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Cody

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Lol, the back flip jump was kinda out of the blue, he wanted a toy that Aurora had.
I will try to ge some vids of him moving and jumping. Is hard right now as outside is pretty much a sheet of ice, and I try to keep the jumping to a minimum to avoid injuries. The last thing I want is a torn ACL from slipping.
 

CaneCorso

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I spent over an hour typing a long and well thought out response, and I forgot to copy it!:mad: It's not worth it to me to type it all back up. Oh well I'll just get the "highlights" of my post that I remember. Cody, do you have something against Amore ? because both times I've mentioned them you have something negative to say about them. Xander is Pennhip certified. The results are on Amore's website! That is why I'd assume he has good hips, not because he jumped on a car. ( I'm still waitnig for the vid of the 140-150lb CC doing the same.) Also when you quote me, please use the whole sentence! You can make anyone sound unintelligent if you take part of their sentence and use it out of context. My last point I'm going to make is Xander has his Schutzhund AD (endurance test). In my last post I listed the rules, but I'm tired of typing! Look up the test and feel free to list all the other CCs that have earned this accomplishment. Sorry for the poorly written post, I've been typing for far too long!
 

kevinmuaythai

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I spent over an hour typing a long and well thought out response, and I forgot to copy it!:mad: It's not worth it to me to type it all back up. Oh well I'll just get the "highlights" of my post that I remember. Cody, do you have something against Amore ? because both times I've mentioned them you have something negative to say about them. Xander is Pennhip certified. The results are on Amore's website! That is why I'd assume he has good hips, not because he jumped on a car. ( I'm still waitnig for the vid of the 140-150lb CC doing the same.) Also when you quote me, please use the whole sentence! You can make anyone sound unintelligent if you take part of their sentence and use it out of context. My last point I'm going to make is Xander has his Schutzhund AD (endurance test). In my last post I listed the rules, but I'm tired of typing! Look up the test and feel free to list all the other CCs that have earned this accomplishment. Sorry for the poorly written post, I've been typing for far too long!

I have a FFL (Federal Firearm License) Which has involved me before in doing business with a Serbian Special Defense group(like US SWAT) Long story short they had a Corso from America 140 lbs trained in french ring, easly jumping 5 foot fences and climbing 7 foot ones. Of course for what hes trained for they didn't film it(wasn't for show), None the less it exists.If you're playing some sort of Show me video or it doesn't exist game, Then this has taken a ridiculous turn. And if you're looking for 150 lb males you should probably know thats not the norm. Most large males are about 140. Though I've seen some good sized dogs from ALCOR.

Also I believe one of About Times dogs has reached Brevet in french ring, Which Is far more advanced then a Corso jumping through a 4 foot window.
really the short of it is a 140 lb male corso is EXTREMELY athletic, however if someones looking for a dog to jump on cars and through windows they would be a better owner to probably get a dog who's lighter and not as much reason to worry about joints etc... IE Malionis
 

grazefull1

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well im not to fon of cc over 140, but like u said there isnt that much out there anyway everyone have there likes n dislikes n ill keep it at that but to say cc 140 cant do a good job working as a 100-120 isnt true and just like not all 140 cc dont have what it take the same goes for 100-120 cc but thats just what it is, really its in the training and in the genes :) (im for 115lbs-130lbs)
 
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joshuagough

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I want a HUGE wrinkly (not overly done) mahogany neo, that will destroy toilet paper rolls on sight =)

Which one of you nice folks are wanting to donate one of those to me for Xmas? Gotta be someone in the crowd, I know!
 

CaneCorso

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I have a FFL (Federal Firearm License) Which has involved me before in doing business with a Serbian Special Defense group(like US SWAT) Long story short they had a Corso from America 140 lbs trained in french ring, easly jumping 5 foot fences and climbing 7 foot ones. Of course for what hes trained for they didn't film it(wasn't for show), None the less it exists.If you're playing some sort of Show me video or it doesn't exist game, Then this has taken a ridiculous turn. And if you're looking for 150 lb males you should probably know thats not the norm. Most large males are about 140. Though I've seen some good sized dogs from ALCOR.

