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grazefull1

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Can anyone tell me their so called CORRECT standard which to judge a Corsi by? The FCI standard seems to have alot of varience.

lol beats me lol in different place around the world certain looks r more valued its just to confusing to me, like u i look for what fits me best(make sense since the dog will live with me n dont get me wrong i want to b sure im going a healthy n good temp dog) so it in the eye of the beholder lol, n if u notice the cc breed seen to b changing trend (fci, iccf, akc, n so on .....) what is standard today may not b in 10yrs (GSD is an example :()so i dont know (sorry i cant answer your question)
 
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grazefull1

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http://www.corsodimunteanu.com/about-cane-corso/comments-to-the-standard[/QUOTE

wow lol thats y im not a breeder/shower lol i thought fci was more in detail than akc, any way can i steal this link, but there were changes to fit iccf/standard of cc 2003 (i guess to improve icf to better make sense of the stardards)
also is the standard of cc 2003 the most up to date standards to follow? cus we all know there to many so call standards online n like i said it just confues me
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and at some point in time the smaller cc were more valued than the larger one so with that said the larger cc are starting to be valued so the standard was changed n with akc it say something like weight should b paporition to height ( no actuclly number)

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Cody

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The original FCI standard written by Dr Morisani is much different from the current 343 standard of today.
The original standard accepted all 3 bites, reverse scissor preferred, level and scissor accepted as long as the parameters of the head are correct, the current 343 the scissor bite is a severe fault. The AKC Standard has removed the weight and returned all 3 bites. The weight standard is being fought on Europe, when FCI judges come here they tend to put up larger dogs. All the historical writings in regards to the Corso speak of large dogs. When looking at the history one must take I to account the socio economics of the region, meaning what dogs are being fed DOES have an impact on their weight.
The image of the dog is Basir, that is who the standard is based on. Personally I preferred his brother Bulan ;) but if you notice things like the moderate angulation, perfect for moving, jumping less prone to ACL issues, proper shoulder lay, less energy for a farther reach you will see the dog is made for movement. As all current standards portray...
@ Cane Corso, lol. Biased huh? You have no idea.
So dogs that I post do not do it for you as far as Corso are concerned?
That is fine, to each their own. Tell me how many Corso have you actually seen in person?
Just curious. Also why do you take it so personally? I am not referring to you when I speak of the breed, sorry but I have spent countless hours, and I mean in the thousands now, speaking to breeders around the world, studying lines meeting dogs... I have driven across he continent 2 x,I mean driving 6000 miles in 7 days to attend Nationals, met the 1st Schutzhund 3 Corso, seen MULTIPLE CC of various kennels, including Amore, to form my opinions. This breed is more then a hobby to my family, but a passion tha w base our lives and holidays around.
So how do I know the lines of my dogs?
My bitch comes from OLD Italian lines, her dam impregnated in Italy and shipped. I have me an spent time with the entire litter and Dam.
My male is a combo of Italian with a dash of Am.
I can go back pretty far talking to my breeder and the breeders of the ancestors of my dogs. As far as what is in there, lol, glorified bandogs, but no boxer, BM or Rotties in the past 7- 8 gen pedigree :p that is really all you can ask in the Corso LMAO
What has my breeder accomplished, well a well rounded kennel. In 2 litters has produced multiple show Ch, GCH, a top 5 in North America, numerous therapy dogs, an IPO BH (so far) and a few Rally and OB titles, hopefully some weight pull soon. And most importantly beloved family pets/home guardians. All with proper type and temperament, and good results as far as health testing.
I know what they are, their siblings,the dam. Having met the majority of them.
So you take my post personally? The Corso is not supposed to have a retracted nose,round buggy eyes, Tne severe convergence of the boxer, pinched nostrils, small bone... Look at Cheno for example. The prototype of the hyper type Corso. He won the World dog show 3x... Sent the CC in Europe in a downwards spiral that they are now just digging out of.
It is common knowledge the addition of the Boxer and BM in some lines for American Buyers. Italian breeders have admitted to it, laughed at it... To deny it is just absurd, when in some dogs it is so apparent it is smacking you in the face.
So,the Corso I have posted do not illicit an emotional response? That is fine, they are correct Corso. Please tell me which dogs do do that for you? And how many you have seen in person please. I am VERY curious to know what you consider true Corso type.
Oh and just so you know the large majority of the dogs I have posted here are NOT show Corso,but dogs living on farms in Manefredi Italy doing what they have been bred to do by families for the past 50+ years. Long before any of us knew what a CC was... But you ate probably right, after all you did watch a video on you tube.
Sorry if you take offense,but really... Get out and MEET some dogs, talk to a variety of breeders. You are forming opinions based on biased info that is detrimental to the breec IMO, the split has not yet been made and the more people tha push it, yes you are pushing it by the insistance that it is there, is going to be our downfall. A TRUE Corso should go from one to another and excell in both. But to say that "show lines" can't compete in the working venue is a testament of ignorance I this breed at this point.
Amore had a couple titles, so do MANY "show" kennels, before you get on the divide KicK please get out and meet some of both.
Did you ever get out to meet Jessica BTW, I am curious since you are so close and had an interest in the Neo prior, did you make the drive out to meet her dogs?
 
