Do you think ear crop/tail dock will ever be banned?

[aceoutdoor]

ruthcatrin was this the "humane" society or a private adoption group?

I'm sure DD has seen many threads go astray. LOL

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Even been involved in some jackings too.....

 

[ruthcatrin]

http://www.mastiff-forum.com/member.php/2237-ruthcatrinsmfidler & ruthcatrin was this the "humane" society or a private adoption group?

I'm sure DD has seen many threads go astray. LOL

I tried the local HS, and two private rescues. We were notified that we'd been approved to get Arty (not from a rescue) just as 3rd rescue told us that since all their dogs went out spayed or neutered they didn't care about Apollo's status.

 

[smfidler]

We tried a private, bc we had our hearts set on a mastiff, we waited around 4 yrs and were finally in a roomy one story house and felt we were well prepared. After searching for an em in our area, we couldn't find anything so I decided let's rescue. My husband is a snco and just reinlisted for another 4(12 down so far) so we have job security and the means to take care of them and I'm a sticker for being on time w meds and vet check ups, but that didn't even matter. Maybe it was Gods work bc within the week I found a brand new ad and we got Bentley. We loved him even w the extra bits.

10 days before leaving Hawaii the aspca got in a 3 yr old male, said he was wonderful w kids and small dogs and they told us no bc we were leaving and didn't have time

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I live in a province that doesn't allow docking/cropping and any vet performing will lose their license I have to drive 11 hours into the next province to have it done if I chose to. I hate it! I don't require that every vet does it, but I think that they should have a choice. Just like I should have a choice to do it or not.

 

[Duetsche_Doggen]

Wow 11 hours?? That's crazy, but sadly starting to become the norm since most new vets have no idea and the older ones are retiring.

 

[dpenning]

That is a shame Mary, your dogs are beautiful and the crop makes the look even better IMO. I don't know if I could do it but it is insane that you have to drive to the next province. I hope that never happens here!

 

[CaneCorso]

To me, it should be the owner/breeder's choice if a dog should be cropped/docked. If they don't want to crop/dock, that's ok too. but you should be able to choose. Too many rights are being taken away from us. I say keep as many rights as we can. Otherwise we may end up dis armed of both our guns, and our rights! (LOL, sorry back to cropping/docking) People amaze me to say how cruel it is to dock a dogs tail or crop a dog's ears, but if the procedure is done correctly by a medical professional, durring the right time of developement ( before nerves develop in the tail and before ear cartilige hardens) it is no more "cruel" than getting a baby circumcised.

 

[jersey girl]

it is no more "cruel" than getting a baby circumcised.

Exactly!! Parents who choose circumcision often do so based on religious beliefs, concerns about hygiene, or cultural or social reasons, such as the wish to have their son look like other men in the family. However, the parents still have the CHOICE. Dog owners should be no different...as the owner, we should retain the right to choose a crop or dock by a professional.

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Exactly!! Parents who choose circumcision often do so based on religious beliefs, concerns about hygiene, or cultural or social reasons, such as the wish to have their son look like other men in the family. However, the parents still have the CHOICE. Dog owners should be no different...as the owner, we should retain the right to choose a crop or dock by a professional.

Sigh... another thing that is hard to come by although not completely banned here yet but there is only one hospital in my province that will do circumcisions and it is about 3 hours away, they consider it cosmetic and un-necessary so I expect before long that will go too. I should also note that we can't have dew claws removed either from puppies that are born with them but it is still humane to de-claw a cat??? WTF!!! I don't know who wrote that law but they don't know $hit.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Sigh... another thing that is hard to come by although not completely banned here yet but there is only one hospital in my province that will do circumcisions and it is about 3 hours away, they consider it cosmetic and un-necessary so I expect before long that will go too. I should also note that we can't have dew claws removed either from puppies that are born with them but it is still humane to de-claw a cat??? WTF!!! I don't know who wrote that law but they don't know $hit.

Just out of curiosity do they allow de-barking? And yes, there is a distinct lack of thought that goes into such.....

