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Help! Problem with my mastiff

marke

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If you are afraid of your dog you shouldn't have one. A trainer isn't going to help with that. So many ppl want things done for them. Dogs don't need a passive, fearful, anxious, lovey dovey owner. They need leadership. Their are books on that too. So much is right there in front of people's faces. To learn, to read, to watch to implement. And it's free. Don't wait til u realize you can't do it and then hire someone to come clean up your mess. Get your act together first. So many ppl go to trainers. Think they are saved. Get home and it keeps happening. The home is unstable. The owners are unstable. The dogs suffer. It's sad.


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i'm sure they don't start out afraid of their puppies , it gradually gets to that point as the dogs mature ........ I assure you the only Spanish mastiff I have ever known would have put some fear into you .... thankfully he was a good boy , had he had the temperament of some American bulldogs I've known , you'd want be carrying a gun ..... do you think the woman in the video Hector put up would be capable of training that dog by herself ?????? I believe the original poster does the necessary work to get a handle on the dog , they'll most likely be fine , and learn a lot about dogs ....... how many dogs , and what kind have you had ?? have you ever had one come after you ????? i know of professionally raised/trained dogs that have gone up the leash after their owners ????? you ?????
 

season

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i'm sure they don't start out afraid of their puppies , it gradually gets to that point as the dogs mature ........ I assure you the only Spanish mastiff I have ever known would have put some fear into you .... thankfully he was a good boy , had he had the temperament of some American bulldogs I've known , you'd want be carrying a gun ..... do you think the woman in the video Hector put up would be capable of training that dog by herself ?????? I believe the original poster does the necessary work to get a handle on the dog , they'll most likely be fine , and learn a lot about dogs ....... how many dogs , and what kind have you had ?? have you ever had one come after you ????? i know of professionally raised/trained dogs that have gone up the leash after their owners ????? you ?????

I'd never be afraid of any dog I own and am in charge of. Some ppl should just get a cat or fish.


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glen

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Angelbears....you really are my sort of person,
Season.you sound like you are doing great with your dog, but some people cannot read a book or watch a video and take it in properly, you could get 10 people to watch a training method and half could do it wrong and that could lead to more issues.I applaud anyone getting outside help if needed its not a failure it shows how committed they are.and in a way that's what you have done but just not paid for it so lets not pull people down for doing the same.
 

Rugers-Kris

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LMAO! I adore you, AB!! OP, don't pay mind to Season, otherwise you have gotten some good advice. I think hiring a trainer is a great idea. Sounds like you have lost your confidence when it comes to your dog and a trainer will be able to help you get that back. Good Luck and keep us posted as to how it is going.


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season

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No one can help you get your confidence except you. Confidence, like happiness can't be bought. No one can give it to you. That's 100% your responsibility.


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marke

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No one can help you get your confidence except you. Confidence, like happiness can't be bought. No one can give it to you. That's 100% your responsibility.


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confidence comes from repeated positive experiences , lack of confidence comes from repeated negative experiences .......... someone other than you can help you with your confidence ....sometimes you just need brought back to start again and brought along with better care ...... how many dogs have you had , and what kind ?????? I was thinking if I wouldn't have owned about 4 dogs I have owned , possibly i'd feel the way you do ....... I doubt you've had many dogs , cause if you did i'd think you'd have run across at least one that'd alter your perspective .......
 

Lisa P

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I suggest everyone block season! His comments are not helpful at all ,he's like a broken record!! People come here for help and he tells the they're idiots.

My suggestion for your dog is more exercise and training,going out only twice a day is not enough stimulation for an active ,intelligent dog.You need to re-establish who is in charge,training classes are great for that.
Good luck!
 

TWW

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No one can help you get your confidence except you. Confidence, like happiness can't be bought. No one can give it to you. That's 100% your responsibility.


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Season please quit with the BS. Should people just dump there dogs rather than fixing the issues which need fixed?

Please give me some training tips, it's approaching 30 years of having EM's or Saint's 35 of them in my life.
And please don't go the insult route because, I can make AB look like your dream post.
Sorry but a dog should be a extension of you and you should help it and it help you. A trainer or behaviorist will some times shed light on issues people may have with there pet.

Hell come train my dog, because he will look at anyone giving him a command past me and wife like there retarded.
I'm me, better questions are who's dog was it first? If it was his then he never bonded with it. I would be inclined to then it was his partners, so the bonding could be part of it.
 

sidecar

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I'm pretty new to this forum, but it seems to me that some genuine concerns were addressed here with some really good advice. Almost all responses were given in the spirit of good will, except for 1 person. I'm a member of a good number of forums of all types, and it seem to me that all have that 1 person who truly has a tone of superiority and condescension in almost all that he contributes(??). I've found it best to ignore those people and let them wallow in their superiority. I hope that you can do that and follow some of the more informative responses to your original post. Good luck!
 

Bob Felts

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We are first time Mastiff owners. Our EM was quite a challenge for us at first. We found a good obedience school, went through the puppy class. In addition, our trainer worked with us doing private lessons. She identified what WE were doing wrong, and we corrected our approach. At 5 months, Thane is a wonderful dog. And we now have the tools to continue to do right by him. He is absolutely a member of the family. Eager to please, loves his family. If something new comes up that is a challenge, we will call our trainer and learn how to work it out. No big deal Our trainer trains us. We train our dog. Nothing wrong if we do 't know everything "dog" there is ro know. We have people that can teach us. And all this makes Thane a better home and him a better family member. Where's the harm?
 