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grazefull1

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I will admit this take me by supprise lol but ive learn something but this only scares me more that the cc will soon be split because most so call breeders/showers still go by the old fci standard n seem to dislike the new fci lol n the other way around only trying to prove which is better i hope u can understand y a calmmer like me would be thrown for a loop lol it alot to take in it seens like people already kinda have different mind set on the breed n people like me r caught in the middle lol with know idea what to think lol:( i cant tell u how anytimes ive been told my cc is too big to b a pure cc r it face should look different lol:lolbangtable:

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So anyway that y i love this site i learn alittle most each time i sign in lol
 
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Duetsche_Doggen

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A standard is not just something to "go by", its the direct result of Breeding True. When two animals produce offspring of the same phenotype exclusively. If you don't recognize the standard of a dog there is no reason for breeds. Without Breeding True (standard) dogs would assentinaly be mutts. No telling how they would look, act, health problems etc....

and once a dog breeds true, it HAS a standard wether it's recognized or not.

All dogs are pretty much "mutts" no matter how "purebred" they are. Dogs that fit the specific traits for said job were breed others were not. Remember people did not always have breed "standards" but its was pretty obvious to tell one breed from another.

A standard is that a GUIDE for said breed(s).

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kevinmuaythai

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I will admit this take me by supprise lol but ive learn something but this only scares me more that the cc will soon be split because most so call breeders/showers still go by the old fci standard n seem to dislike the new fci lol n the other way around only trying to prove which is better i hope u can understand y a calmmer like me would be thrown for a loop lol it alot to take in it seens like people already kinda have different mind set on the breed n people like me r caught in the middle lol with know idea what to think lol:( i cant tell u how anytimes ive been told my cc is too big to b a pure cc r it face should look different lol:lolbangtable:

I rarely hear of people going by FCI, At shows here in cali we tend to go by "ICCF" and weight shouldn't matter, As it says in every corso standard that the dogs weight should be athletic and relevant to its height. Which gives way for bigger dogs(being they're still in shape and athletic) . Even though many historys of the Corsi , mention it being smaller actually now, However when I was about 16 and first got in to the Corso it seemed americans wanted 140 lb males while italians wanted 115 lb males...maybe i'm remembering this wrong. But somewhere along the lines the American dogs became bigger, which is why many breeders now breed american dogs to italian. From what I gather from talking to breeders, and reading,
 

grazefull1

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lol here in philly its a war about size lol my husband has knew about cc before we were married 9yrs ago from what he told me he said there smaller and, everytime i look up breeders for show r work must of than always say smaller cc r more athletic n even put down the larger size cc :((not including 150 n up) its kinda funny that i would have to put in my search large size cc n even with the i get lots of standard links lol say under 120 :lolbangtable:
 

