intense ojeriza but when he is line bred it produces very small dogs like my Cafira that I dont like and the 2012 CAFIB USA temperament champion "Rio"... tiny male with excessive temperament. This isnt new as some would have you believe... 5 years ago we had a dog over here named K.O that was about 160lbs with a head the size of a freaking beach ball... BTW Vulcao do ibituruna is the father of Umiri. You also have really big dogs that came out of Apingora do ibituruna who wasnt that big of a dog but when out crossed produced big dogs like pacara and paniel, etc. These were foundation dogs for Canil Itanhandu but they were widely used like Nagan do amparo who also produced some decent sized dogs. Now you look at dogs that are actually working in farms like Ligia's dogs and there is just no way they will get that kind of mass as they wouldnt be able to keep the weight on. IMHO as impressive as these dogs look it isnt really a great thing if they went back to working in farms they would shed all that weight or they wouldnt be able to keep up.

 

[tojvan]

Give the guy some credit, he went all the way to Brazil and got some nice pictures and videos. That's more than I can say for some of the people myself included. Dogman keep the pictures coming and post some videos as well, preferably of that female being temperament tested the one you talked about earlier,

btw does cafib encourage excessively strong OJERIZA or is there a point at which they feel it's too much?

 

[Wilrob]

It's ridiculous, you go to a show and are happy and bragging that you saw good dogs? I mean that's like going to the zoo and coming back bragging because you have pictures of a monkey...... if I was ACE I would never show you my dogs just because literally every post you make has something in it asking for pics from him, I know there are people here who have seen his dogs and man the CAFIB fanaticism is just stupid. I'll be damned if I'm gonna let a club tell me if I have a good dog or not, I'd rather think for myself. "OMG it is structurally sound, has an amazing temperament, oh wait it's black, nope not a fila" that's CAFIB for ya

 

[Wilrob]

I mean those are good looking dogs, it's just the CAFIB and the CBKC, the club fanaticism is bad for the breed imo, both groups discredit the other and will bash a good dog just because it's from the other club, dumbest shit I've ever seen, in my first post where I said I was looking for a new fila I said I don't care if it's one or the other, I just wanna see it's parents and make sure I'm not getting some soft ass weak nerved dog. I looked into itanhandu, after seeing the conditions there dogs are kept in I would never buy a dog from them, I don't agree with keeping a dog in what amounts to a jail cell its whole life.

 

[aceoutdoor]

Thanks for the honesty Wilrob and open eyes, but you can't reason with the unreasonable.

 

[Bh-k9]

I like the cafib idea I really don't think they are doing anything wrong--- I've only heard cafibians down talk cbkc when they are discussing the original purpose and structure of the breed. To now see a structurally larger dog as a champ makes me scratch my head a bit that's why I asked the question. For me I want a good looking dog with immense temp. If the dog is black, purple p, or green doesn't matter as long as the temp is correct, and I like the looks.

I've said before we work shepherds and mals in sport and in pp. I am a working line guy comparable to cafib. I hate showline shepherds and feel they are a determinate to the breed..If you are breeding a working dog that can't work then you are breeding a shell of a breed of dog with no substance.

Hats off to cafib for working dogs, showing dogs, and evaluating dogs to fit a standard they believe is correct. Hats off to cbkc for the breeders and showers that produce dogs with limited health issues and solid temp.

You work and show your dogs to show what hard work and dedication looks like. The divide in this breed is much like that in the shepherds you have one side who wants a true to the breed temp primarily and looks secondarily you have another side who wants looks as a primary goal and temp as secondary importance. Neither is really wrong per-say but individual people have to decide what direction they want to head and lean towards that type of dog for what they want.

The breed was created in Brazil so how an American can say the people that created the breed is doing something wrong is a bit of a puzzler to me..


I choose no side, I will say that the passion that every cafib person I've spoken to far exceeds what I hear from non cafib breeders. You can call a cafib person and they will talk hours upon hours with you about the filas without ever asking you if you plan on purchasing a dog. The majority of cbkc folks I've spoken to want to know if your buying a dog or not period that's it. All except awesome lady in Sacramento, awesome lady in Washington.. These ladies are cbkc that talk filas all day every day and help you in learning and training when it comes to filas and could care less if you bought a dog. I offered one of them 8,000 for a female adult and was told no! The ride and separation would be to much for the dog and she wouldn't want the dog to go through that... But these two are not the majority of cbkc folks I've spoken to but the minority.