Also I believe one of About Times dogs has reached Brevet in french ring, Which Is far more advanced then a Corso jumping through a 4 foot window.
really the short of it is a 140 lb male corso is EXTREMELY athletic, however if someones looking for a dog to jump on cars and through windows they would be a better owner to probably get a dog who's lighter and not as much reason to worry about joints etc... IE Malionis
Kevin, that's a cool job! How do you feel about the firearms laws for the common man? I heard they can be pretty strict in California? Not playing any kind of "game", I just tend to believe what I see more than what I read ( especially on the internet!) I'm not trying to argue (even if it seems that way). It's just that I have my opinion of what I think an ideal Cane Corso should be. I was questioned about why I had that opinion so I explained. Why so much scrutiny on my opinion? I've seen breeders post puppies for sale that get less questions asked. I don't know why you'd say I'm "if I'm looking for 150lb males that's not the norm." I'm obviously not looking for 150lb males,I think I made it very clear what I'm looking for, and why I want it. And I don't want a dog to jump on cars or through windows, I just find that vid impressive ( not only the jump on the car also the obvious control and drive for work that the dog posseses) . To me much more impressive than the french ring brevet, which requires little to no agillity,The jumps start at Ring 1 if I'm not mistaken. But this is a free country if someone thinks a 140 lb dog is just as agile as a 105 lb dog, that's their right to do so. Just the same, If I choose to believe otherwise that's my right. I just don't understand all the scrutiny. One more thing if I'm not mistaken doesn't the FCI standard call for males to weigh between 45-50kgs? Anyways I'm done with this thread . Like I said some prefer a larger Cane Corso some prefer a lighter Cane Corso, "different strokes for different floks" that' s all.
 

kevinmuaythai

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I only mention the 150 lbs cause you did. You said to find a video of it in your post. Which Is why I mentioned it would be hard to find.

To point out I wasn't attacking you or anything I just believe that all Corsi are athletic, and i've seen 140 lb corsi easily jumping fences and hunting boars. I have seen the FCI standard(I believe its 45-75kg) actually edit: it says 40-45 on 1 site 40-50 on another then 40-75kg! REALLY!?!?...to me it seems a bit off...170 lb corsi! the biggest i've ever seen is 160.

I don't mind the firearm laws. I actually grew up in a heavy republican/hunting family which have cliches to being gun crazy...Even though I grew up the exact opposite and vegan haha I learned to love guns specially high powered long distant rifles/combat rifles, or as they're called in cali Black Rifles (sense assualt and combat) is frowned upon. The only reason I have a hunting license is to own them.

The laws for the most part make sense to me, People really don't need fully automatic 13" barrel assualt rifles unless they need to hide one under their shirt. I have about ten Combat rifles alone, And I've had no problem getting ones I wanted and have them California Compliant , Including a FN FAL! The Handgun laws are stricter. but still. I think if you want one for hunting/protection/recreational. It should be somewhat easy to get what you want.
 
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Cody

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I have nothing against amore, never said I did in any post.
I was responding to your statement in regards to "show breeders" not being able to put working titles on their dogs yet "working kennels" being able to win in the ring. What you said was inaccurate plain and simple. I said MANY working kennels do not health test, no where in that did I say Amore.
What my beef is is the BS in regards to working vs show. It is that attitude that will eventually destroy the breed. A good CCshould be able to perform what ever task it's owners ask of it plain and simple.
The trouble is in order to truly be a working kennel you need at least a generation of titled working dogs and very few have that, very few that call themselves such are actually working and titling their dogs.
 

kevinmuaythai

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The trouble is in order to truly be a working kennel you need at least a generation of titled working dogs and very few have that, very few that call themselves such are actually working and titling their dogs.

How amazing would it be, if there was a breeder with all CH dogs, but not in AKC or ICCF etc...but all working titles!!!That would take a lot of devotion and love! and would blow my mind.
 

CaneCorso

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O.k. Thanks for your responses. I can respect that. Like you said before there is still alot of variation in the breed, and I'm still very new to the breed, and am still learning. I sometimes have a way of thinking what I say is always right even though that may not always the case LOL. That's why I'm glad to have this forum to bounce thoughts off of more experienced people in the breeds, debate a little bit , and hear some unbiased different opinions.
 

Duetsche_Doggen

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There's always going to be a split. Show breeders will breed for what trends in the ring while working breeders will breed dogs with the most drive. For a potential buyer its best to find what suits them. Also working breeders DO care for "correct" structure its just not "show correct." I could care less about titles but one should at least TEST their dogs for BOTH TEMP and HEALTH. Anything else is subjective, like people we all have different tastes.
 

grazefull1

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There's always going to be a split. Show breeders will breed for what trends in the ring while working breeders will breed dogs with the most drive. For a potential buyer its best to find what suits them. Also working breeders DO care for "correct" structure its just not "show correct." I could care less about titles but one should at least TEST their dogs for BOTH TEMP and HEALTH. Anything else is subjective, like people we all have different tastes.

i agree thats y there are breeders out with different ideas on what they think the perfect breed is but keep in mind the ones that really care about the breed will show that in the breed health and temperment and ablity:) a well balnace (height to wieght ratio) of size shouldnt break that of what there going for ( a cc should always b aglie n athlitic ) sorry for the bad spelling lol
 

CaneCorso

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There's always going to be a split. Show breeders will breed for what trends in the ring while working breeders will breed dogs with the most drive. For a potential buyer its best to find what suits them. Also working breeders DO care for "correct" structure its just not "show correct." I could care less about titles but one should at least TEST their dogs for BOTH TEMP and HEALTH. Anything else is subjective, like people we all have different tastes.
that's how I feel aswell.
 

