Itanhandu expo winner

[aceoutdoor]

AHAHAHA That dog is like "Oh.....were doing this again, yawn".

 

[chuckorlando]

ahahahahahah

 

[Wilrob]

Chuck are there any pics of your Kona on here? From lurking before I started posting and since then you have a blackie right? Know not many here have them so was just curious of I could see a pic?

 

[chuckorlando]

Oh theres a ton of pics on here. I can take some tomorrow and start a thread if you want. I got a few vids I'll post. I might have some new pics

 

[Wilrob]

Yeah that would be cool

 

[dogman#1]

My question with dogs trained like this, what happens when your not there to give the attack command and he needs to stop a threat? I don't have as much knowledge on the Filas as most of you, but for some reason this just seems to me like you've broke his spirit.

What happens you ask?

https://www.facebook.com/AlamedaCountySchutzhundClub/posts/196594173746622

This is what happens.

 

[dogman#1]

Here are a TON of pictures from the show in a tight lil video.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=844093698953256

 

[Wilrob]

What happens you ask?

https://www.facebook.com/AlamedaCountySchutzhundClub/posts/196594173746622

This is what happens.

That's crazy, all that training, sleeve work, all that for someone to come steal him. That's kinda what I figured would happen, your not their to give the guard/attack command so the dog is friendly. I'm not saying this would be the case with all dogs in Schutz, etc but I would much rather have a Fila that is a natural guardian.

 

[Bh-k9]

The problems is sports people are breeding for extremes.. Extreme prey drive.. Looks great on the field--the dog hits the decoy like a truck ,will do the best obedience for a ball... but is loyal only to a ball or tug toy. The dog will die for a ball not his owner.

Sch, ipo, ring dogs, etc originally were bred balanced 50:50 prey:defense now it's almost all prey with a bit of prey aggression/ possevines for the prey. I've taken pd dogs out of the squad car with a ball on a string. I've walked into working dog kennels and took dogs out of the kennel with a tug toy. All of. The owners said I could never do this.... It's sad and a battle I'm fighting everyday trying to persevere the breeding and workability of a balanced dog.

 

[angelbears]

Do you have any vids of you working your dogs? We would love to see them. Do you have a website?

 

[Bh-k9]

How many of you are training your dogs food refusal?

You can have the best dog in the world but if it isn't trained only to eat food out of a food dish followed by a que by you to "eat" then a dead dog won't protect much.

All my dogs are trained to

1.wait for a que before they can eat
2. Not eat anything that is on the ground
3.only except treats from myself or close family
4. Associate food from anyone else in the world as a threat

This sucks if you are going on a vacation, but keeps dogs alive.

Richmond pd lost a good k9 to a poisoned meat ball, his handler didn't listen to us when we said he should teach food refusal- fast forward 14 months later and his partner is gone forever......

It's amazing how many people who claim to have a guard dog, protection dog, etc don't take the time to make sure the dog can live long enough to do what they claim it can do....

 

[Bh-k9]

We have a lot of vids, no website or facebook, or Instagram, etc lol not into social networking but will more than likely create one soon as well as a YouTube channel.

We don't do this for profit we are just a small club that does this for the competition and fun

 

[Wilrob]

BH where are you located? Just curious

 

[dogman#1]

The problems is sports people are breeding for extremes.. Extreme prey drive.. Looks great on the field--the dog hits the decoy like a truck ,will do the best obedience for a ball... but is loyal only to a ball or tug toy. The dog will die for a ball not his owner.

Sch, ipo, ring dogs, etc originally were bred balanced 50:50 prey:defense now it's almost all prey with a bit of prey aggression/ possevines for the prey. I've taken pd dogs out of the squad car with a ball on a string. I've walked into working dog kennels and took dogs out of the kennel with a tug toy. All of. The owners said I could never do this.... It's sad and a battle I'm fighting everyday trying to persevere the breeding and workability of a balanced dog.

correct! and if you even think of bringing a dog with some defense drive to the field they all turn their nose up and say the dog is a bag of nerves... lol. why? because it is serious and doesnt think its a game?

 

[fila4me]

How many of you are training your dogs food refusal?

You can have the best dog in the world but if it isn't trained only to eat food out of a food dish followed by a que by you to "eat" then a dead dog won't protect much.

All my dogs are trained to

1.wait for a que before they can eat
2. Not eat anything that is on the ground
3.only except treats from myself or close family
4. Associate food from anyone else in the world as a threat

This sucks if you are going on a vacation, but keeps dogs alive.

Richmond pd lost a good k9 to a poisoned meat ball, his handler didn't listen to us when we said he should teach food refusal- fast forward 14 months later and his partner is gone forever......

It's amazing how many people who claim to have a guard dog, protection dog, etc don't take the time to make sure the dog can live long enough to do what they claim it can do....

my original Fila breeder was also a trainer plus ex military in Hungary,he pounded this in our heads from day one. my 1st Dogo would take a treat from someone else and then turn his head and spit it on the floor, lol. I always teased he was a womanizer, as he only did this with women. If a man tried to give him a treat he flat out refused.

 

[alejandro]

I'll love to ear about how you train fod refusal on your dogs, your experience or what to look for on a trainer who might help with it since i been wondering if i could train my dog to do it.

 

[Bh-k9]

BH where are you located? Just curious

Oakland, ca

 

[Bh-k9]

correct! and if you even think of bringing a dog with some defense drive to the field they all turn their nose up and say the dog is a bag of nerves... lol. why? because it is serious and doesnt think its a game?

Yup, that and most "trainers" only know how to work a dog in prey--- they have no idea how to work through and with defensive drives.

You tell them work with what the dog has and bring out what you need, you can work with defense to bring out prey but you have to know how to do it... They would rather deem the dog as unsuitable for work and go on to the prey monsters that live and die for a ball first the human last

 

[Bh-k9]

my original Fila breeder was also a trainer plus ex military in Hungary,he pounded this in our heads from day one. my 1st Dogo would take a treat from someone else and then turn his head and spit it on the floor, lol. I always teased he was a womanizer, as he only did this with women. If a man tried to give him a treat he flat out refused.

God bless that trainer! So many good dogs die from poisoning it's a shame

 

[Bh-k9]

I'll love to ear about how you train fod refusal on your dogs, your experience or what to look for on a trainer who might help with it since i been wondering if i could train my dog to do it.

It's easy, really easy,almost as easy as teaching a dog to sit.

What breed of dog are you trying to teach this to, and a brief description of your dog? Loves food, balls,affection? How's the temp, etc

We can work out a plan for your dog,because no one method works for every dog despite what you might hear.