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

Just out of curiosity do they allow de-barking? And yes, there is a distinct lack of thought that goes into such.....

nope not here in NB but I don't think there is a vet that has done that procedure in this province in years anyway. I think there was one in NS but I am not sure if he still does it or not as they are now not allowed to perform cosmetic procedures either.

It is something we are still fighting but don't know if it will ever get changed.

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

Just out of curiosity do they allow de-barking? And yes, there is a distinct lack of thought that goes into such.....

eh?? there is such a thing as de-barking??

 

[ruthcatrin]

eh?? there is such a thing as de-barking??

They deliberetly damage the dog's vocal cords to prevent it from barking. I honestly can't think of a good reason for it other than owner convience personally. Cropping/docking at least has reason behind it for working dogs......

 

[BlackShadowCaneCorso]

I know people that have had it done, I am on the fence about it. If I don't want to deal with the barking then I get a breed that doesn't bark. Like if I didn't want to crop or dock I get a breed that doesn't require that. In the end it is a decision and if a vet is willing to do it then I would say it would be up to the owner because I believe the moment you start with allowing them to take one right away the rest quickly follow

 

[Mooshi's Mummy]

OMG I never heard of that before. Why on earth would you want a dog at all if you are going to turn around and rip its throat out to keep it quiet? OK rip its throat out is a bit harsh but WHY??? If you don’t want an animal that barks don’t get a friggin dog. Easy enough. As for cropping, personally I am not for it unless it serves a purpose or is required for medical reasons. IMHO a dog is born with a tail and ears for a reason and they serve a purpose as well. However I would NEVER judge anyone who had a different opinion or did crop their dogs, its just not for me. I also think some dogs look pretty awesome cropped.

 

[ruthcatrin]

I know people that have had it done, I am on the fence about it. If I don't want to deal with the barking then I get a breed that doesn't bark. Like if I didn't want to crop or dock I get a breed that doesn't require that. In the end it is a decision and if a vet is willing to do it then I would say it would be up to the owner because I believe the moment you start with allowing them to take one right away the rest quickly follow

Thats my concern, slippery slope and all that. But yah, if you can't handle the dog barking why'd you get the yappy thing in the first place.....

 

[raechiemay]

My aunt adopted a Samoyed that was supposed to be used as a show dog. The breeder didn't like how he turned out so gave him to a family friend who then about 6 months later couldn't keep the dog & asked the vet I was working for at the time if anyone was interested. He was only 3 years old. He was debarked. It's the most awful sound you can ever imagine coming out of a dogs mouth. He continuously barked & barked but instead of the normal bark, it sounded like he had a very sore throat or like he was whispering. IMO, more annoying then just listening to him bark. My aunts neighbor liked to antagonize him 24/7 causing him to bark & run the fence for hours on end. One day my aunt came home & found the dog dead in the yard. From what I heard the neighbor poisoned it while she was gone for the day.

 

[ruthcatrin]

Thats the other thing. People say that de-barking allows people to keep dogs that would otherwise end up in shelters due to the barking, but an awefull lot of them end up in rescues or shelters anyway cause the barking is only a symptom or a side affect.....

 

[raechiemay]

I'll be honest, before I came to this forum I was against ear cropping. But I didn't really mind the whole tail docking thing. I formed an opinion of the people that were constantly calling the vet I worked for asking about ear cropping. I know...I was being judgmental for no reason. Shame on me. But having been here & reading posts & seeing pictures, I've learned that it does enhance the look of certain breeds as well as has some medical benefits. In my quest for knowledge of CCs, I've also decided that when the time comes, I'll have the ear cropping done with my pup. I'm very concerned about finding a vet who will be able to master the "look" & not butcher the dog's ears/head. I've seen some crops that literally look like the vet just cut the entire ear off just leaving a hole on the dogs head.

Having said that I now believe the decision should be left to the owner &/or breeder of the dog. I don't think it should be banned but it seems like it may end up being that way.