CaneCorso

Well-Known Member
The original FCI standard written by Dr Morisani is much different from the current 343 standard of today.
The original standard accepted all 3 bites, reverse scissor preferred, level and scissor accepted as long as the parameters of the head are correct, the current 343 the scissor bite is a severe fault. The AKC Standard has removed the weight and returned all 3 bites. The weight standard is being fought on Europe, when FCI judges come here they tend to put up larger dogs. All the historical writings in regards to the Corso speak of large dogs. When looking at the history one must take I to account the socio economics of the region, meaning what dogs are being fed DOES have an impact on their weight.
The image of the dog is Basir, that is who the standard is based on. Personally I preferred his brother Bulan ;) but if you notice things like the moderate angulation, perfect for moving, jumping less prone to ACL issues, proper shoulder lay, less energy for a farther reach you will see the dog is made for movement. As all current standards portray...
@ Cane Corso, lol. Biased huh? You have no idea.
So dogs that I post do not do it for you as far as Corso are concerned?
That is fine, to each their own. Tell me how many Corso have you actually seen in person?
Just curious. Also why do you take it so personally? I am not referring to you when I speak of the breed, sorry but I have spent countless hours, and I mean in the thousands now, speaking to breeders around the world, studying lines meeting dogs... I have driven across he continent 2 x,I mean driving 6000 miles in 7 days to attend Nationals, met the 1st Schutzhund 3 Corso, seen MULTIPLE CC of various kennels, including Amore, to form my opinions. This breed is more then a hobby to my family, but a passion tha w base our lives and holidays around.
So how do I know the lines of my dogs?
My bitch comes from OLD Italian lines, her dam impregnated in Italy and shipped. I have me an spent time with the entire litter and Dam.
My male is a combo of Italian with a dash of Am.
I can go back pretty far talking to my breeder and the breeders of the ancestors of my dogs. As far as what is in there, lol, glorified bandogs, but no boxer, BM or Rotties in the past 7- 8 gen pedigree :p that is really all you can ask in the Corso LMAO
What has my breeder accomplished, well a well rounded kennel. In 2 litters has produced multiple show Ch, GCH, a top 5 in North America, numerous therapy dogs, an IPO BH (so far) and a few Rally and OB titles, hopefully some weight pull soon. And most importantly beloved family pets/home guardians. All with proper type and temperament, and good results as far as health testing.
I know what they are, their siblings,the dam. Having met the majority of them.
So you take my post personally? The Corso is not supposed to have a retracted nose,round buggy eyes, Tne severe convergence of the boxer, pinched nostrils, small bone... Look at Cheno for example. The prototype of the hyper type Corso. He won the World dog show 3x... Sent the CC in Europe in a downwards spiral that they are now just digging out of.
It is common knowledge the addition of the Boxer and BM in some lines for American Buyers. Italian breeders have admitted to it, laughed at it... To deny it is just absurd, when in some dogs it is so apparent it is smacking you in the face.
So,the Corso I have posted do not illicit an emotional response? That is fine, they are correct Corso. Please tell me which dogs do do that for you? And how many you have seen in person please. I am VERY curious to know what you consider true Corso type.
Oh and just so you know the large majority of the dogs I have posted here are NOT show Corso,but dogs living on farms in Manefredi Italy doing what they have been bred to do by families for the past 50+ years. Long before any of us knew what a CC was... But you ate probably right, after all you did watch a video on you tube.
Sorry if you take offense,but really... Get out and MEET some dogs, talk to a variety of breeders. You are forming opinions based on biased info that is detrimental to the breec IMO, the split has not yet been made and the more people tha push it, yes you are pushing it by the insistance that it is there, is going to be our downfall. A TRUE Corso should go from one to another and excell in both. But to say that "show lines" can't compete in the working venue is a testament of ignorance I this breed at this point.
Amore had a couple titles, so do MANY "show" kennels, before you get on the divide KicK please get out and meet some of both.
Did you ever get out to meet Jessica BTW, I am curious since you are so close and had an interest in the Neo prior, did you make the drive out to meet her dogs?
Sounds like things are getting a little personal. I've read every one of your posts. Have you read mine? If so, there would be no need to re- ask all the same questions I've already answered. What dogs do I prefer, which ones illict emotion from me? I've listed several kennels who have dogs that I prefer. Do you remember( I'm considering Rivale, Amore,Apex,and Bodyguard.) As far as speaking to breeders, and meeting them that will come in time. I'm not ready for a CC as I don't have a fully fenced in yard, the house I live in is fairly small, I have a small dog aggressive 8 year old JRT and I don't feel it would be fair to him or the new Corsi puppy to have them together in such a small house without seperating them constantly. How many Corsi have I seen in person I've already mentioned this twice, but I have no problem repeating it again. I HAVE NEVER MET A CORSI IN REAL LIFE YET! I believe that is the fourth time I've said that. I haven't spoken to any breeders yet. Most of the Corsi breeders in my area I'm not interested in their dogs, I will speak to the breeders of my choice, and visit some of them when I'm closer to getting my pup. Yes, I did meet Jessica and a couple of her dogs, I even posted about it. Just curious, what does that have to do with anything? (this is kind of like how this "CC weight debate started") You want to go back to talking about Neos? You've never answered my other question in my last post, do you think my choice of Corsi resembles a Boxer? Because overall I just don't see it .
 

masteneo

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ok since you guys hijacked my window shopping thread for Neos , then i am going to start talking about poodles
 

CaneCorso

Well-Known Member
ok since you guys hijacked my window shopping thread for Neos , then i am going to start talking about poodles
LOL, at this point that might be a more productive conversation. Which do you prefer tee cup or standard? I myself like the standard size more LOl.
 

grazefull1

Well-Known Member
ok since you guys hijacked my window shopping thread for Neos , then i am going to start talking about poodles