My personal experience before anyone tries to switch my words around I said my personal experience and from what I've observed in my short six year love of the breed.

 

[aceoutdoor]

BH-K9 Nothing at all wrong with sharing your experiences. Cafib dogs in general have gotten somewhat larger in recent years. Not all, but many. There are still Cafib dogs I have seen below the minimum standard weight as well. But the trend is going towards dogs with better structure, which is good, but I believe it is market driven in large because old school Cafib people would tell you some of these new dogs are incorrect. I also believe anyone who does not breed straight Cafib blood automatically gets lumped into the CBKC category which is not true at all. Many of us have blood from both types just want nothing to do with Cafib. If I knew you we could talk all day, preferably in person. If I don't know you I won't be spending hours on the phone with you and that has nothing to do with lack of passion for the breed. But you are right there are many, on both sides in it for the money.

 

[angelbears]

According to CAFIB's standard what is the weight requirements? The last I saw was 50kg

 

[aceoutdoor]

Males "Around" 50kg, females 40kg. FCI standard those are minimums.

 

[angelbears]

How big are the dogs in the pics?

 

[aceoutdoor]

Not sure on weight but Veron and puppy Kratos(pictures and video were taken from Itanhandu) are above minimum standard for sure. The puppy Kratos looks good.

 

[tojvan]

I like the cafib idea I really don't think they are doing anything wrong--- I've only heard cafibians down talk cbkc when they are discussing the original purpose and structure of the breed. To now see a structurally larger dog as a champ makes me scratch my head a bit that's why I asked the question. For me I want a good looking dog with immense temp. If the dog is black, purple p, or green doesn't matter as long as the temp is correct, and I like the looks.

I've said before we work shepherds and mals in sport and in pp. I am a working line guy comparable to cafib. I hate showline shepherds and feel they are a determinate to the breed..If you are breeding a working dog that can't work then you are breeding a shell of a breed of dog with no substance.

Hats off to cafib for working dogs, showing dogs, and evaluating dogs to fit a standard they believe is correct. Hats off to cbkc for the breeders and showers that produce dogs with limited health issues and solid temp.

You work and show your dogs to show what hard work and dedication looks like. The divide in this breed is much like that in the shepherds you have one side who wants a true to the breed temp primarily and looks secondarily you have another side who wants looks as a primary goal and temp as secondary importance. Neither is really wrong per-say but individual people have to decide what direction they want to head and lean towards that type of dog for what they want.

The breed was created in Brazil so how an American can say the people that created the breed is doing something wrong is a bit of a puzzler to me..


I choose no side, I will say that the passion that every cafib person I've spoken to far exceeds what I hear from non cafib breeders. You can call a cafib person and they will talk hours upon hours with you about the filas without ever asking you if you plan on purchasing a dog. The majority of cbkc folks I've spoken to want to know if your buying a dog or not period that's it. All except awesome lady in Sacramento, awesome lady in Washington.. These ladies are cbkc that talk filas all day every day and help you in learning and training when it comes to filas and could care less if you bought a dog. I offered one of them 8,000 for a female adult and was told no! The ride and separation would be to much for the dog and she wouldn't want the dog to go through that... But these two are not the majority of cbkc folks I've spoken to but the minority.

My personal experience before anyone tries to switch my words around I said my personal experience and from what I've observed in my short six year love of the breed.

I agree with you, in my opinion cafib as an organization is better put together than CBKC. The more choices there are the better it is for the consumer.

 

[dogman#1]

Veron is about 150lbs but id say less than 160. The biggest Fila I have ever seen was 160....he was insane.

Wil, I guess you have not seen Ace post pics of CAFIB dogs and laugh at them with his lackeys... I just want to be in on the joke as well. I want to see wtf is so funny... obviously Ace has some hidden gems compared to CAFIB dogs and I want to look at them in awe as well and when he posts these magnificent yet mystical beasts I will be a CAFIB hater as well. Another words until he posts pics of his dogs he shouldnt have anything to say about anyone else's dogs... make sense?

 

[dogman#1]

Here is about the only pic I got of the red bitch I loved, lol. I just kept staring and forgot I had a camera. Not sure if I got a video of her because I stated before it was dark as hell and all the videos are dark and grainy so it is difficult to see which dog it even was.

 

[angelbears]

How does Cafib explain breeding for the larger size? I thought it was all about preserving the real Fila? Why breed for the larger dogs when obviously that is not what Cruz saw on his 2nd trip to observe the farm dogs of Brazil.