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Cafib 35th anniversary show

tojvan

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O.K got a lil more info on that black dog at the CAFIB show.. needless to say, the dog failed but the owner took him all the way through the evaluation process. the dog ended up having no temperament however everyone thought he was such a cool dog that he hung out with everyone... even Zanetti (CAFIB judge) was holding his leash and walking with him. Glad everyone had a good time and no one got butt hurt (happens sometimes).

LOL I would have been butt hurt if that was my dog. Watching him walk into the sunset with a total stranger would have annoyed me to no end. If i wanted a dog like that there are plenty of other breeds.
 

chuckorlando

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Well agree or not agree with blacks, would not show up with any dog with no temp. ahahaha. But the owner had to have some nuts to do so. Or be a fool. ahahah
O.K got a lil more info on that black dog at the CAFIB show.. needless to say, the dog failed but the owner took him all the way through the evaluation process. the dog ended up having no temperament however everyone thought he was such a cool dog that he hung out with everyone... even Zanetti (CAFIB judge) was holding his leash and walking with him. Glad everyone had a good time and no one got butt hurt (happens sometimes).
 

dogman#1

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who knows the dog probably throws a nice display in the house and has never been tested outside of home...I know of a bunch of labs that way.. huge display but it seems that they are just angry cause you wont come in to play, lol.

There are people that show up with their dogs knowing that they will fail but really want the judges opinion on certain aspects like temp or structure... Its CAFIB...dogs fails every show, it isnt a big deal when that happens.
 

dogman#1

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good dog.jpg I wouldnt want the dog either but if the dog was just a pet to begin with and now he is just a cool looking, lover everyone dog then so be it. The guy with the blue shirt is the owner, the guy holding the leash is Fernando Zanetti (CAFIB judge).
 

cinnamon roll

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I understand this is not normal temperament for a fila....that being said how often has anyone seen a fila that has basically a nonexistent fila temperament?

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slim12

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Often. It comes in degrees. I had one that was an absolute nut when someone came to the door but if they actually opened the door he was their best friend. The friendliest dog ever. I have seen numerous without proper temperament. Just like any other breed, when there is a standard or a measuiring stick, a lot will fall short. If there is good or bad, there has to be separation between the two. A dog that falls just short is still more than most will ever need. S
 

aceoutdoor

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There are a bunch of poor temped Filas out there in both types. And if you want a proper temped black Fila, Brazil is the last place to look.
 

dogman#1

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Obviously that isnt proper temperament. I have seen many that have so so temp and quite a few that have NONE. The ones that I have seen with no temp at all were not Filas not because of their lack of proper temp but just not true filas period..Fila in paper only. I have seen some that seem like they have no temp but the owners of those dogs are quick to tell you how their dog USED to show it but they "corrected" it out of them due to their "excellent" training skills.... those dogs seem to be so scared of their owners that it seems like it was beaten out of them. Then you have some that never really had temp and had good nerve but were trained to hit the sleeve like a ton of bricks... saw one of those in a working event once...what an awesome dog he was, scaled every single obstacle w/o missing a beat and hit the decoy like a bull dozer through a brick wall...you could walk right up to the dog and pet it as soon as the decoy left just like any well trained German Shepherd.

Ace, why wouldnt there be any proper temped black filas in Brazil and where would you find proper temped black filas? (honest question as I never heard that before).
 

slim12

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The hardest tempered, most maniacal fila, with no regard for for human life, lock up the women and children, and the men as well...was a black female. She was as calm and lay around as any dog I have ever seen. When we got her as a pup, about 12 weeks, my son was the only would that could touch her. A day or so later it was me, and then after three or four days it was my wife. A good friend's daughter. But that was it. This bitch spewed death to any and all. This is the bitch we set up the 'break in' at my house. She delivered like nothing I had ever seen. She amped up every time the pressure was increased. And again she was black. Her only shortcoming was that once she was amped up there was no release for her, even after the 'attacker' had fled it was an hour or so and she was still 'ready'. Jacked up to no end. This is mentally unhealthy for the dogs. The entire purpose of the tennis ball for the service type dogs. Dogs need a release. Defensive driven dogs like the Fila do not have that, thus even when they have the temperament and it is worked up, and there is no release, eventually there are nerve issues, or lack thereof. Because of this she aged quickly. She was old before her time. She could go from laying on the couch to pshyco in a blink, but would take lots of time to unwind.
My favorite line in these dogs is that black dogs do not have temperament because they are black and there is no such thing as a black Fila. Until I figured out the toll it was taking on her I hauled her to a number of shows. And she was open to the world. Get your money and the decoy will decide who is the hardest biter, the most intense fighter and who would stay the longest. On the internet I had numerous offers/challenges. At the shows and gatherings the deal was off once she did her thing. And she was black. I mean slick as glass, black as onyx, shiny black. Black. If she were still around I could show anyone that a black dog can get it done and does not have to come from Brazil. S
 