:lolbangtable:well i like the larger poodles (standard) n my favorite color is black n i like the uncut or the short cut all around (not the dump cuts)
http://www.bijoupoodles.com/Dreams.html
http://www.royalstandardpoodles.com/royalstandardpoodle-giantthor.html

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n i like the work poodles even more lolol

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neomama

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I'm glad you did not breed to an unhealthy stud. You can make alot of money slangin rocks aswell LOL, but you still shouldn't do it. If you don't mind me asking have you OFA or Pennhip tested your bitch? If so what were the results? I'm sorry if I come off disrespectful , don't mean to be. I'm just disgusted by neo breeders as a whole. Do you know how many Neapolitan mastiffs are rated atleast OFA good? Or the answer to my other question I asked what is the average life span of the neos being bred today? How do you feel about that 47% of neos OFA tested positive for hip displaysia? Were you aware of those results before breeding neos? If so, what made you choose to breed this health problem infested breed? Also what type of health guarantee do you offer with your pups? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just truely curious.


I do test my dogs, she has her heart, eyes and hips tested all turned out good, this problem with the age of how long the neo's live
cannot be solved over night it will take many years of good breeding to solve this. All my pups come with a health guarantee for
heart and hips. When you have your neo's hips tested it needs to be done by someone that knows neo's, their bones are so lax
that it may look bad, that is why the pennhip test is the best.
My bitch's mom is 6 years and her dad is 5 and they are both still going strong, eventually, with good breeding we will have the proper neo
that lives 9 or 10 years. It will take time.
 

CaneCorso

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I do test my dogs, she has her heart, eyes and hips tested all turned out good, this problem with the age of how long the neo's live
cannot be solved over night it will take many years of good breeding to solve this. All my pups come with a health guarantee for
heart and hips. When you have your neo's hips tested it needs to be done by someone that knows neo's, their bones are so lax
that it may look bad, that is why the pennhip test is the best.
My bitch's mom is 6 years and her dad is 5 and they are both still going strong, eventually, with good breeding we will have the proper neo
that lives 9 or 10 years. It will take time.
That's good to hear Neomama! I truley respect all breeders (of any breed) who do proper health testing and strive to better their breed.(regardless if they breed for show or work,or both!) You're right that will take alot of time, and ALOT more breeders striving to do the same. My appoligies for assuming the age of your stud you used. ( Amazing Love should post the DOB s of their dogs.) You her and Jessica seem to be breeding for a better more fuctional Neo that still remains true to the "type" of the Neo. I have One question, you've mentioned the your female had a guarding instinct, "had the temp of the older neo, have you ever considered haveing her temp tested? What about Amazing Love? How are their dogs' temps? Has their owner ever considered contacting a trainer and evaluating temp for PP work? I feel it would also be a benificail thing if you are breeding towards the "old working neos"? Just an opinion. If you ever do, make sure and take video of it. I always love watching dogs doing what they were bred for.
 
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Duetsche_Doggen

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Neo's right not do not have a long life span, that is what responsiable breeders are
trying to fix! Lisa from Amazing Love, myself and other breeders are very picky about
the bitches and dogs we breed to. We get critizied because if someone wants to breed
their dog or bitch to one of ours and we do our reasearch and find something in the line we
do not like we will refuse. We are breeding for health, strong bones, good heart, longjevity.
A couple different breeders wanted me to breed Alliseaa to their dog but I refused because
1 dog had a very poor rear end, the other was a champion and very well known neo that people
brag because they have a pup out of this dog, BUT this dog died at age 5 from a stroke, and his
dad died of a stroke, sure I could have gotten alot of money out of these pups BUT I do not want
that in my breeding program.
Alliseaa is very sound, she runs and plays with the St Poodles for hours, Neo's were breed to be
guard dogs, Alliseaa does NOT just put on a show, sure she is a show dog, BUT when she is at home
in HER yard she WILL guard, not just put on a show, she WILL bite and she WILL take you down.

If you are looking for a Neo do your research!! Check the dogs lines, check the neo standard,
they are suppose to be typie they are not suppose to look like Cane Corrso's. That is the breed, if you want a Cane Corso get one, if you want wrinkles then get a Neo.

Good breeders are few and far between, IMO. I am not interested in Corso, never was, always wanted a Neo even before I got into German Mastiffs. However bags of excessive skin and pi$$-poor health that people are passing of as Neos is disgusting! Then the pricing these breeders come up with is an insult to puppy buyers.

Has Alliseaa bitten or " taken down" anyone before? If not how do you know she will bite?

Again my question? Just wondering why you think she will?