Bob Felts

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One thing I forgot to mention. We got a ton of good solid advice right here on this forum. You'll find a lot of smart well experienced owners here. Ask, they'll help if they can.
 

gilles

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mastiffcouple: i think you got lots of good advice and ideas, implementing them could not be very easy...and you have a spanish mastiff which is a very serious dog so please take all the good advice given here and do your best .. if you need a trainer to help you go ahead and get one, a good trainer will not train your dog , he will train you how to train your dog and gain his confidence...so whatever it takes you need to start acting now.
 

Liz_M

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I grew up with working Border collies and had a lot of experience with dogs all my life but in my mid-30s, twenty-plus years ago, I had on my hands a fear-aggressive GSDx rescue that I had no idea how to handle because I'd never dealt with the issue before. She was fine with me always and I've never lacked confidence with any dog, but I was at the time not sure how to help this dog. After she attacked my neighbor, I was on the verge of having her put down, but my vet suggested a really good trainer (they were not common then, and the internet was in its infancy) and he provided my knowledge and insight and techniques to help her handle stress and be safe. It wasn't confidence or "leadership skills" I needed with that dog because I already had that; it was insight and a deeper understanding of what was going on with her. I got that now and I'm thankful.

Seriously, this guy saved that dog and she lived a full and wonderful life with me for another 12 years, and I learned a lot both from that trainer and from my dog. None of us were born with an innate capacity to deal with problems our dogs might have and sometimes we need help! So we learn, and we pass it on and help when we can. Easy dogs are easy but we don't learn much from them. It's the problem dogs we learn from (sometimes with help and insight from other people) if we are smart and reach out when we need to.
 

Nik

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I am a fan of using a good professional trainer. I have always done this and it is always a good resource for new questions, a good bonding experience for my dog and me, a way to be always held accountable by an outsider, and a great sanity check during the tougher stages. I've done this for several dogs and while I have the tools to train many behaviors without a trainer (and do so) I still find the classes extremely helpful and I really enjoy them and get excited about new classes when I find them. And yes I YouTube and read and go on forums and do all the work on my own too.

I don't believe there is any such thing as too many resources, too much help or too much training. The more the better.

So ya my advise is also find a good trainer. It will help. You will get the tools you need and the support system you need to rebuild that bond and your confidence in each other and you might even find that working together on your class work for obedience is a fun team experience for you and your dog :)


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TWW

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I grew up with working Border collies and had a lot of experience with dogs all my life but in my mid-30s, twenty-plus years ago, I had on my hands a fear-aggressive GSDx rescue that I had no idea how to handle because I'd never dealt with the issue before. She was fine with me always and I've never lacked confidence with any dog, but I was at the time not sure how to help this dog. After she attacked my neighbor, I was on the verge of having her put down, but my vet suggested a really good trainer (they were not common then, and the internet was in its infancy) and he provided my knowledge and insight and techniques to help her handle stress and be safe. It wasn't confidence or "leadership skills" I needed with that dog because I already had that; it was insight and a deeper understanding of what was going on with her. I got that now and I'm thankful.

Seriously, this guy saved that dog and she lived a full and wonderful life with me for another 12 years, and I learned a lot both from that trainer and from my dog. None of us were born with an innate capacity to deal with problems our dogs might have and sometimes we need help! So we learn, and we pass it on and help when we can. Easy dogs are easy but we don't learn much from them. It's the problem dogs we learn from (sometimes with help and insight from other people) if we are smart and reach out when we need to.
Great post and very insightful. I feel that some think that the only thing required is to be confident, which while yes going a long way, it does not way addresses all matter in raising or owning a dog.
 

season

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Ha. I haven't insulted anyone or called anyone an idiot. Some should spend less time getting offended by my opinions and more time handling your own business. I don't attack ppl. I don't swear. I just offer opinions and advice. Maybe it doesn't match with some of the cuddly freely types but I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone on here. If you don't like what I say then stop quoting me and commenting. Spend your energy at something or someone else.


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season

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And as I've said and will say again. Go ahead and hire all the trainers you want. Hire Dr. Phil too. The bottom line is in the end it's 100% your responsibility. No one is going to save you except yourself.


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Ginurse

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And as I've said and will say again. Go ahead and hire all the trainers you want. Hire Dr. Phil too. The bottom line is in the end it's 100% your responsibility. No one is going to save you except yourself.


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The problem with the above post, is that you never give any real advice? Your posts are a bit smug and self-important. Good for you that you have things all figured out. The people who come to this forum asking for advice, are looking for help, not some smug talking down to. Why not share your wealth of knowledge: it would be much more appreciated than the judgmental tone of your posts. JMHO.
 

season

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I've given plenty of advice. Some specific and some more general. Ive also had plenty of ppl thank me for that. I'm not here to make friends or shoot smoke up ppl behinds. I don't curse. I don't attack. I don't name call like some do in response to my words. As I've said many times, I'm not in charge of ppl's emotions. My advice to those that don't like what I say is to just ignore me and move along. Like dog training, that's not rocket science either. Change it. Accept it or ignore it. All else is pointless. I'm not perfect. I never claim to be. I do what I do. It works for me and my dogs and it always has. I also don't spend my day worrying about what others think. This is a public forum. I'm entitled to my opinions and words just like everyone else on here. I'm also in control of what I choose to reply to or ignore.


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