slim12

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The 'cutest' story about this bitch. My friend's daughter who she bonded with while I was doing the socialization thing (which turned out to be a bust) was about 4 years old. My Simone was about five-six months old. We were in my friends yard. The two of them rolling on the ground, playing, just having a ball. When my friend spoke this 'crazy' dog went to alert and placed herself between him and his daughter. Not knowing what she would eventually become, this was cute. She was a puppy acting like a grown dog defending what she thought was hers. Cute. Like all little 4 year old country girls the shoes had to come off. My buddy told her to put them on. She ignored him as she was busy with the puppy. He told he again. She ignored him. He walked over, reached down to to get her and her shoes and my Simone bit the shit out of him, and I had to pull her off. That was the first taste of her mindset and she was maybe 6 months old. It intensified with each encounter, each one more severe and longer lasting than the one before. Not being a vet, I believe he intensity over long periods of time just plain made her old at a young age. She lived to be 8, but she was an old dog at 5. S
 

slim12

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I have both ends of the spectrum with Fila temperament. Simone was a brain locked phsycopath when she defended the home/family. My wife's dog on the other had never met anything he could not call a friend. He loved everybody. Not a defensive bone in his body. His door display was awesome but as a puppy we got excited and cheered him on and praised him for his antics. He din't mean anything by it he was looking for the reward for his antics vs. deterring the 'intruder'. S
 

aceoutdoor

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Slim as I've said before your a straight shooter and I appreciate that. If we had more unbiased people with experience here, we could do the breed some good.



Ace, why wouldnt there be any proper temped black filas in Brazil and where would you find proper temped black filas? (honest question as I never heard that before).

I am not saying there are no good black Filas in Brazil, just not many. I would go further and say if you like a CBKC type you have worse odds in Brazil of getting a good dog. There are still good breeders of that type in Brazil like Roberto etc. and even those who breed more mastiffy types. On the contrary if you want a good Cafib type your best bet is in Brazil. Most USA Cafib dogs are crap! I said MOST, not all. If you want a good black Fila stick to North America/Mexico. Its sad Juan you have not seen a good black Fila, or better yet an Alpha black because they are protectors at their best.
 

dogman#1

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See, I never said that I haven't seen or heard of any non CAFIB dogs or even black dogs that have temp... I have. I have seen some non CAFIB dogs that have excellent temp and seen some that have none.. in fact I have never met anyone that has told me that the black dogs dont have temp... The fact still remains that you have better odds getting a Fila with proper temperament off of CAFIB lines than not. I find it sad and a little confusing that the black dogs that are from Brazil would be of a lesser quality than those in the U.S especially since they are from those bloodlines. on the flip side it is retarded to say that the CAFIB dogs in the U.S are crap especially when the breeders here have sold dogs to CAFIB folks who live in Brazil and in Europe... not quite sure where you based that assumption off of.
 

tojvan

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Lol you guys are always at war (dogman#1 and aceoutdoor). I don't mean no disrespect i like you both ace you reached out to me to make sure i was feeding my dog the proper diet and dogman you helped me with the nail trimmings of my dog and i know you'd be more than happy to help me out with anything else i might need advise on. I own a CBKC dog and would love to own a CAFIB Dog, a good dog is a good dog. But will there ever be peace? I do love your guys discussion, IT's an awesome read. I'm just asking out of curiosity.
 

zebraworks

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Tojvan, not likely to happen as people follow different club standards for "fila" when some aspects are disqualifying faults thus incompatible faults if evaluated. I don't suppose this is the first time this has happened in the dog world considering divergence of types of dogs found in different countries. Should Brazil (the home region of the fila) have the greatest deference to defining "fila"?? I think so personally.
 

dogman#1

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tojvan... Me and aceouthouse (see, I even got a pet name for him) have been going at this for a while and I dont dislike the dude although his douchiness is unbearable at times. He is passionate about dogs but he has misguided info as to what a Fila is, other than that there would be no issue with me sitting down with this kid and having a few brews...nothing is ever personal no matter how it looks.

Zebra, I think so too. It seems that one club is having some real issues deciding or making their members decide what a fila is so they make everyone happy and accept them all... like the NY school system... "no child left behind"... no matter how bad you are you are moving up to the next level and disrupt the others that are good.