Cody

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There's always going to be a split. Show breeders will breed for what trends in the ring while working breeders will breed dogs with the most drive. For a potential buyer its best to find what suits them. Also working breeders DO care for "correct" structure its just not "show correct." I could care less about titles but one should at least TEST their dogs for BOTH TEMP and HEALTH. Anything else is subjective, like people we all have different tastes.
This is it in a nut shell, the Corso breed standard STILL is based on the correct conformation for a working breed.
It is based on form to function at this point, and I don't want to see that change for the show ring.
In every litter there will be varying degrees of drive, some high some not so much.
Homing these dogs accordingly is what will benefit the breed.
I for one DO NOT want to see the split that has happened in other breeds ie the GSD, I want the CC to remain a working breed, yet still remain a Corso. These should be a large, balanced athletic dog. The should stop you in your tracks and fill one with emotion. I do not want to see a small boxer type dog as some say it is more agile. That maybe true, but so is a whippet, that doesn't make it correct for a Corso. If people want a boxer then they should get a boxer.
I do not want to see sloppy 150-160 lb dogs, but I also don't want to see 100 lb tiny boned male CC. Funny enough my 2, I have a 93 lb female at 24 inches and a 28" 128lb male, the male is FAR more athletic and agile.
 
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Duetsche_Doggen

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"Correct" according to whom? The Show, work, hobby, or byb breeder? The "standard" is just that a "standard" something to go by. If someone needs a standard to tell them what "their" breed of dog is supposed to act/look, they need to get out of the breed IMO. I believe that certain characteristics will hold it as "insert breed here." This is why I think the JR and Border Collie folks got it right. They do recognize their dogs as WORKING breed but they also aren't so concentrated on color, size, weight etc. Same with BK folks, and the Koochi folks. There are many types of the same breed but it is still the same working breed. I don't know much about Corso,but I do personally believe that when people "modernize" breeds, its a trend that's bound to set the dogs up for failure.
 

kevinmuaythai

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"Correct" according to whom? The Show, work, hobby, or byb breeder? The "standard" is just that a "standard" something to go by. If someone needs a standard to tell them what "their" breed of dog is supposed to act/look, they need to get out of the breed IMO.

A standard is not just something to "go by", its the direct result of Breeding True. When two animals produce offspring of the same phenotype exclusively. If you don't recognize the standard of a dog there is no reason for breeds. Without Breeding True (standard) dogs would assentinaly be mutts. No telling how they would look, act, health problems etc....

and once a dog breeds true, it HAS a standard wether it's recognized or not.
 
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CaneCorso

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This is it in a nut shell, the Corso breed standard STILL is based on the correct conformation for a working breed.
It is based on form to function at this point, and I don't want to see that change for the show ring.
In every litter there will be varying degrees of drive, some high some not so much.
Homing these dogs accordingly is what will benefit the breed.
I for one DO NOT want to see the split that has happened in other breeds ie the GSD, I want the CC to remain a working breed, yet still remain a Corso. These should be a large, balanced athletic dog. The should stop you in your tracks and fill one with emotion. I do not want to see a small boxer type dog as some say it is more agile. That maybe true, but so is a whippet, that doesn't make it correct for a Corso. If people want a boxer then they should get a boxer.
I do not want to see sloppy 150-160 lb dogs, but I also don't want to see 100 lb tiny boned male CC. Funny enough my 2, I have a 93 lb female at 24 inches and a 28" 128lb male, the male is FAR more athletic and agile.
LOL, so much for unbiased.:) I wasn't even going to respond, but to me your post is laughable. Couple questions, "they should stop you in your tracks and fill one with emotion." Wouldn't that depend on who's looking at them? When I look at pictures of dogs you've posted when you say the dog is magnifficent and such, I'm not filled with any emotion, when I see these magnifficent show animals trot around a ring that means nothing to me. But have I said anything negative about those dogs? Nah, I just stated my opinion on what I liked. And you've seemed to question it everytime. Why? I just don't understand how me prefering a Cane Corso that is around 110- 130 give or take a few lbs. (like I said before weight is not that important!) Has equaled to that I should get any breed from a Whippet, to a Malinois, and most commonly (from you) a Boxer! Do you think my choice of Corsi resembles a Boxer? Like DD said "correct acording to whom?" But at the end of the day if I'm going to be spending the money on the dog I'm going to look for what is correct for me! a couple more questions, you always talk about the "boexerelli" lines,what lines are those? how far back does the pedigree go back on your Corsi? What breeds do think were in your Corsi's history? Rottweiler? Neo? How are you 100% positive that there were never Boxers far back in one of your dog's lines? And lastly what makes your choice of dog superior to my choice of dog? What breeder did you obtain your dogs from? What were their major accomplishments? Just wondering?




Can anyone tell me their so called CORRECT standard which to judge a Corsi by? The FCI standard seems to have alot of varience.
 
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